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    Re: Advice for citrus

    They made a candle fragrance awhile back that was purportedly lemongrass + basil (in part) -- could be lemongrass that you're seeking?
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    Re: Chemical Analysis of Santal 33?

    LOL ! One thing I must add: As disappointing as the opening of my Santal33 was -- flat, buggy, too menthol-ish (I had sprayed some on my wrist so I could smell it before replying to you -- hadn't...
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    Re: Chemical Analysis of Santal 33?

    Not great! :embarassed: The once crisp, hot, sparkly, interesting fragrance is now a Santal 33 bug spray; not completely awful but an amaturish attempt at best. My Rose 31 has not fared well...
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    Re: Indole vs Skatole vs Indole and Skatole

    I'm wondering if a bio-enzymatic pet odor removal spray like Natures Miracle would work -- spray and then rinse off fairly quickly because the label doesn't recommend prolonged skin contact. Or...
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Parchem also sells it -- perfume grade. Since they are in NY and within reasonable driving distance from me, I think I'll go there and see if I can't charm them into giving me a sample.
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    I struck out with them -- apparently they will only sell to universities and known research labs; QC issue as you mentioned = not for smelling etc.
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Totally makes sense.

    After a search: so far it looks like this material (fruity green minty aldehydic woody) is going to be difficult if not impossible for me to source.
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Good to know the Alpha Damascones from different suppliers will be very close in profile.

    A sulpher note wasn't something I was particularly looking for -- but a sulpher note in trace amount...
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Thank you for the reply George. My end goal is a recreation of Lauren -- the 70's original version. I have a bottle which won't last forever, so I'm doing my best -- many trials, now getting close...
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Sunrose Aromatics in the US has a version (way less expensive & faster shipping option than ND, AU) -- but I've no idea of the quality; never ordered from them before and perhaps not right ??? given...
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Doing a search now on TGSC-- the one from Firmeniche sounds great. Where to source.....hmmm....very elusive EO.
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    Re: Alpha Damascone ?

    Good call ! I hadn't thought of that. Buchu Mercaptan sounds even more perfect for the effect I'm looking for. Thank you for the suggestion.
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    Alpha Damascone ?

    Can anyone tell me which Alpha Damascone -- the one from CP or PA or PSH -- is the closest in odor profile to the Firmenich product? Particularly the blackcurrant + mint aspects.
  14. Re: Self taught perfumers: What was your ‘ah ha’ moment?

    :) :) to all ^^^^.
  15. Self taught perfumers: What was your ‘ah ha’ moment?

    In other words, what was the specific thing (or things) you did — something you either learned on your own or through help from others — that gave you great enlightenment in making perfume, and as a...
  16. Re: Essential oils, dilution and safety for pure perfume.

    After you get your scale: first become familiar with how it works -- especially the Tare function which puts the weight back to zero.

    This is how I do things -- in grams:

    Step 1: Weigh...
  17. Re: Newbie questions about DIY perfume and fragrance oil

    I think that learning to make perfume and then actually making it is very much like learning to play chess and then actually playing it. Perfuming and chess are alike in so many ways = the best...
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    Re: Can I add glitter in the perfume?

    Yes. Finely ground mica as Paul said = cosmetic grade silica (used in shimmery metallic eye shadows for example) and it will spray. There is actually a perfume on the market that contains shimmer or...
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    Re: descriptions of some new fragrance chemicals

    A question to consider: For whom are you writing these descriptions?

    I ask this because your descriptions — which IMO are elaborate chaos (not a criticism) + incorporate very personal...
  20. Re: Musks used in fragrances like Stetson, Jovan Musk, etc

    Yes -- Galaxolide. When I first used it in a blend (total newbie; no idea what to expect) I was transported back to the 70's, and Jovan Musk immediately came to mind. It was worn by almost every guy...
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    Re: Contract services in US

    I say this in kind -- not being snarky at all :smiley:-- but you have to start networking, do your own research -- get on the horn and call every company even if they don't provide the services you...
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    Re: Polo confuddlement! Help!

