Originally Posted by Hedione
Ê From the supply side of creating fragrances, the recent (approx Ê1.5 years now) regulatory reform Êon all oakmoss and treemoss materials has created a fundemental shift in new creativity wherein all fragrances that contain mosses are being reformulated to spec and Êall new scents just don't have the selection of what we perfumers have had for many decades--a variety of odor varying moss notes.
There is a marketing side also to this because the "sheers" or "transparents" based fragrances have been in vogue and have dominated the output in different fragrance categories available.
Thank you, again, Hedione, for sharing your knowledge. ÊMy suspicion is that chypres are simply not the "in" thing where fruity florals, and sheers and transparents (as you said) are. ÊI even read recently that so many of the fragrances being launched aren't in it for the long haul, but for a few years at best. ÊI simply find it sad that today's young people aren't getting the best that could be offered -- nor perhaps the best that has been offered.
On another note. I see you are a moderator to this website. Am I to understand that someone like me, who is new, cannot start a thread? With a all due respect I have looked at many subjects posted and their replys on basenotes, and I am not being arrogant here, but your site could use a little "inside the industry" factual information about fragrances and olfaction.
Yes, I am a co-moderator for the feminine fragrances forum. ÊI have no idea why you, or any other new member, would not be able to start a thread. ÊYou should have a "start a new topic" feature on your screen, at any of the open forums.
I certainly cannot speak for the rest of the membership, but I could use some "inside the industry" factual information about fragrances and olfaction.
ÊThough, honestly, with a fantastically gorgeous perfume, I don't even care to know what's in it most of the time. ÊI suppose I'm more interested in how it makes me, or others feel. ÊBut that's just me.
I picked this website because it looks like it has potential, but as a perfumer, Ozmoz probably is the premier website for fragrance info and they have some real professsionals involved.
Is ozmos good? ÊI so rarely check that site, so thanks so much for the tip. ÊI think, like Octothorpe pointed out, we at Basenotes come from all walks of life and many countries, and we (for the most part) come together through a passion for fragrance, or an obsession with it, and we enjoy the discussions. ÊMany of us also appreciate inside information, though I have to say that I don't have a scientific mind so scientific data, chemical components or technical information, is lost on me, but others may well appreciate it. ÊI'm a weak-willed woman for beautiful cars, but I simply don't want to know what makes it run. ÊI just want to put my key in the ignition, start it up, and drive the gorgeous hunk of metal.
As for all comments on this website about a particular fragrance and it's true contents or description, the bottom line is you have to have the analytical data. You have to be able to look inside the bottle with GCMS and accurately decipher the ingredients. Everything else his heresay or marketing B.S.
I believe most of us just discuss our impressions, thoughts, feelings. ÊWe post published notes as well, and often give our own opinions -- and that's what they are -- opinions -- as to what we think really is or isn't in a perfume. ÊI think, too, many know full well about the fancy names being used are just that, fancy names. ÊAs you pointed out so eloquently earlier about the musks.
Speaking of Êmarketing, it and Êthe PR side of the fine fragrance industry (not the creative and compounding side) will say anything to promote their fragrance and brainwash the department store gal in saying that the fragrance contains orchid essential oil to a customer. There is no such natural and what is coming down the pipline based on European regulatory directives affecting the whole world wide fragrance industry, may be truth in labeling issues of ---"you can't lie like that anymore"!
I've seen discussion along this line over the last couple of years. ÊMarketing, advertising... there should be truth, of course. ÊAnd not just with fragrances.
If i may be honest here, where I am coming from runs parallel to an incident that happened about maybe 4 or 5 years ago. There was an aromatherapy conference, held up here in Seatlle and amongst the list of some of the Êbizzare and "false prophet" speakers was a guy named Brian Lawrence. ÊNow Brian Lawrence is like one of the top world experts in essential oils.
Now don't get me started about the reality of the so called aromatherapy industry and what the real truth is about the whole thing, but I live an hour North of Seattle and would not dignify even going there because smell of bullshit there is so thick it would irritate my lungs. Having heard that Lawrence gave a speech there I cornered him a couple of years later in Austrailia at an IFEAT convention (Iternational Federation of Aroma Trades). I asked him why on Earth would you go a give a speech to such crowd who believes in the corrupt groupthink that synthetics are evil and maybe 3 people out of a hundred and fifty there have any chemisrty background or real experience in hard core essential industry. He said to me "Harris, I went there to teach them science"!
I'm not too sure how to respond to this, but it is interesting. ÊAre you wanting to teach us science?
The point is--if you want, I will provide my 2 cents worth to this website and give info you may not get from the industry perfumers who actually create. ÊYou know why? Because most perfumers probably would be willing to share their passion and the truth about matters with people who are appreciate when a fragrant molecule stimultes a receptor site and a certain feeling is experienced. The reason most of them can't is because they work for a corporation and you must be careful of what you say. Me, I am solo and I will tell you that the newest Paris Hilton or Donald Trump is nothing more than modified copy of something else or NO, it doesn't have Himalayan Blue Poppy because there is no such thing!
I think that any professionals or perfumers should take this up with Basenotes owner. ÊI'm sure this membership would love to hear your two cents' worth, Hedione! ÊAs for the newest Paris Hilton or Donald Trump fragrances... I wouldn't get this group started on that topic!
Don't get me wrong, I am on no crusade here but if this website looks at it's participants as customers, then the least it should do is bring in some people who will give you the truth so as to cut through the pretty packaging and give inside content to those who would appreciate it. Some of it is absolutley facinating!
I'm not clear on what you mean by "participants as customers." ÊDo you mean fragrance customers in general? ÊWe are that, if that's what you mean. ÊAnd, again, you would have to take this up with Basenotes' owner and discuss with him what you have in mind. That is, if you're suggesting a special forum or section. If you're just wanting to discuss or start topics, then as long as your posts are within the rules, feel free to post away any information you would like to share, and feel free to join in any discussions.
Hedione, it sounds like you are most eager to share your expertise and knowledge with the Basenotes members. ÊI will bring this thread to the owner's attention, and you can also contact him to discuss your ideas.
Once again, thanks for sharing your knowledge.