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    Re: Need SCALE recommendation

    Well, actually I think Radwag scales have a great quality/price ratio. Just think that a standard lab scale (reaching the milligram or .1 milligram range) commonly costs between 1000 and 2000 euros.
  2. Thread: Gcms

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    Re: Gcms

    Pyrazines are an interesting challenge but they have been "defeated" a while ago. As this communication states...
  3. Thread: Gcms

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    Re: Gcms

    Actually, modern GC/MS can detect very low amounts of substances. The common detection limits are much lower than the odor threshold of any known sbustance (ppt versus ppb or higher), which means...
  4. Thread: new supplier?

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    Re: new supplier?

    Ok guys thanks, obviously I know de hekserij and all the others, and I already have my Iso E Super, I just wanted to know your opinion on this, I'm always after new suppliers to obtain lower prices...
  5. Thread: new supplier?

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    Re: new supplier?

    I already have a lot of suppliers, many based in UK and France, and they are basically the ones mentioned in that post. I live in Italy and there are no suppliers here, everything within the EU is...
  6. Thread: new supplier?

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    new supplier?

    Does anyone know this supplier? http://plushfolly.com/shop/
    It sells few things, some natural and some synthetic, but the prices look good. Do you think it's reliable?
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    Re: Cotton/Wool note

    Ahah thanks to everybody! Actually I was looking for something more "commercially" available rather than goat hair tinctures, but I really appreciate your hints, they are very inspiring and they made...
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    Re: Cotton/Wool note

    Your style is always recogniseable david ;)
    This kind of scent is actually hard to define, I just hoped that someone had noticed it somewhen before in his life and that maybe could help me...
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    Re: Cotton/Wool note

    Anyone has a hint?
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    Cotton/Wool note

    Is anyone aware of how a cotton or wool note could be achieved? I mean that feeling you have while breathing close to an old rough cloth. Especially the ones coming from countries like mexico or...
  11. Thread: Staining oils

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    Staining oils

    I set up a mix which resulted quite nice to me but still has some problem. One of them is the colour: I see that both on paper and on skin it leaves an intense brownish stain and I guess I cannot use...
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    Re: Weird Ingredients- help!

    All true, just one thing isn't: mysore sandalwood (santalum album) is actually still in production, it's just becoming very rare and thus its price increases constantly.
    Other varieties like...
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    Re: Help me wrap my head around the math.

    As said in an "N to the power of X" number of threads so far: use weight, not volume, everything is becoming easier.
    And by the way 10% of 100ml is 10ml not 4.
    Cheers

    p.s. try this: take 0.5g of...
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    Re: volatile coffee EO

    does anyone know if this Coffe EO from olfactik is reliable? http://www.olfactik.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=coffe&category_id=0&product_id=377
  15. Re: Powder chemicals - Need help on how to use

    Eheh, don't worry about skulls Oveis, regarding indole just be careful not to spill it around. I accidentally knocked over 2 or 3 mils of a 1% solution on my desk and it's been like living in a pig's...
  16. Re: The Search for Green Tea Givco! Humbly Needing Help

    First line of googl.plex1: "As Christ pointed out" :thumbsup:
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    Re: what keeps my nose from falling asleep?

    The matter is to understand if in these cases the receptors are actually oversaturated or if it's the brain which becomes unable to translate the messages into a smell. If the second is true than the...
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    Re: Where to get perfumers alcohol online

    Maybe you mistook OP's flag with the Italian one, but that's fine because I was about to ask for something available in Italy :D
    thanks
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    Re: what keeps my nose from falling asleep?

    Oh lol, please don't, we're all here just to share our own pieces
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    Re: what keeps my nose from falling asleep?

    Well, actually in that case a number of organic compounds containing sulfur or the "SH" group are emitted (like thiols or organic sulfides), H2S is present in really low concentration, and probably...
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    Re: what keeps my nose from falling asleep?

    In this case, you probably won't smell hydrogen sulfide twice not because of your nose fatigue, but because you would most certainly be dead ;)
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    Re: Self-Made DIY kit - naturals

    Good choices ;) anyway let me understand, are you planning to pay 50$ or so just once every couple of months maybe or is it a weekly budget? Because if the latter is true then you might consider...
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    Re: Self-Made DIY kit - naturals

    I Agree with Alysoun and would add maybe some lemon, oakmoss (see IFRA restrictions if you want to be compliant), cinnamon and patchouli, and you'll have some good tool to start with. Then when you...
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    Re: Medicinal topnote desired

    Speaking of naturals, I feel estragon a bit medicinal too, but it may be my personal impression.
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    Re: Medicinal topnote desired

    Penta has it in stock and they have not minimum orders, but I don't know if they sell to privates.
    Ah, if you get to find it, I definitely suggest you use it in 1% concentration, and store the...
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    Re: Medicinal topnote desired

    As the good scent company suggests you could try derivatives of phenols or cresols, I have m-cresol and I confirm it's pretty medicinal but it actually feels a lot like civet and leather so you might...
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    Re: 70% Ethyl Alcohol as a Perfume Base?