    From what I know:

    If bottom of bottle says Warner/Lauren or Warner Cosmetics then fragrance is rare first generation -- 1978
    If it says Warner Cosmetics a Division of Cosmair or Warner/Cosmair...
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    Re: Need info on Isobutyl Anthranilate

    I'm going to try the meth anth, maltol, nerolidol combo. I already have Jasmine in the blend, but it's not giving me enough of that 'purple grape' effect -- like Jolly Rancher candy grape.
  24. Re: Does anybody know if Oud Synth 10760 E (Firmenich) smells like band aids and rubber?

    I don't get any of those impressions especially upon using it in a blend -- very nice IMO. Neat it smells to me like a slightly camphorous, lighter version of black agar givco and that's as far as...
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    Re: Gamma Dodecalactone (Natural)

    I have Gamma Dodecalactone -- natural isolate EO fraction from Aftelier. It's initially very peach, sweet and also creamy but that all fades fast in drydown on a strip -- in less than five minutes...
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    Re: Need info on Isobutyl Anthranilate

    Yep. CP is the only place that sells it -- but I just received an order from them which was placed before I knew I needed the B Anth :cry: and I didn't want to place another order for just one item....
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    Re: Need info on Isobutyl Anthranilate

    Thank you both! I recently ordered nerolidol and it just arrived -- was hoping I was on the right track.
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    Need info on Isobutyl Anthranilate

    The description of Isobutyl Anthranilate -- grape sweet fruity floral berry -- might fit with something I'm working on, but it looks like I won't be able to source it. Wondering if it's just not...
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    Re: Contract services in US

    I'm just curious -- and for clarity: You're making kilos (or whatever size) of perfume concentrate in your own lab? -- and then you want to send those kilos to a company that will store/macerate...
  30. Re: Any fresh alternatives to Ultrazur or dihydromyrcenol

    Search here for ideas; 5 pages of fresh type materials + descriptions:
    https://www.creatingperfume.com/makingfreshperfumes.aspx

    Frescile and Scentenal perhaps?
  31. Re: Video in the PK Perfumes Lab, Making 6.5kg Perfect Pineapple base

    That was fun to watch! The big jug pour especially. Thank you for sharing. Easy to see that you truly enjoy your work.
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    Re: Scented candle ingredients

    Absolutes are fine. I didn't mention them because they are fine, except for the expense. Essential oils on the other hand -- cheaper ones not 100% pure = cut with mystery oil, are usually not...
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    Re: Scented candle ingredients

    I'm not sure about 'solvent' being the right word, but what David might have been talking about is an additive of some sort that allows the fragrance to stay well mixed in the wax as it cools (no...
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    In the same way that certain perfumes wear 'close to the skin', reed diffusers wear 'close to the space' they are in. They aren't really capable of nor meant to flood a room with fragrance. For...
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    Re: Making my existing perfume last longer?

    Unless I'm mistaken, the OP did buy fragrances -- compound perfumes from local shops -- and was only asking how to make these alleged perfumes last longer -- not how to make a complete perfume from...
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    I've used the Augeo Clean Multi with very good results (for my own use) -- I've never tried TPM DPM.
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    I personally don't make or use room sprays. So.... I wouldn't know the best formula.
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    They key take-aways I think are that isopars are solvents -- they make things more fluid + are generally odorless + have desirable evaporation rates. I have never used them but solvent can certainly...
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    This might be helpful:
    https://ecolink.com/info/isopar-m-industrial-applications/
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    Re: What is a "MUD" bad smell ?

    Perhaps you might start by making a far more basic amber base with just Labdanum, vanillin and benzoin. Then you could use that base to go in whatever direction you desire: patchouli or leather or...
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    Re: An formula from 1963

    I think C-12 MNA is vastly different from C-12 Lauric and both are different from C-10. But in any event, without an overdose of various aldehydes -- whether by design or by accident -- obviously...
  42. Re: What do we know about COMPOSITION 37987-01 SYNAROME ?

