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    Re: How to Make Marijuana Perfume

    Actually no one asked that.
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    Re: Looking for a Nose/Perfumer to Consult

    There are two or three on this board who can help you. Still, it seems a bit odd to me you would post here in a DIY forum rather than contacting a known company that does such things. Or maybe you...
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    Re: Plasticine / playdough

    This is an amazing forum; I love how you can get answers to the most obscure and interesting questions in just hours.
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    Re: Plasticine / playdough

    Javiero to me the scent of playdough is exactly the scent of straight up heliotropin. Not sure what the scent of Plasticine is though. My wife used to have a perfume based on heliotropin (heliotrope...
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    Re: How does a nose experience a scent

    Thanks to both of you, fascinating stuff. It's like "the secret life of dogs" for you, and I admit a bit of jealousy. I can pick out quite a few things now, and a lot more than what a complete...
  6. Re: I call for a boycott of all Dopey comments and threads

    I have done so from the very first day he posted. The name says it all and I for one in not interested by that. And as Danielle points out, the best way to deal with it is not censorship, but just...
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    Could be it is my maltol that is adulterated!
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    Re: Maltol solubility issues

    I have never had a problem with maltol in ethanol -- I don't know what the highest percentage I have dissolved it at was, but I know it works at 10%. If not then just try some IPM.
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    Re: How does a nose experience a scent

    The latter, how a trained person experiences scent. How it changes your perception and way of enjoying scent. And everything else I said above... In the title, I realize it could be confusing: I mean...
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    How does a nose experience a scent

    While I am in a posting mood I thought I would ask a question I have been meaning to ask for some time. This is specifically directed at those here with formal, or very good informal training. Thus...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I have always had a sneaking suspicion that the key to a great accord is contrast, and perhaps even a bit of discord, in the musical sense, in order to make it pop out. And in a way the sweetness I...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I have Ebanol, and I love it, but it does give that je ne sais quoi of overarching sweetness, at least in any of the accords I have used it in.
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Not sure if you were replying to me -- if so I am referring to the whole thread on sweetness in male scents, and the fact there have been so few AC suggestions, or at least fewer than I expected...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I am fascinated by all the replies, thanks to everyone. What surprises me the most is the overwhelming majority of suggestions have been naturals; I somehow assumed there was a whole roster of ACs...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Graphite I am interested in your Thuja. Mine is rather dominated by I guess what is called terpenes, and not what I would think of as sweet.
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I am out of tonka abs... Grrr. need to get some more -- Lav abs I have used, but not with this specific purpose -- will try it.
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Fir balsam is a good one, I think I have been overdosing it though as I always seem to make it dominate -- let me try it in traces. Otherwise all the above save Rosone I have tried and indeed...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    I agree getting the combo right is key, but its not for lack of trying! Vanilla or even vanillin does work but it gives for me a very specific kind of sweetness that I associate with an oriental (and...
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    Re: The problem with sweetness

    Thanks David , Cistus and Davana I have not used too heavily, let me try it, thanks. Orange flower and related I have used as well as of course various citruses in the top but this is still not "it",...
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    The problem with sweetness

    In the men's fragrances I work on I like what is dark and I like dry. So I have worked on dark dry accords, for a long time. I buy dark dry materials etc. (I also buy others, because I want to have...
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    Re: Green Cognac Essential Oil

    I think there was some discussion of it in the past, although it may be in the dark vault. I have both white and green and I recall them smelling pretty distinctly of vomit. That was the consensus of...
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    Re: Honey resinoid from proxisanté

    Did you try heating (gently)? Otherwise you may need ipm or another solvent.
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    Re: GC for Tonka Bean Absolute, Anyone?

    Bo Jensen confirms this and also has a nice discussion of possible substitute/similar-smelling chemicals: "Minor components like dihydrocoumarin (with a sweet-herbal odor), 5-hydroxymethyl-furfural...
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    Re: diethyl- acetal Hydroxycitronellal

    Thanks I will be ordering today! For everyone's eduction, how does it smell compared to the regular Hydroxycitronellal?
  25. Thread: Butyric Acid

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    Re: Butyric Acid

    Paul proxisante carries it in small quantities and it is not expensive.
  26. Re: What notes do you get from Johnson's Baby Oil?