    That one is denatured alcohol, which has not been specifically denatured for perfumery so you don't know if the amount of denaturants in it may alter the scent. Anyway as David said, probably it's...
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    Re: Alchemist's Dream?

    Isopropyl alcohol is very good as well (i mentioned it as isopropanol, obviously it's exactly the same), but mind that acetone too is totally miscible with water so it could fit perfectly with your...
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    Re: Alchemist's Dream?

    Well nail polish remover could do the job but I strongly advice you to get some simple acetone (I think you can easily find it in hardware stores or any place where they sell paints and stuff like...
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    Re: Oud oil from hermitage.

    I bought from them and I was satisfied. Hermitage is a well known and trusted supplier among Basenotes DIYers. I think Adam, the owner, is a member of the forum too, maybe he could answer about his...
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    Re: Alchemist's Dream?

    I don't know the US law about this kind of waste, but generally you should consider it as "dangerous waste" not because they are actually dangerous but because that is the denomination for "general...
  32. Thread: Additives

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    Re: Additives

    I guess Octylacrylamide is used to make perfumes somehow "waterproof" i.e. they resist longer when you take a shower.
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    OK, so it looks like the Netherlands are quite a good place to start a perfumery business, now I understand why my compatriot Alessandro Gualtieri (aka Nasomatto) based his business in Amsterdam ;)
  34. Thread: Additives

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    Re: Additives

    Jan, on this purpose, do you know what's the most common concentration of BHT or tocopherol in perfumes?
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    Janmeut, you talk about this huge 62% which is not EU compliant in NL, but can you tell what would be the punishment estabilished by european law for non compliant companies? Is it just very unlikely...
  36. Re: Constructing a note using the terp profile of a natural sample?

    David, mind that "science" is going to use HPLC/MS, not GC/MS. This means better separation of components and probably lower rilevability limits (i.e. it detects substances in lower concentration)....
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    The sticky is only about IFRA, not EU regulations, your eyes are not guilty.
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    Re: Onion and/or garlic

    For the record, the reason why we feel so heavily the odour of these sulfur containing molecules is that our nose evolution brought it to be able to detect very tiny amounts of hydrogen sulfide, a...
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    janmeut, theorethically you are absolutely right and I do agree with your considerations, but practically there must be some reason why ANYONE who sells perfumes, and does it seriously, is very...
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    Re: Onion and/or garlic

    Gosh I wasn't aware of this new fashiong coming up. I guess I'll wait for it to pass before trying something with onions ;)
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    ION the fact is that IFRA standards are valid for EU too, so even though EU itself permits oakmoss, you cannot use it more than 0.1 % if you want to be IFRA compliant
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    Re: Onion and/or garlic

    From Wikipedia: Asafoetida's English and scientific name is derived from the Persian word for resin (asa) and Latin foetida, which refers to its strong sulfurous odour.
    ;)
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    That's a part of the issue but on their website you can find this:

    "If a banned substance is detected then the potential non-compliant fragrance supplier shall be contacted through the designated...
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    Technically it's true, there are several opinions on wether one should follow or not IFRA standards. The fact is that if you don't, IFRA is going to do everthing to prevent you from keeping on with...
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    Onion and/or garlic

    Is there any common perfumery ingredient used to reproduce an onion or garlic note? I now that sulfides and generally "thio" compounds are the main chemical components of these products smell but can...
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    Thank you Larimar, this clears everything. Anyway the next IFRA restrictions review for oakmoss is scheduled on 2013 so let's stay tuned.
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    Thank you Larimar, this clears everything. Anyway the next IFRA restrictions review for oakmoss is scheduled on 2013 so let's stay tuned.
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    Re: Oakmoss restrictions as per 2013?

    Guys please, wait before drawing fast conclusions, first of all Larimar is talking about EU regulations, not IFRA. Then, the news is not confirmed yet and we have no reliable references to ground our...
  49. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    Hekserij changed URL, update your bookmarks! http://www.hexapus.nl/en/main.htm
  50. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    Yes that's clear, I meant just single molecules.
    Thanks Chris
  51. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    Oh great, so if I find on the good scents company a chemical which I'd like to use and it's not in the IFRA list, I can still use it, right?
  52. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    Now that we are up again, anyone has infos about my question?
  53. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    There's something I don't completely get about IFRA rules: I saw in their site the list of ingredients that they officially state are used in fragrance industry. Well, I understand that any...
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    Re: New Scale advice, please!

