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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    You see, the world is small ;)
    Looking forward to your progress!
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan, do you intend to make a blend or just exploring aromatics that you may associate with dark blue purple? It's nice to read all the suggestions indeed :tekst-toppie:
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    Re: EU regs

    + 1 :thumbsup: wishing you all the luck, it's a tough nut to crack by DIY.
  4. Thread: EU regs

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    Re: EU regs

    Yes, adding to what David says: it is A LOT of work in a very specific field and no expert would give away their hard work for free ;)
  5. Thread: EU regs

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    Re: EU regs

    See siggy for an info thread I did here on BN. See also sticky on IFRA at the top of this forum. And if you need specific answers, I'd be happy to help, cosmetic legislation is my bread & butter ;)
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Even cooler, Nizan ;) Anyways, yes I like the smell of burnt plastic or burnt hair well burnt anything LOL :vrolijk_1: Ow and Choya Loban too!
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Cool job, Nizan :thumbsup: Prof Sobel is an awesome pioneer in the field!

    Sorry for being cryptic earlier, I actually mean a couple of natural ingredients like really good frankincense CO2...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan, here is your answer ;)



    Lucky you, Paul! In the Netherlands we have to pay for everything. As a private citizen you are not even allowed to a digital copy, just a print (for an extra...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    Nizan I'll ask and get back to you. As far as closed access publications go, I'm afraid I can't offer them openly & publicly for free... Most university libraries offer access for private citizens...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    I totally get it, Bill ;) I need to deal with such things on a daily basis. Sometimes it's just not possible to publish every little details, jme as a scientist. That's why the information can always...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    You're welcome ;)

    I know the author(s) and the scents, I'll ask permission if I may share that with you ;)

    The study is pretty sound statistically & methodologically imho but I may be biased...
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    Re: Communicating dark colors

    A recent one that's been in the news
    http://www.medicaldaily.com/smelling-colors-our-brains-associate-odors-color-fruity-smells-are-pink-294002

    Original paper here:

    Cross-Cultural Color-Odor...
  13. Re: Fragrance Oils = synthetics. So why variances in quality???

    What Todd says :thumbup:

    A few additions.

    Fragrance oils are distributed to many different small suppliers. That means that they are exposed to more external potentially damaging factors (like...
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    Re: Question about PA Key Accords

    Indeed. Most perfume schools have such pre-made simple accords to train the nose on how different aromatics interact.

    And like DrSmellThis & Bill remarked, yes, most companies make finished...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    I agree with Thomash, just 1 small addition:


    It depends on how you define the process of smell. If it must involve the nose than indeed the skin doesn't smell. But if you define smell as a...
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Sorry David, but the fact is that this study does focus on a specific olfactory receptor namely OR2AT4, which is present in the nose as well as in skin
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/341152
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Genetically random, you're born with it...
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    Re: Violet Accord Formula

    Anosmia to ionones is a quite common generic predisposition (about 40% of people cannot smell the violets). So definitely worth testing, ProfBats ;)
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    Re: What smells say Thailand to you?

    Coconut milk, lemongrass, lime, cilantro & green curry.

    But for a wedding you are right on the money with your thoughts on white tropical flowers. I think something like Bronze Goddess could work.
  20. Re: Turning a basic idea into a full fragrance....

    You don't need more flesh, you need more skeleton ;) Synthetic aromatics are great in giving structure and creating space. Or is your goal a 100% natural perfume? With only naturals you'll never be...
  21. Thread: Scales

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    Re: Scales

    LOL I'm nodding here and empathizing cos it's infuriating! I feel so stupid too, every time it happens...
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    Re: Input on making a green floral scent?

    LOL this is exactly my first thought ;)

    And my second: 'damn, boy, that's heavy on the green and light on the floral' ;)
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    Re: Sweet fruity top notes

    Do you happen to have berryflor? In tiny amounts + beta-ionone or isoraldeines and just a very tiny amount of damascones, I personally really like it. With some phenylethyl alcohol, it's can get a...
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    You're welcome and good luck on your quest! Please do check back with your progress :)
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    Re: Small note on natural perfumes

    Interesting discussion, guys :thumbsup:

    Just talking from my own experience here, don't underestimate the power of training the nose. Years later means years of a billion new neural connections...
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    Re: Hello from a newbie

    A warm welcome, it's always nice to read someone's progress in the smelly world :)
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Indeed David, that's what I read too: minuscule particles of activated charcoal. And some other synthetic solvents and polymers.

