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  1. Re: March 2017 smelly game - transparent, light, summer, daywear perfume

    Sounds like fun Mumsy, thank you,.
    Sign me up.
  2. Re: Predict molecules’ scent from their structures

    My opinion is, and I am not a chemist or a doctor, is that Mr. Turin's vibrational theory is more likely than the molecular shape theory. Frequency plays a part in hearing and sight.
    Do "we" know...
  3. Predict molecules’ scent from their structures

    Interesting research article in the ever elusive scent prediction.


    "In vision and hearing, the wavelength of light and frequency of sound are highly predictive of color and tone. In contrast, it...
  4. Re: Are There Any Canadian Independent/DIY Fragrance Designers Here?

    Please private message me. I would like to learn more about your project.


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  5. Re: Mandy Aftel's “Essence and Alchemy- A Natural History Of Perfume”

    This seems to contradict your opinion. http://www.fragrantica.com/designers/Roja-Dove.html

    What is your source? Thanks
  6. Re: Rose Deluxe: Best Rose Base Ever (Rose de Mai for the Masses)

    Thank you Jamie for sharing your work and your knowledge. I really appreciate your dedication and caring.


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    Re: Labdanum , Cistus ....are they the same???

    You're welcome.
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    Re: Labdanum , Cistus ....are they the same???

    Resinoid is an alcohol extraction from the gum.
    Absolute is the result of alcohol treatment of Labdanum Concrete

    I have created a diagram. Please go to this link for the complete picture. CISTUS...
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    Re: Newbie- Help with Tobacco Accord

    Spanish Cedar is not a cedar.
    Cedrela odorata is a member of the Mahogany family (Meliaceae), a deciduous tree from Central- and South America.
    Cedrela is the source of wood used for making...
  10. Re: Schiff's Base (=*Immine)*Formation in Perfumes — Kinetics

    Thank you for this. I found it very interesting and it does support the recognised accepted time for maturation.
  11. Re: A newbies humble request for some advice/answers relating to making a bay rum fragrance

    Well this sounds like a fun project and I have a couple of thoughts about it if you are interested.

    Aside from the aroma which I will get to in a minute, the ethanol used in aftershave "splashes"...
  12. A newbies humble request for some advice/answers relating to making a bay rum fragrance

    Hi Mark, my name is Julian. why do you want a Bay Rum aftershave? Is it for the smell (like a cologne) or has it something to do with shaving?


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    Re: Perfume Strips (Home made holder)

    good idea. thanks for sharing.
    .... the OCD in me really want all those colours to be in order. There is NO WAY I could have randomised like you did. LOL
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    Re: Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    OK, yes this is what I have used in France. Beautiful. Thank you. Now I must look at the GCMS.
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    Re: Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    Thank you Paul for your recommendation. Of course I have used the obvious searches, but was really looking for recommendations. Have you actually purchased any essential oil. How many actual perfumer...
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    Re: Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    Thank you Godmu , have you ever purchased any? the price on this is CONSIDERABLY cheaper than the mastihasshop.com.
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    Re: Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    Thank you, have you purchased from them? 48 euro for 5ml is considerably more that the 9euro for 5ml from the supplier suggested by Godmu. I will search for the information you have put into...
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    Re: Labdanum , Cistus ....are they the same???

    Cistus and Labdanum are not the same, although they do come from the same plant.

    I thought you might find this interesting and useful. The Cistus/Labdanum materials can be very confusing.

    Here...
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    Re: Glycolierral aka Ivy dioxolane

    From Perfumery:Techniques in Evolution-Arcadi Boix Camps
    "Maceol glyceryl acetal, commercially called Glycolierral, is a green, floral, fresh product that makes good blends with Acetal CD and...
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    Re: online searches and excel

    Well this is fun...and handy, LOL
    Here is one for Creating Perfume and Perfumers Supply House.

    =HYPERLINK("http://perfumersupplyhouse.com/?s="&A1, "Perfumers Supply House")

    ...
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    Re: online searches and excel

    Interesting, when the formula is pasted into the cell, it just doesn't register as a hyperlink.