    I think geranium (or geraniol) may be involved.
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    Re: Help with victorian perfume

    Read the stickies before you do anything. FOs will likely not replicate anything close to this formula and using all naturals for this will be very pricey and probably a waste; unless you are...
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    Re: Help with victorian perfume

    As long as you don't eat the bitter almond oil (but good luck finding any) you'll be alright (cyanide). It won't smell anything like lily of the valley though, I've tried it.
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    I have lived there for two years and in SE Asia for 10 and we went there regularly. Definitely lemon grass and don't forget frangipani. Also for lime I would use kaffir lime. And galangal instead of...
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    Re: Forming acetals

    Thanks David yes, I have both, the amyl version seems a little "rounder" to me, but they are indeed quite similar




    Chris it is indeed a discontinued fragrance and I am doing both because I...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    Chrestomanthic you have some very nice, generous and very experienced people here giving you good advice, advice you asked for. You would do well to heed it, but of course you can do whatever you...
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    Re: Forming acetals

    The isomerization issue is interesting; for example there seems to be a lot of isoamyl salycilate in it, but your comment makes me think perhaps this could have been originally plain old Amyl...
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    Re: Forming acetals

    An intriguing idea, which would make sense given what I am smelling, but sadly no methyl anthrilate listed. Is it possible the GMCS missed it?
  34. Re: IFRA, difference between tea absolute and CO2?

    I think this is telling. When institutions have to be responsive to their customers and care about them, they make attractive, easy to use websites (among other things). When they have unbridled or...
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    Re: Forming acetals

    agree .5% of C-8 is a heck of a lot, especially for me as I really don't like the smell of the aldehydes.
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    Re: Forming acetals

    Well I am pretty patient, I've been working on this for more than 2 years, and up to formula number 22 (version 6). But I admit I have only had the c-8 for 9 months.

    I agree it is possible with...
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    Re: Forming acetals

    so if I put in a dehydrating agent and kept it warm do you think that would do the trick, at least minimally?

    I would love to work out a way to just buy them but I don't see how. I just really...
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    Forming acetals

    I have written about this in the past and David confirmed one can encourage acetal formation by diluting in ethanol and waiting, but I have not been too successful. The two acetals I am looking for...
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    Re: Ambergris in the UK

    The prices being quoted on those eBay listing are highly optimistic; you can buy top grade stuff from a reputable supplier in New Zealand for $US25 per gram. 130 UK pounds for 1.88 grams is usurious.
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    Re: pheromone use in perfumery

    David I guess the answer is yes, although I am not sure I would, depending on how bad they smell or unpredictable the effects. I have just always been curious about them. As for the effect I guess it...
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    Re: pheromone use in perfumery

    Thank you both for taking the time to reply so thoroughly. Fascinating indeed. As I suspected it is quite complicated and with a lot of unknowns. It also seems like you would be working with a...
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    pheromone use in perfumery

    I have questions for two members on this subject:

    One, for David: Do you know whether pheromones are ever used in mainstream fragrance (I guess I am talking about a perfume or cologne, and also...
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    Re: Dazzling the Natural Perfumery Priestesses

    Nizan as you say natural perfumery is a philosophical stance more than anything although I would also say there is a certain aesthetic to it as well which I can understand. I think you will fail to...
  44. Re: Infusing Ambergris powder in Sandalwood oil

    As Mumsy says.

    Also I have mixed ambergris tincture with sandalwood in the past and while the effect is noticeable, I found it tended to attenuate the sandalwood. Also, if ambergris tincture takes...
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    Re: Lilac saga 2014 …. enfleurage time again

    Mumsy I have been wanting to do this for years but have not managed for various reasons, usually being my not being near my lilac when it is blooming (as is the case this year, plus it's alwasy WET...
  46. Re: Solubility Problems with Ambrette Seed CO2

    I think I used IPM for this one and it worked fine. There is an old thread somewhere where I asked about diluting co2s I find they are often hard to dilute in ethanol. Although as I understand it...
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    Re: Always Vanilla Ad - UGH!

    To many I think vanilla has come to mean ho hum or ordinary (in fact the term has now become part of normal usage for this). But I always remember it is in fact one of the most exotic things you can...
  48. Thread: Viola odorata

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    Re: Viola odorata

    No I have not used benzyl benzoate in violet as to me it is quite faint and more of a solvent as I understand it -- . But it could smooth things out I suppose. I doubt it is the magic ingredient you...
  49. Thread: Viola odorata

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    Re: Viola odorata

    From my notes: Try a touch of ambrette seed abs or ambrettolide if you have them. And phenylethy alcohol. And a tiny trace of oakmoss. This may add some velvet. And for a "woody humus violet" very...
  50. Re: (+)-methyl dihydroepijasmonate AKA methyl 2-[(1S,2S)-3-oxo-2-pentylcyclopentyl]acetate CAS: 3964

    This is fascinating Paul. But now I am confused too... So you are saying the molecule you identified in the GCMS is NOT Paradisone?