    I found this on italian ebay http://www.ebay.it/itm/Bilancia-di-precisione-200-grammi-laurea-0-001-g-/251104578675?pt=Artigianato_ed_Industria&hash=item3a76ffcc73
    the shop is german so don't worry...
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    Re: Rice Infused Alcohol

    Gosh, Versailles, I feel like you are taking all this too seriously man :thumbsup: and don't misunderstand me, I agree with most of the things you say, but you look like you have a lot of repressed...
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    Re: Rice Infused Alcohol

    Well generally I agree with these considerations, but it seems to me that in this case they are just selling a rice tincture, to use as a fixative and they don't seem to be offering any strange...
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    Re: Rice Infused Alcohol

    The link was badly reported, here it is http://www.providenceperfume.com/collections/perfumery-materials/products/basmati-rice-infused-perfumers-alcohol
  58. Thread: Wow

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    Re: Wow

    Calling ambergris "whale vomit" sounds somewhat heretical
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    Re: Cheaper jasmine EO - where to find it?

    This is interesting Chris, are they stating that the EOs they offer, even jasmine, are produced only by steam distillation?
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    Re: New here, been experimenting.

    I invite you to read the primer on how to make perfume, on the main DIY page. If you want to make an actual perfume you should use essential oils and aromachemicals, not directly the plant raw...
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    Re: Cheaper jasmine EO - where to find it?

    It's true that Jasmine cannot be extracted by steam distillation, but many people call the absolute "essential oil" anyway, since it's pretty much pourable. So it's not obvious that if a reseller...
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    Re: Alcohol safety

    Oh gosh I didn't want to create panic!
    @chris you're right, I just wanted to precise what Tauer was saying in his blog post, from a scientific point of view. Actually I hoped that saying "your...
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    Re: Alcohol safety

    I agree that your quantities are not quite risky, Tauer deals with several liters of ethanol and other flammable liquids so he definitely needs to take precautions.
    But actually, what he talks...
  64. Re: Best place for resealable 5-10ml glass atomizers

    Together with aromachemicals, Hekserij sells 2 and 30ml atomisers. Check it out here http://www.hekserij.nl/en/International%20pricelist%20Hekserij.pdf
  65. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    Chris always has a solution ;)
    Anyway, check the good scent company and make your calculations, but be aware that you can find slightly different essential oils depending on the supplier. Just to...
  66. Re: Coupling Essential Oils and Natural Ingrediants

    The common ingredients for a true perfume are essential oils (+ similars like CO2 extracts), absolutes, aromachemicals and ethanol. You really shouldn't add anything else, especially plant material,...
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    Re: Heliotropin Replacer

    They state it's a "Trade Secret" that means it must be a mixture of known chemicals as you said, because if it was a new one they would just patent it and declare the molecular structure, being...
  68. Thread: Milk Accord

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    Re: Milk Accord

    Even the so called aldehyde C-14 or better "gamma-undecalactone" could help.
  69. Thread: Shelf lives

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    Re: Shelf lives

    There are miles of lines in every perfume forum in the world about this I think. What I keep repeating is: the molecules are exactly the same, not meaning they are like two similar brothers but they...
  70. Thread: Shelf lives

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    Re: Shelf lives

    Some indication about EOs shelf lives here http://www.aromaticsinternational.com/shelf_life
  71. Thread: Legal issues

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    Re: Legal issues

    Ok, thanks everybody. Stay tuned :wink:
  72. Thread: Legal issues

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    Legal issues

    Let's "hypothesize" that I had access to a GC-MS and had the possibility to analyze some perfume once in a while. Would it be illegal if I posted the results here whitout mentioning the name? Just...
  73. Re: New UK company, Olfactik, set up to supply the independent perfumer [ships worldwide]

    It looks nice and prices are interesting.
    I just wonder what acually is going on with UK resellers (who seem to be among the most active for DIY in Europe) since I just received a very angry...
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    Re: Working with labdanum resin

    If it can help, I dealt with Labdanum absolute dilution recently and I can tell it actually is soluble in 95% ethanol (I bought the absolute from Aroma-zone). The main issue is that it's really hard...
  75. Thread: Melon Essence

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    Re: Melon Essence

    I admit I had to check who Heath Robinson was to understand this :D anyway, yes it's WAY more fun to do it yourself!
  76. Thread: Melon Essence

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    Re: Melon Essence

    Ahah, you were right ;)
    By the way, it's maybe possible but it could be really hard and actually not exactly cheap (cheaper than the brand new one though :D )
  77. Thread: Melon Essence

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    Re: Melon Essence

    This one could be done somehow modifiyng a common microwave oven.
    An idea is gaining shape in my head :huh:
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    Re: Overwhelmed by the process and wondering...