    I wish I had this a while ago. it would have saved me time. Excel is always a learning curve......
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    Re: online searches and excel

    I must be doing something wrong. the formula for excel doesn't work.
    However: the hyperlink works fine in excel. Thanks

    Any label can be added:...
  23. Re: Determining Relative Volatility of Materials

    Yes, I thought 3.1 was a really interesting way of scaling. The results would be very clear.
  24. Re: Determining Relative Volatility of Materials

    Of course, thank you for the brilliant idea.
    Maybe even build the scale: http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/mathematics/microgram_balance/balance.html
    LOL
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    Re: 5 liter beaker advice, please

    I assume that the issue is that using something that large is difficult to move or lift. What about using that glass 5L for mixing and then transfer the juice into 1L containers for transport.
    I am...
  26. Determining Relative Volatility of Materials

    I found this interesting. I had not considered alternate ways of testing Evaporation/Volatility

    From Perfumers and Flavorist 1977
    A couple of methods in determining the volatility of your...
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    Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    Thank you. I meant the leaf essential oil. You have a supplier?


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    Re: Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    Thank you for the ideas. Much appreciated. Is one of your essential oils from hermitage?


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    Lentisque (Mastic) essential oil

    I am looking for a supply of quality Lentisque (Pistacia lentiscus) essential oil.
    Can anyone recommend a supplier they have actually received this material from?
  30. Re: PONK module 6 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    I just was searching for PONK and came across this on the URBAN dictionary. No point really... just made me smile and I thought I would share.
    Ponk. A Jewish/Brooklyn/New York slang for Marijuana...
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    Re: Recommendation needed: filters

    I always thought that Alex's video was very fun and speaks of the bentonite use, etc.

    Boris on filtering and fining
  32. Re: PONK module 5 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    A very fun PONK. Thanks Mumsy.

    Vial #1 : Clear : Laundry! LOL, Fresh, Clean, Pine, Strong! Fruity? Reminds me immediately of the opening of a specific fragrance.
    Vial #2 : Clear : Fresh, clean,...
  33. Thread: Osmanthus!

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    Re: Osmanthus!

    Thanks for that, I am going to give it try.
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    Re: Evolution of Muguet Accords

    Yes, that rhodinol note was in the original as well. I wonder why.


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  35. Thread: Osmanthus!

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    Re: Osmanthus!

    I believe an Osmanthus may require:


    Geraniol
    b-ionone
    Linalool
    Dihydro-beta-ionone
    Geranylacetone
    cis-3-Hexenol
    (E)-2-Hexen-1-ol
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    Re: Evolution of Muguet Accords

    OK, I have added some notes to clear up confusion. Believe it or not there are many (non OCR) mistakes in the original and I assume that "Copaira Oil" is Copaiba Oil. Also yes, the 1980 line actually...
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    Evolution of Muguet Accords

    Evolution of Muguet Accords:
  38. Re: Spoiler alert - Ponk club Module 4 - reveal here, so don't look or mention it elsewhere

    Excellent idea David. Out comes the Clary Sage and Lavender for me.
  39. Re: Spoiler alert - Ponk club Module 4 - reveal here, so don't look or mention it elsewhere

    Excellent grouping!
    I had never smelled Aphermate, and thought it very close to Geosmin. A handful of rich moist earth. beautiful.
    Also the Massoia lactone was new to me... but hard to miss the...
  40. Re: PONK module 4 - odour descriptions here (spoiler alert past post 1)

    Whoops, post moved. Sorry.
  41. Re: I need some Japanese translation help for some technical Perfumery GC analyses

    oh... go ahead Paul.... clog away...
    :o) we would all love to see the GC
    no?
    LOL
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    Re: A Base or an Accord?

    Ok. Thank you.


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    Re: A Base or an Accord?

    Excellent. Thank you for that clarification David, very helpful. One can have an Orange Blossom Accord and Base, the first being a simpler version.
    In Grasse we worked on floral mixtures, that...
  44. Re: Body Spray using 5% Fragrance Oils and Ethanol

    Great idea, you will enjoy working with essential oils.
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    Coppertone Suntan Lotion

    Cinnamates are UVB blockers and Benzyl Cinnamate along with Benzyl salicylate was used in the earliest sunscreens. No longer used. Salicylates were/are used for their UV filter properties. They were...
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    Re: Edmond Roudnitska on learning perfumery

    I hadn't read the 1984 P&F article. Thank you I.D.Adam, very kind of you to post that.
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    A Base or an Accord?