    Whatever the case now I am certainly very interested in...
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    Re: Good heliotope

    Reviving this thread as I have recently received some acetophenone, and I was surprised at how much it reminded me of heliotropin. I then looked at good scents and it does indeed reference this...
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    Re: La La Essential Oils - thoughts

    Sadly Nadia there are no recommended Indian suppliers. There may indeed be some that are okay, but their unscrupulous colleagues have ruined it for India's reputation for EOs and absolutes, and...
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    Re: An Iso E Super question

    Not sure, but must have to do with how you store your materials.... Lol (need to edit your post)
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    Re: Patchouli aging

    Which is why it is so hard to choose what material to lay away. I suppose maybe just buy a few kilos of several different ones.
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    Re: Patchouli aging

    Great information everyone, thanks! David, did anything you worked on ever call for "aged" patchouli? Or is the idea it improves things just a myth?
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    Re: Patchouli aging

    I have for some time now been tempted to buy a few liters of patchouli and keep it in reserve for say 10 years. The reason I have not is I don't know what patchouli would be best for this. If I am...
  57. Re: dimethyl anthranilate vs methyl anthranilate

    Thanks Chris,

    This is very helpful.

    You are right, I don't mind the aldehydes being softened, because mostly I find them to remind me of everything I don't like in "artificial" scents. This...
  58. dimethyl anthranilate vs methyl anthranilate

    I occasionally play around making up the classics from the Louis Appell formulas. I don't always have everything and so I improvise when necessary (I highly recommend it by the way, you really learn...
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    Re: Immortelle Absolute into solution...?

    Hmm, strange. Try pure ipm first and you may need to heat it too. I can't remember if I later added ethanol.
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    Re: Immortelle Absolute into solution...?

    I think I used IPM with no problem for this one.
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    Re: Tuberose Headspace GC-MS?

    I don't "get" the absolute at all, on its own I find it almost unpleasant and kind of "muddy" even in dilution. The real flower is indeed a lovely and heady thing, we used to buy them as cut flowers...
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    Re: jonquil absolute

    Well I can't say $100/7 ml sounds "too good to be true", it's still a lot of money, but I get your point nonetheless...
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    Re: jonquil absolute

    Jazztweety I truly don't understand it. I used to think it was just indirectly paying for the social advantages of living in Europe, which seems to equal lower salaries, higher consumer prices and...
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    Re: jonquil absolute

    Thanks Jazztweety, it looks like Liberty natural has by far the best price, at $100 for a 1/4 oz compared to $150 at whitelotusaromatics and somewhere around $200 at Victorie inc.(who sell by ml). ...
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    Re: jonquil absolute

    Danke Graphite, thanks Adam,

    Man it's expensive. ugh.

    Adam no offense about proxisante, I really don't have a horse in the race. You are still one of my preferred suppliers.
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    jonquil absolute

    I have convinced myself I need this material for a formula I am working on, I have narcissus but the description of jonquil absolute (which I have never smelled) seems better suited to what I need....
  67. Thread: Fecal notes

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    Re: Fecal notes

    David again I would always defer to your knowledge but here I am confused as my little bottle of Castoreum abs from a certain French supplier says "Origine: France," Adam at Hermitage says his is...
  68. Thread: Fecal notes

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    Re: Fecal notes

    David I would not be one to doubt your knowledge and experience, but I wonder then, why castoreum and civet absolute are still produced in France? Surely not (solely) for the Chinese market? Or only...
  69. Thread: Fecal notes

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    Re: Fecal notes

    Sorry to continue in this off-topic direction but I think "forced extraction" (scraping out the gland of captive civets) happens in Ethiopian civet farming (or so I have read) but I know for a fact...
  70. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    I believe he will also have and English language website up soon, or at least that's what I think I understood... (for DrSmellthis, the "intellectually lazy American")
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    Re: Musk Ketone Restrictions

    I do own a sample and it is lovely, but I keep it at arms length, it accumulates in the environment and accumulates in human fatty tissue (and breast milk). It may also potentiate carcinogens if I...
  72. Thread: Vanilla bean

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    Re: Vanilla bean

    I made my tincture age faster by using a sonicator (actually a big 2 liter chinese-made ultrasound cleaner) , but basically the same procedure as jsparla
  73. Re: Need your opinions regarding, Eden Botonical Essential Oils

    They have always been excellent for me. Good range, good quality, reasonable prices.
  74. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    At the risk of reigniting the competitive spirit above, I though I'd let everyone know I got a sample of Robertet's "Bigardier coeur" from Philippe, and it is truly a fantastic substance. He will be...
  75. Re: Perfumer’s Supply House Tools – Table of Esters and their Smells

    These are fantastic Paul -- if the few errors could be corrected and we can get them into a sticky that would be great... I'll wait to print them out.
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    Re: Weak cedar accord

    Try adding some patchouli, coumarin and isoamyl salicylate, plus some verbena or citral at the top.
  77. Thread: Timbersilk

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    Re: Timbersilk

    Hermitage does have it, and in the US you can buy it from pkiler.
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    Re: Good MUSK combos?