    Thank you, Pears, I see what you mean.


    And this is exactly...
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    Ultrazur is ready available here
    https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-5976-ultrazur-g.aspx
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    You're right, Pears, the adsorption is the adhesion that was mentioned before. In this case it is still a bit of a mystery to me how to achieve that with an inert powder and aromatics that are mostly...
  30. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    You're welcome! :) Please do post the results of your experiments ;)
  31. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/261938-A-question-regarding-the-use-of-isopropyl-myristate-in-perfumers-alcohol/

    I see it's no longer complete cos of forum migration problems a few months ago....
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    Re: Dried Human Saliva Scent

    I love such smelly conquests, the title of the thread made me chuckle!

    The only material I associate with saliva is Ultrazur in a very high dilution, trace like 0.00001%.

    Good luck and of you...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Thank you David for chiming in :) It's fun to discuss! During my time in the lab, powders were the bane of my existance oh, how much I hated to work with them!
    You have not only the inhalation...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Yes, I'm too inclined to believe it's about physical adhesion rather than chemical. As Pears rightly pointed out, talc is inert (meaning the chance that it reacts with other chemicals is slight) so...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Interesting, will look into the science behind it. My hands on experience in a lab is that scenting powders is a pain ;) Powders are good at deodorizing, but not so good at capturing the scent, for...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    Hm, when working in a lab, I learned that talc itself is quite hygroscopic but now I looked it up in the literature and found this:...
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    p.s. I guess you mean 'why'?

    chemical answer:
    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2566/does-baking-soda-remove-odors
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    Re: Baking soda enfleurage

    I see 1 major problem with all powders: moisture. All the above mentioned are very hygroscopic substances (meaning they attract water from the air). Fresh plants are full of water and most peeps here...
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    Re: Where do I begin?

    Welcome :)

    I would say: make a good pot of tea (or coffee) and start by reading all the stickies. They should cover most of the basics and it's FREE ;)

    Enjoy!
  40. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    There are many oily solvents that are not per se vergetable oils from the grocery store, check out the sticky topics. I would say experiment with as many as possible in different dilution %,...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    Not all FO's are created equal, some are made for use in candles or other non skin applications and for that different regulations apply. Please ask an assesor or expert.

    Cellier's original...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    You mean like strawberry fragrance oil for example?

    I think you could take that chance if you limit yourself to 'single notes' and not blends with fancy names like 'the enchantress' or something...
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    Re: Reformulation later?

    I might be a minority here but my experience is that using bases is common practice for most well respected perfume companies. The advantage they have is the possibility (read money, materials and...
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    Re: Very simple accords?

    These are not so difficult to sketch, for most berries you can use ionones (the beta smell the most fruity to me but smelling ionones is one of those things that is genetically set so you just need...
  45. Re: Fragrance oil longevity/strength difficulties

    Ok so there are several issues here
    -the carrier oil as base, vegetable oils are not the best solvents of aromatics, meaning they can indeed dull a scent > solution: other solvents
    -essential...
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    Re: Vanilla (aka, help a single dad :)

    I would go with more accessible and cheap options that are mostly vanilla sugar aka vanillin scents. Out of the top of my head Yves Rocher Vanilla bourbon, the Body Shop Vanilla, any of the Demeter...
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    Re: Please help me find my group

    Thank you all for the kind help!

    I'll get copying the above and will wait, just don't know where to check back to see if all the info has been restored because the URLs have also changed.
    ...
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    Please help me find my group

    Apologies for this, as I simply cannot seem to find my way back and there are too many posts and too little time to read it all.

    I'm especially bummed about losing all the work I had put into the...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    Thank you, dear. I totally missed that part, I only read a few subfora here...
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    Re: Improved site search - please read

    I must be missing something but to which search engine are you referring?

    This one:
    http://www.basenotes.net/search.php
    ?

    I don't see any improvement there?
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    Re: Handsome, manly bottles?