    Late to the party -- but if anyone is still interested: To my nose Comp 379... has that generic, drug store brand -- but still very lovely -- 'hair-conditioner' type odor -- L'Oreal, Clairol, Herbal...
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    Re: Fragrances for Candles

    Candlescience.com is a good resource for candle making / fragrances for.
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    Also this:· Dipropylene Glycol Methyl Ether Acetate

    · Product identifier
    · Trade name: Premium Diffuser Base LSF 0771
    · Article number: LSF 0771
    · CAS Number:
    88917-22-0
    ·
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    Here's something else I found -- mineral oil?


    Product Name: REED DIFFUSER BASE
    Revision Date: 06-30-2017
    Replaces:
    3. Compositon/informaton on ingredients
    Chemical Component: CAS number and...
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    Re: Room spray with 3 ingredients

    The only problem with using just alcohol (instead of a base) for reed diffusers is evaporation -- it will happen very fast in the vessel + the scent throw will be fleeting.

    This is what one reed...
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    Re: Fragrance Oil Dilutions

    This won't be of much help but: companies that sell home fragrance 'oils' -- the ready-made ones that you can use right away -- do dilute them with whatever carrier is appropriate for the intended...
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    Re: Recreating Bleu De Chanel

    Case in point: Quite a while ago -- when I knew a lot less than I know now about making perfume (and I still know nothing in the grand scheme of things) I tried to recreate Norell -- a favorite of...
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    Re: How to organzie oils and aroma chemicals?

    For what it's worth:

    On my computer I have 3 lists. LIst # 1 is every synthetic material have (& certain naturals) in alphabetical order with detailed notes about each one + right after the name...
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    Re: Stranded with 10 kg of aroma chemicals

    Since pleasant smells from flowers etc. would more than likely already be familar to other island people, I'd hit them with something that really stinks thus causing them to wonder where such a gawd...
  51. Re: IFF Captive, until now, available to us at PSH! (Edenolide)

    I read Arcadi's rave description some time ago and have wondered ever since if/when this material would be available. Thank you for the info! Just ordered some from Christine.
  52. Re: When it says 'Vegetable Emulsifier' in the ingredients of a room spray- what does it usually mea

    This -- maybe?: Essential Oil Emulsifier. This vegetable mixture is an emulsifier (EOE) that helps to create a more even consistency between an essential oil and water combination. Applications are...
  53. Re: When it says 'Vegetable Emulsifier' in the ingredients of a room spray- what does it usually mea

    Depends on quite a few factors like: is the emulsion hot or cold process -- level of viscosity needed -- clear emulsion or milky preferred -- and the list goes on. For example: a cold process,...
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    Re: Interesting (maybe) bergamot comparison

    Very timely post for me as I've used up the last of my bergamot and was putting together an order from Eden. Will get the FCF. Thank you for the info!
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    Re: Smoothing Out Lemongrass EO

    Although violet leaf ab is fine material to have, I'm sure others will soon chime in to make suggestions of alternate if not better materials than vl ab. to address your lemongrass issue = an...
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    Re: Smoothing Out Lemongrass EO

    The BN perfumery experts might very well correct me, so I apologize in advance if this is not an optimum solution to take the sharp edge off your lemongrass. But adding a trace of violet leaf ab....
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    Re: fragrance mixture solidity

    I think you just misinterpreted the Wiki info which says: grain alcohol (Everclear) "is bottled at 120, 151 and 190 U.S. proof -- 60%, 75.5% and 95% alcohol by volume, respectively. "
    ...
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    Re: More amazement from my endowment of formulas

    She certainly knew how to write a thank you letter. Priceless.
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    Re: Ingredients needed for mens "Freshie"

    Terpinyl Acetate might be worth exploring for a bit of extra edge.
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    Re: More amazement from my endowment of formulas

    It is.

    Actually a first name too -- Heiko Maas for example. (I had to look that up :wink:)
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    Re: More amazement from my endowment of formulas

    Very cool!