    James I generally feel the same way but in the case of these musks you mention I worry about bio accumulation and endocrine disruption, which are serious issues with these as I understand it.
  79. Thread: Araucaria

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    Re: Araucaria

    Graphite, sounds like an interesting material. Can you give us your impressions of the odor? Would you buy it again now that you have smelled it?
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    Re: Good MUSK combos?

    I know this may have been covered elsewhere but I could not find it in searching: I have been playing with some of the Louis Appell formulas for the "classics" (which by the way I highly recommend, I...
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    Re: Natural vs synthetic

    Anya, while we've got your attention, did you ever complete the GCMS of various supposedly natural honeysuckle absolutes? I know it was months and months ago, and I have occasionally looked to see...
  82. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe confirmed to me he had to send back the Cedre Texas Coeur because when he got it, as others have now reported, it was too fresh and still had the distillation notes in it, so he sent it back...
  83. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Adam I don't think you need to worry too much. Europe has what, 350 million people? Yet we don't have nearly as many online essential oil suppliers as the US. I think there's room for a few more...
  84. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe has received everything and it is now on the website for sale. Be quick, as it seems to be moving fast -- the Texas cedar coeur is already sold out (and I missed it, curses!)
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    The closest to natural deer musk is l-muscone, also hard to get a hold of. What are you using for the parma violet and victoria violet in the formula?

    PS I have not forgotten you, just no time...
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    Omikron.de has new ownership

    Another one for the supplier sticky once it is ready: For those of you on the continent, I thought you might want to know that OMIKRON (http://www.omikron-online.de) are under new ownership and they...
  87. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe very kindly send me samples of the cardamom NHS and the Atlas coeur which I received today. The cardamom is true to the description at Robertet's site "Captured volatiles of Elletaria...
  88. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Hi Graphite, sorry, no I have not tried it. Let us know how it is?

    - - - Updated - - -



    As I understand it, yes, its robertet's bois d'encens.
  89. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Proxisante sent me a mail a couple days ago saying he is also ordering cardamon heart, frankincense wood, and vetiver heart (I don't know if it is the IFF one Paul) thought folks would be interested...
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    Re: Honeysuckle absolute from Haven Essence

    Months, if not even more than a year ago, Anya M said she was organizing gcms analysis of several supposedly authentic honeysuckles to prove once and for all if any were indeed natural. I have...
  91. Re: Best scent absorbing materials for enfleurage

    Not sure I understand here Nizan; you will enfleurage live flowers, okay, interesting idea. But if you are doing true enfleurage there will be no liquid, and the fat should be smeared on something...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    I made up a very small batch of the accord given by Paul, (but substituting the anis aldeyde for dimethyl hidroquinone.) It is true the 8% violet leaf is too much for my taste, and dominates on first...
  93. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    Phillipe at Proxisante confirmed to me yesterday he has ordered 10 KG each of Guaiac heart, Texas Cedar heart, Natural Cedrol, and Altlantic Cedar Heart (all from Robertet). We should expect these to...
  94. Re: Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    I had a chat with him today again and he is just establishing a relationship with Robertet, but it's hard for him to buy the minimum quantities per SKU as a small business, not knowing what will sell...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Point taken David.



    Well if you are playing around to get your formulation right, using 10% diluted materials, even 8% will not set you back too much. David's accord has only about 2% so you...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Milhaus I would just buy some violet leaf abs -- but the very smallest amount you can buy, it is so extremely powerful as a hobbyist 1 gram would probably last you years. On a usage basis it is not...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    Well I certainly will not argue with your experience David; it is interesting that in the professional world, Dimethyl Hydroquinone is not used for violet.

    FYI though, I was going from a...
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    Re: Violet accord - i am lost

    I think the chemical 1,4 dimethoxybenzene is also important. (David has mentioned this elsewhere)When trying to make a natural accord I used star anis oil to replace this, with some success.

    I...
  99. Proxisante is going to get some interesting things

    I hope I am not violating any rules by posting this news about a supplier that I think will be of interest to the DIY community: www.proxisante.com (after some lobbying on my part) will be getting...
  100. Thread: Farnesol

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    Re: Farnesol

    Funny I was just reading about this material a couple days ago and wondering if I should have ordered it in my last order from Hermitage... sounds quite nice. And useful.
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