    This would probably make the best fit:
    http://www.accessoriesforfragrances.com/
  52. Re: NPR Radio Interview now available for listening... - with Paul Kiler, PK Perfumes

    Nice talk, Paul, well done!
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    Re: Raw materials blind sniff?

    Great :) 1 down 2 to go :D
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    Raw materials blind sniff?

    A few mentioned the blind nose training in another thread, so I was thinking, now that the blind sniff of perfumes is no longer an option due to shipping problems: would any DIY and other perfume...
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    Re: Perfumers education

    This is a strict all natural course, taught by self-taught all natural perfumers that don't follow IFRA nor EU regulations and also follow the strict All Natural Perfumers Guild ethos. So if you're...
  56. Thread: Going to Grasse

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    Re: Going to Grasse

    Gecko, I would suggest to contact Jessica September Buchanan from http://www.1000flowers.ca/ As she now works in Grasse and has cultivated some relationships with local growers she might be able to...
  57. Re: Chart of Most Frequently Used Perfume Notes by Deborah Dolen

    Trying to duplicate a fragrance by marketing blurbs only, is not the best idea.
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    Re: Are our skins really that different?

    What a gem of a remark! :) Kitty heaven indeed!
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    Re: Formal Fragrance Training Courses

    You're most welcome, Foster! If your intention is 'just a hobby' I would say: invest those fees in good materials & equipment and enjoy the ride :)
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    Re: Formal Fragrance Training Courses

    Formal training is mostly offered in-house if you work for a fragrance house or a cosmetic company that have their own fragrance department. You could look into such local companies. Most of the time...
  61. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Sounds cool to me, if it works for you, that's the most important thing!

    - - - Updated - - -



    You are very right!
    We had some very intellectual talks in the Chandle Burr's Untitled Series...
  62. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Yes, it was indeed difficult to make that point, thank you for re-reading :)

    Actually categorizing is a very useful universal human cognitive brain function ;)
    But I totally get the individual...
  63. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Thanks, Cacio, I understood the ;) I think it makes perfect sense to make your own categories as you get more and more acquainted with different kinds of perfume. I really like your 'fruitchouli' :)...
  64. Re: Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    Thank you guys! I've altered the thread name a bit as my question regards which method of categorizing fragrance you find the most helpful and not what category fragrance you enjoy most. So sorry for...
  65. Thread: Gcms

    by Irina
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    Re: Gcms

    I have no idea, as the company I worked for had a bulk contract with them (several analysis each week) and I was told they were the best price for the best service. They were incredibly fast,...
  66. Fragrance families: which method of categorizing do you prefer and why?

    During perfumer training I was taught a fragrance wheel of fragrance families that is slightly different than most perfumistas use like BN's directory for example. ...
  67. Thread: Gcms

    by Irina
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    Re: Gcms

    I would recommend
    http://www.intertek.com/
    They have reps for many countries and are reasonably affordable. Make sure you explain what you need your analysis for. If you have a description like:...
  68. Re: Starting "open source" perfume formula's; donate yours!

    Hi Jeroen,

    Sharing is always good! :tekst-toppie:

    The thing I personally like about those demo formulas is that they offer a free way to really learn how to formulate like pro's do. And many...
  69. Re: Starting "open source" perfume formula's; donate yours!

    There are LOADS of open source demo formula's available from the big 5, all very easily searchable here:
    http://www.perfumersearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=9
  70. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Ivana, dear, I'm sorry but I think that something is going wrong in translation. I think that you should take some time and re-read all the input here as some of your words contradict themselves. ...
  71. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Thank you, David for taking the time to answer Ivana's questions, very interesting!
    And I totally agree with you, Mumsy.

    Ivana: I'm afraid that you are right: the commercial designer or big niche...
  72. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    This is possible: if you make it for yourself, not for profit. Look also at the small all natural indie perfumers, their profit is very small.

    If I take the price breakdown in the picture above,...
  73. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Agreed and all the above is written and meant with all the respect. I would be grateful to hear more about the above and always stand corrected if I got my facts wrong.
    So please David if you know...
  74. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Really, David?