    Would love to smell the powerful, 'lord of the manor' rose mix that was used.
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    Re: Veratraldehyde color stability question

    Maybe -- though I could be wrong -- but since the pH of DPG is about the same as vanillin (4-5 acidic), the DPG could be helping to stabilze the vanillin as it won't tend to discolor in similar pH's....
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    Re: descriptions of some new fragrance chemicals

    I put Orinox (diluted to 50%) to very good use in a dry, dusty rose blend (my goal) alongside sandalwood, leather and patchouli. The orinox made all the difference. Very subtle, lovely orange nuance...
  64. Re: Sourcing Norlimbanol Dextro in small amounts

    Great to know! Thank you. I can source it now from PSH.
  65. Re: Sourcing Norlimbanol Dextro in small amounts

    Thank you for the offer Paul -- 100 grams is fine -- but I'll first write to see where PA is on this and will go from there.
  66. Re: Sourcing Norlimbanol Dextro in small amounts

    Bumping this in case anyone has any info. I'm curious too.
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    Re: I've got withdrawal symptoms...

    I ordered right before PSH went dark -- lucky me -- but then went back to scout for a few more materials and.... uh oh! I totally get your jonesing.
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    Re: perfume ventilation system

    Are you talking about using your fragrance in an actual Cold-Air Diffusion system -- where the oils are converted to a dry mist of nanoparticles that are released into HAVAC ducts and blown into your...
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    Re: Hedione Hedione Hedione

    That was my take away -- 15 materials total.
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    Hedione Hedione Hedione

    Just in case anyone missed this and/or has an interest:

    https://www.fragrantica.com/news/I-Want-to-Play-Jean-Claude-Ellena-on-Freedom-Professional-Jealousy-and-His-Newest-Rose-Cuir-12731.html
  71. Re: Any advice for getting that Sharp, Thin, Zingy quality to my homemade fragrance?

    You might try Rosewood Leaf EO -- from Eden: The aroma is fresh, bitter green-woody, and highly aromatic, with slight camphoraceous and faint rosy nuances;. I have some and it does add some nice top...
  72. Thread: Oil and Water

    by DanaB
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    Re: Oil and Water

    Take a look at this list of emulsifiers etc:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/cosdata/emulsifying.html

    You can click on any ingredient for a complete google search -- then check it out on the...
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    Re: Cyclomethylene Citronellol ?

    Thank you all for the replies. :)
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    Cyclomethylene Citronellol ?

    I can't find much more on this material other than the Firmenich description: Soft clean floral citrus rose — does not give much character of its own but develops, harmonizes individual notes of...
  75. Thread: Bleach note

    by DanaB
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    Re: Bleach note

    A safer option to chlorine is oxyclorsine: a uniquely stabilized chlorine-based substance linked to a monomeric oxygen. It is non-necrotizing and thus can be used on open wounds and will not damage...
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    Re: Perfumerslab.com -- Small beginnings

    Admittedly.... I tried to think up a clever comeback to this ^^^ (JulieN/CatW style) but your post was just too good to one up. :cool:
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    Re: Perfumerslab.com -- Small beginnings

    I was grrrowling when I typed that. :lolk:
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    Re: Blue Lotus Absolute Feedback Needed

    John Steele - Life Tree Aromatics a company that is well trusted has Blue Lotus.
    Lotus, Blue - Absolute Nymphaea caerulea - Sri Lanka -- 1.5 ML for 90$ as of their last price list that I got in...
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    Re: Essential oils blending problems

    I recently did this -- syphoned off the alcohol from a blend in which I mistakenly added a rose essential oil that was in a carrrier that would not mix. Still smells just fine; better even without...
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    Re: Essential oils blending problems

    Coconut oil is basically a fat (saturated) -- impossible to blend with alcohol and DPG as you found out. A very specialized 'alcohol tolerant' emulsifier would work, but off the top of my head I...
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    Re: "Mulacro" Essential Oil - Arcadi Boix Camps

    Perhaps your Nootkatone suspicions have something to do with this:

    The CDC owns patents on nootkatone and has licensed them to two companies — one to develop an insect repellent particularly for...
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    Re: Review: Auram Tonkin 4768-6/D

    It will be launched with a new name: Unaventful.
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    Re: Review: Auram Tonkin 4768-6/D

    Wouldn't that be something! Especially since Mahonial isn't quite there according to Arcadi (I'm sure you already know this): .... in fact Mahonial is seco Lyral. They have cut one carbon in...
  84. Thread: Hinokitiol

    by DanaB
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    Re: Hinokitiol

    Black spruce perhaps -- clean, sharp, intirguing IMO -- at least to compliment the Nootkatone. I am not familiar with Hinokitiol, so maybe it won't work.