    What the difference between a Base and an Accord? I am enjoying reading Tony Curtis's book Introduction to Perfumery and he calls them a Base, and the composition is nearly identical to what I know...
  48. Re: Body Spray using 5% Fragrance Oils and Ethanol

    There is a good chance your fragrant oils are actual oil, and not essential oil, which is totally different. One of the differences is that essential oils dissolve in alcohol, fragrant oil generally...
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    Re: Vetiver fragrance

    I do not have this material.
    My instinct would be to try labdanum or oak moss to "calm" the top note. Just a suggestion, and I am curious what effect they have.
  50. Re: Need some advice on this qualification! Thoughts?

    There is a relevant article this month in Perfumer and Flavorist you should read: The Juice, written by Pia Long
    I support David's and I.D. Adam's suggestions. Go talk to someone actually working in...
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    Is clove ever used WITHOUT cinammon ?

    Wow Paul. Why so harsh? It is really off-putting to visit our forum and read this type of condescending arrogance. What am I missing here, you are often very helpful?

    EDIT: I was unaware of the...
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    Re: Vintage men's colognes idea?!

    Jamie, Christopher stopped shipping internationally quite a while ago. How do you manage his shipments? Are you using a intermediary shipping service?




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    Re: Vintage men's colognes idea?!

    Laudanum is a tincture of opium. I assume you are referring to Labdanum?


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    Re: Ivy leaf & blackcurrant leaf aroma chemicals

    Just had another smell of it. To my nose there is a strong Methyl Octine Carbonate component to this base which is of the violet green family, so makes perfect sense.
    (I believe Methyl Octine...
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    Re: Suggestions for my first blend

    Hello,my opinion is that no matter what material you are using you need to understand the material, and how it works with other material. Smelling on the strip, combining scent strips to understand...
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    Re: Ivy leaf & blackcurrant leaf aroma chemicals

    Creating Perfume carries the Symrise Ivy Base. I have it and it is quite lovely. Green, sparkling.
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    What a fun idea. Thank you Xii.
    I am going to try this out on my family, we love board games. Brilliant!
    This reminds me of the game on display at the Musée de la Parfumerie de Grasse.
    A...
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    Re: Monsieur Musk ???

    $100 Perfumers Apprentice https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7358-fragrance-analysis-by-gcms.aspx


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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    I normally smell my own clothes or skin to reset mon nez. Coffee is simply another smell for your nose to deal with.


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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    Interesting idea. Keep it simple, focus on one fragrance type. Seems pretty straight ahead, but I will take you up your offer and PM you for any further details from your actual experience . Thanks!
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    The idea of providing a base seems to be a common thread. Giving a bit of a head start to the process.
    I am thinking perhaps providing accords, so not necessarily dealing with individual eo/ac.
    ...
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    Agreed, presentation aesthetics are very important. The idea of a guessing game, very fun! Thanks
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    What a fantastic idea. Thank you!
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    Re: Perfume Making Course

    Hi Chad,
    I have attended Grasse Institute for Perfumery fragrance creation summer schools in 2013 and 2016, so I can speak to that experience. "not too expensive" is a relative term so not sure of...
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    Re: An unusual fragrance note: Theaspirane

    Pell Wall offers it and Chris includes a good 1985 quote from Arcadi Boix Camps in the description. Interesting material.
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    Gender neutral is a gathering that is not identified female or male. IS that not obvious?
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    Thank you, we forget when we are submersed in this all the time, that some of what we know is quite interesting to others and sharing what we love is important. A great recommendation!
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    Re: Fragrance workshop/party

    Interesting idea starting with prepared perfumes types. Thank you.


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    Fragrance workshop/party

    I have been asked to lead a fragrance workshop/party for 10-20 people;a gender neutral gathering, perhaps couples.
    This is not "professional" workshop, but a fun gathering to learn a little bit...
  70. Re: Musks and Animalic elements profiles document

    Very kind. Thank you , I will enjoy reading.


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    Re: Perfume Dreams

    LOL, well it made perfect sense to me in the dream... and it makes sense when you confirm it. Good luck in your creativity.
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    Re: The smell of copaiba balsam

    I smell wood, laquerish, balsam, fruity, somewhat sweet, like old banana, like opening up an old desk. Your supplier?
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    Re: Your favorite suppliers of naturals

    Hello Canadian friend. :)
    I can recommend Eden Botanicals and Mountain Rose for EO, absolutes, etc.
    Christine at Perfumer Supply House (USA), Bill at Good Scents Company(USA and home of his...
  74. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    Acording to Wiki:
    Absorption of substances through the skin depends on a number of factors:


    Concentration
    Molecular Weight of the molecule
    Duration of contact
    Solubility of medication
    ...
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    Re: About Smelling Strips...