    My first answer would be "no". But then you can think about Andy Tauer's pentachord series and it can turn into a "maybe, but you need to be Andy Tauer, or something like that"
  79. Re: Are there any good books that discuss which oils go together well?

    I think Mandy Aftel's "Essence and Alchemy" is a good start and it contains the infos you are looking for about compatibility of essential oils. By the way It's certainly uncomplete since she is a...
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    Re: Clarity Needed

    Yes actually it can be read that way as well :shocked:.
    But I thought this sentence:

    could only mean "having 10 oils each in a 2% concentration and getting a 20% perfume". Am I wrong fowlness?...
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    Re: Clarity Needed

    I think first of all there's one big issue to treat: if you put togheter ten oils with 2% dilution, each in equal quanty, you are not gonna get a 20% overall perfume but still a 2% one. I think that...
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    Re: IFRA Publish a fragrance formula

    Interesting, though I don't get the meaning of this action because I think that whith or without protection if a brand does want to keep the secret it can do it easily, since I believe even the most...
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    Re: So, first concoction..FAIL! Lol!

    I think the main advice anyway should be: what you need to know above all is that perfumes are made out of alcohol, essential oils, and some aroma chemical. Definitely NOT raw plants thrown in...
  84. Re: I need help diluting mimosa absolute in ethanol!!

    Your purpose is to dilute it in ethanol right? From your question I don't get if you already added it. If you didn't, do it and it will help dissolving the absolute.
  85. Re: What sort of training do parfumeurs undertake to ply their craft?

    ISIPCA is the main one but imho is way too expensive, and I believe there's some industry interest involved in keeping it that way. You can learn by yourself what you need, but you must study a lot,...
  86. Re: What is the Nitrile used in Secretions Magnifiques?

    sry double
  87. Re: What is the Nitrile used in Secretions Magnifiques?

    Yes it is, the CAS is 3288-99-1
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    Re: Cost Effective?

    Oh Lord, this thread cheered me up in a bad day :grin:
    I'm lucky because human stupidity makes me laugh and world is full of stupid people! This "bearcat" guy is definitely one of them, and the...
  89. Re: Article: Nothing from Nasomatto - but they'll be back! | Esxence News

    double
  90. Re: Article: Nothing from Nasomatto - but they'll be back! | Esxence News

    Of course it did. Esxence is very expensive, just think that Andy Tauer decided not to participate because of the cost, and surely he has a fair income with his business.
  91. Re: Article: Nothing from Nasomatto - but they'll be back! | Esxence News

    I can't help but quote you. I was there and I thought only "what a stupid guy, wasting money just to say he's cooler than other normal brands". He thinks he's God but he's just another idiot dandy...
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    Re: high notes for ladies perfume

    Pepper has a shocking effect on me when put on top of some pleasant composition. But it must be not too intense or I get a really bad headhache :undecided:
    In alternative you can try some herbal...
  93. Thread: Perfume Organ

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    Re: Perfume Organ

    That's awesome! Is it a side-arm flask the one I see up there? Do you use it for vacuum filtration?
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    Ahah I understand, I'm planning to make my own...

    Ahah I understand, I'm planning to make my own liquor too;)
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    Ahah, is it illegal to distill alcoholic...

    Ahah, is it illegal to distill alcoholic beverages in the UK? Here it is not but I just use it to extract EOs. I think that if you had the same purpose you shouldn't have problems, am I wrong?
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    Re: Tonka bean question

    Yes, that would be me ;)
    the result of my hard work can be seen here http://www.basenotes.net/threads/281971-Honey-Absolute?p=2336796&viewfull=1#post2336796
    If someone has questions just ask.
    Oh,...
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    Re: The smell of bread?

    Let us know if he does!
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    Re: The smell of bread?

    That's very interesting! Do you think Adam could give you a GC-MS of the extract?
  99. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    I quote Chirs entirely, nothing to add.



    If you do, you have my support ;)
  100. Sticky: Re: IFRA Standards - a summary

    You made a good choice of course, it's always better to preserve your business, especially in this tough period.
    What bothers me is that, as I can understand, a perfumer wouldn't do anything illegal...
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