    As for the bug repellency: do you happen...
  85. Thread: Taking my leave

    by DanaB
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    Re: Taking my leave

    You just did it -- the straw man thing. Twice.

    I give you a dictionary definition -- plain and simple.
    You then somehow translate that to mean I disagree with you = a misrepresentation of my...
  86. Thread: Taking my leave

    by DanaB
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    Re: Taking my leave

    The straw man fallacy involves misrepresenting an opponent’s position to make it easier to refute. Straw man arguments often oversimplify opposing views or disregard inconvenient points in favor of...
  87. Re: Fragrance Too Weak in Fractionated Coconut Oil

    One thing you could try -- that is if you're set on using the fragrance oils from from Vetiver Aromatics et al, is to dilute them with some alcohol rather than more oil. This will help with...
  88. Re: Fragrance Too Weak in Fractionated Coconut Oil

    I am not familiar with Plant Therapy but I do have several of fragrance oil samples from Vetiver Aromatics -- was going to use them to scent some hand creams for myself -- but I wasn't really...
  89. Thread: Taking my leave

    by DanaB
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    Re: Taking my leave

    Already Paul's thread is turning on its axis to become about something/someone else.
  90. Thread: Taking my leave

    by DanaB
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    Re: Taking my leave

    It's disheartening to see valuable members leave a forum because of....well....

    .....suffice to say: 'train wreck' threads that are often impossible to look away from or comment on with the...
  91. Re: Perfumers world "fluorescence," materials are actually professional grade materials!

    So....don't rule out a supplier! Buy from whatever company you like. Needing hard evidence about PW really isn't necessary is it? So what if others have a negative opinion about them -- you're not...
  92. Re: Perfumers world "fluorescence," materials are actually professional grade materials!

    As Geco said: ".....go to the factory and buy it as it leaves the machine."

    Other than that, it's all about TRUST.

    So you've answered your own question:

    When you buy a material from a...
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    Re: Good perfume formulas for beginners

    Not sure why you're answering me here. My post to Linalool was not about me having a personal interest in old fashioned formulas or where to find them as well as modern formulas etc.
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    Re: Good perfume formulas for beginners

    Would you be willing to post one of these 'old fashioned' formulas? If so, perhaps members here could give you some direction on what you might add or eliminate etc. in the spirit of reformulation...
  95. Re: Perfumers world "fluorescence," materials are actually professional grade materials!

    I think they would still have to (by law?) advertise them as the original product by name + CAS# IF the original manufacturer was still making the product and/or still held the patent on said product...
  96. Re: Discussing the mechanics behind crafting a formula

    I reuse my disposable pipettes -- can't bear to throw them away because of pollution. I immediately triple rinse them in alcohol -- 3 seperate small containers made from plastic water bottles cut in...
  97. Re: Perfumers world "fluorescence," materials are actually professional grade materials!

    It appears that there is no Jasmine 231 SA -- it doesn't exist -- no CAS# -- is not made by Firmenich. Not anymore. It's not on their website's compendium of products and there are no results for...
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    Re: The Wonderful world, and theory of musks

    I too was confused by and subsequently bothered by this 'nesting of musks' idea, because apparently there is no such thing as nesting in professional perfumery, at least not that I could find. Ergo,I...
  99. Re: Perfumers world "fluorescence," materials are actually professional grade materials!

    Me neither....

    ..... unless I'm wrongly understanding the Good Scents page on Jasmine Specialty -- which I see as showing various makers and/or suppliers of Jasmine Specialty = their own formula? ...
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    Re: What isn't soluble in ethanol?

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'pure' fragrance oil.

    As for the why's and chemical understandings, etc.: Google is your friend. Info abounds out there -- and yes there are materials (emulsifiers...
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