    If you take the picture I showed earlier

    http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scentedsalamander/images/prix_revient_parfum.jpg

    Here they talk about the price of juice at 0.75 euro. If...
  75. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    The truth of any luxury items people buy is that the majority wants the best but also cheapest. So what consumer say they want and what they actually buy is based on this principle. Meaning if you...
  76. Quality control for DIY/indie perfumers: tips & tricks

    I thought it was appropriate to ask around, especially for those that also sell their creations: how do you manage quality control?

    Meaning:
    How do you know/insure your materials are pure,...
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    The business side of DIY/indie perfumes

    In response to this question



    Dear Ivana, it is not that simple. You have to imagine that in order to get that $15 for 10 ml of pure fragrance that will be diluted up to 100 ml + $15 for the...
  78. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    It is totally legitimate to add your and any suppliers here and everyone is grateful for sharing experiences, so thank you again! :thumbup:

    Your tale about the dogs does make me smile :D The thing...
  79. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    Thank you for sharing!
    I tend to don't buy mixtures any more and sampling oud is so expensive... So how do you know if something is genuine aside from reviews? My short experience with GC/MS...
  80. Sticky: Re: DIY Suppliers List

    Looks good, thanks for sharing! What did you purchase?
  81. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    I second David's recommendation of Infusion d'Iris by Prada and most Chanels have a nice orris base, like 31 Rue Cambon. Many Guerlains, especially vintages also contain that soft powdery round orris...
  82. Re: Are we all drinking the kool-aid and buying into hype?

    This is a FANTASTIC idea LHBI!!!
  83. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    double post
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    Thank you so much for the clues, David! I will get some samples of those. Sulfurol was suggested to me when I was working on a milk chocolate accord.

    Ivana, dear, real oudh is very very rare, very...
  85. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Both Ivana for starting this thread and David for his very helpful posts and actually everyone that joined in, it is a fascinating thread!

    I am hypernosmic to both...
  86. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    What David says is true. Here is another popular article that shows you the price breakdown of perfumes:

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/05/22/celebrity-perfume-cost-breakdown/

    Here is an...
  87. Re: IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

    You're most welcome :D thank you for reading!
  88. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Ivana, dear, here is a nice blog about it:
    http://boisdejasmin.com/2012/02/the-price-of-luxury-perfume-1.html

    You know my favorites :)
  89. Re: Why aren't chemicals stronger smelling to begin with?

    So now I'm curious: what is the answer?
  90. Re: most natural smelling perfumes and most synthetic smelling ones

    Agreed!
    I think it all comes down to personal taste. This article may be interesting in this light:
    http://virsanghvi.com/Article-Details.aspx?Key=904

    It basically says that what you 'think'...
  91. Re: It's the End of the (Perfumed) World as We Know It

    In a former thread I tried to explain in layman's terms about EU and IFRA and why perfumes change:...
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    Re: testing with cheap oils

    It all depends on the skill of the perfumer and the formula. I have smelled beautiful creations with cheap materials and awful ones with expensive materials.
    Why do you ask?
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    Re: the anti-fragrance

    I would say the crunchy granola types that are against deodorant and anything with 'nasty chemicals': wholefoods scent? LOL
  94. Re: New house Juniper Ridge with three Backpacker’s Cologne

    I totally love this concept! Wish I could experience them, but then again just like with Slumberhouse, they are exclusive to the US...
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    Re: Do you remember smells literally?

    Wow, David, now I can appreciate your skill even more! Thank you so much for sharing your vast experience with us here, not many people realize how precious this is!

    Ambolt, I also love your...
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    Re: A sad day at Pell Wall

    I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, Chris *hugs!* Enjoy the puppy cuteness :)
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    Re: Do you remember smells literally?

    Totally agree ^^^^

    David: do you still 'train' or smell things on a daily basis? Or did anything change after your retirement?
  98. Re: Micro samples... would that be of any interest?

    Most small sample vials fit in an envelope. I have been trading samples for years and there are several ways to go about it. Here are some of my tips.

    First avoid the 1 ml straight vial with that...
  99. Re: Micro samples... would that be of any interest?

    I would especially be interesting in trading samples of raw materials.
  100. Re: IFRA restrictions and EU regulations are NOT the same: some facts

    Thank you for the kind words, you're very welcome :)

    Indeed there are many issues with how this works. My personal issue is for example that while being allergic to many of the 82 ingredients, it...
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