    What a great idea!
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    Laboratory Air Filtration

    I remember a discussion a while back about how to keep the air fresh in the "Lab" area. I came across this Halo Smart in today's Perfume and Flavourist newsletter and thought I would pass it on. I...
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    Perfume Dreams

    OK... so last night I found myself dreaming about having an intense discussion with Bertrand Duchaufour about the finer aspects of perfume composition. Hilarious... and I don't think he understood my...
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Bravo Renegade! I wish I could smell all the submissions, and
    it sounds like you had great success. Well done.
  79. Re: Healing and using oils - serious discussion only

    Fascinating discussion, I am learning a lot. Thanks for all the passion and the questioning. What a world-wide variety of opinions, expertise and experience on this forum. Please don't stop sharing,...
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    Re: Degrees of Naturalness

    Oxford Dictionary:
    Natural: Existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind.

    The word describes a distinction between humans, and everything else in our world. If a human has...
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    Re: Right/Left Nostril

    An article today in P&F: http://www.perfumerflavorist.com/fragrance/research/Monell-Awarded-Grant-to-Evaluate-Role-of-Nasal-Airflow-Obstruction-in-Smell-Loss-289611411.html



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    Re: Is cade top, heart or base note?

    Yes that is the correct alcohol, I have been buying it for years from SaffireBlue. It is also much cheaper than EVERCLEAR from the liquor stores.
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    I am really glad you made it and that you enjoy it. We had a lovely time this year in at Grasse Institute of Perfumery exploring Amber accords.

    I agree, I only have the one.
    There is of course...
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    I have not Renegade. I think I may have a sample.... now you have me thinking... thanks!

    I see that Pell Wall carries it.
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Sorry Renegade, it is "Absolute" from the Solvent Extraction (with ethanol I believe) of the Benzoin Resin. Not steam distillation.
    I should have been clearer,
    Similar to this:...
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    I should have noted, thanks for asking.
    Peru Balsam (Myroxylon pereira) is Essential Oil
    Benzoin Siam (Styrax tonkinensis) is Essential Oil
    and
    Styrax (Liquidambar styraciflua) is also EO
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    That is really kind of you mjfinucane. I too have a spreadsheet problem and so appreciate your work. :wink:
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    You are welcome use my amber accord formula as a teaching tool in your class.
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Lol, so overall "odd".
    Good you picked up on the Geosmin, I was hoping it would be there. It does show how VERY little of that goes a LONG way, as it is the material with the smallest amount........
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    Re: What does everyone's laboratories look like?

    Here is a link to a similar conversation.
  91. Re: Chandler Burr interviews what makes Conglomerates buy niche fragrance companies

    Thanks for the link. It is hard to imagine, in this age of technology that anyone would produce something with such unfortunate sound and video. I perhaps would watch more but had to shut it off...
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Paul, should we be expecting any further comments from you on the remaining submitted fragrances?
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    Re: What does everyone's laboratories look like?

    lweser This looks great! A very nice workable layout.
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    Re: Completely lost about diluting.

    Ok, ask a specific question and I will try to help.
    Also here is another link that will take you to Chris's blog at Pell Wall Perfumes. He is VERY good at explaining.
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Thank you Christine:),
    I am assuming that the spicy note on top that both you and David identified is the Methyl Cinnamate from the Eucalyptus olida essential oil.
    I am very pleased with my Amber...
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    Re: Completely lost about diluting.

    Hello Megaromania
    Welcome. Please read this "sticky" entry at the top of the DIY forum. It will answer an amazing number of questions.

    Many student perfumers dilute their material.
    I assume...
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    Re: Right/Left Nostril

    Thanks for your thoughts on this. It would seem the common thought is that this right/left dichotomy is not predictable.
    However the observation on Nasal Cycling makes sense to me:
    "Some smells...
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    Re: The Even More Ultimate Amber Game #2

    Thanks David. Less is more... repeat until learned. I agree. too complex. I liked my Amber accord.... back to the lab.
    Congratulations to everyone for getting your work in... I figure that in...
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    Right/Left Nostril

    Ok, here is something I happened upon while reading an article about Sandalwood on Jeanne Rose Aromatherapy Blog.

    The right nostril processes navigational related odors. And people favor the...
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    Review: Auram Tonkin 4768-6/D

    Fantastic news Christine. Thank you
    And thanks Jamie for bringing this forward.

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