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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

I'm really in a foul mood. I was going to go out and buy a new computer today but I got turned down on the financing.

I had decided that I wanted one of the new iMacs (20'' intel core). I didn't have the cash for it, maybe about half--so i went to the Apple Store online and applied for the Apple Credit card. I was declined.

It makes me so mad how credit is determined. I've had a few minor issues with credit in the past, but I've dug myself out of them and paid everything off. I once was in debt about $5000 combined on credit cards which isn't all that bad--but because I ended up losing my job at the airport in the immediate wake of 911, the result was I had a period in which I was barely able to pay my bills. I had a very stable income before 911. Who could forsee that mess? I went to a not-for-profit credit consolidation service to try to get my debts paid off. It took me a few years, but I did it. I'm debt free.

My car is also paid for. My parents had to co-sign for some reason when I got the loan, but it's paid off, and I paid every goddamn penny myself. Here's what gets me though. A few times I was late on my monthly car payment...yet I paid my car off six months early. That counts for nothing though, they want to sit there and hector me for the few times that it was late, when overall, I repaid the loan off early. I don't get it.

Also, somebody told me that going to a credit consolidator looks bad on one's credit report. This makes no sense to me either. I actually did the responsible thing to make sure my debts were paid. So not only did I pay the principle of all my loans, but I also paid an exorbitant amount of fees and interest to these damn creditors in the process. They actually probably do a good business of kicking people when they're down. I battled back and made sure that all my debts were taken care of, and what do they do? They give me a bad credit rating. It's not like I defaulted. It's not like I ran for bankruptcy. No, I worked around the clock to pay off my debts.

I'm 31 years old and I've learned from my experiences how to avoid some of the pitfalls that were a blight on my 20's. I don't use credit cards much, because I'd rather avoid the risk of falling back into a hole. So since I haven't applied for any credit cards (I only use debit) since coming out of debt I haven't been building my credit back up. Which I guess is bad.

Here's what galls me though. These credit card companies do all they can do to take advantage of people in their late teens and early 20's and try to get them in debt, so they can have them on the hook for years. Raising rates, and fees all the way, once the hook is set. It's almost predatory how they offer credit to people in an attempt to get them to bite. They're as bad as tobacco companies. So here I am, 31 years old, I've paid off two car loans and tens of thousands worth of credit card loans over the course of my life (I used to have good credit before 911)-- I can't get financing on a damn $2000 computer. Yet if I was ten years younger, more naive, and had never bought anything major before in my life, these same creditors would be offering me $2000 credit lines all over the place.

Why, when I've paid my pound of flesh, do these people have to keep kicking me. F*cking usurers. One of my brothers friends has it even worse. He was late twice on his car payments in the past. He was getting a home loan and when they noticed the two late car payments, it changed the interest rate to what amounts to the house costing $50,000 more over the course of the loan. Ridiculous. These creditors intentionally put people at risk of falling into debt, and then try to look all respectable when they decline me for a loan. It's maddening. I don't understand finance I suppose. I guess I'll just wait a few more weeks til I have the cash for a new computer. What should i do then, try to get a credit card, then pay with credit card, then take the cash I had in my pocket anyway and pay off the credit card, thus trying to build credit? It's a really stupid roundabout way of doing things. I really don't want to play this game, but I guess I have no choice. I wonder what I ought to do...
post #2 of 11
You should absolutely try to get a Visa or Mastercard. Apple may use a lender whose criteria is very strict. If you are able to do this, do not pay it off too soon. Pay it on time for about a year. Try to get a department store and/or gasoline credit card as well. Run up some modest balances and pay them on time as well for about a year. Assuming residency is stable and income is the same or increases, you should then be well on your way to a good credit rating. BTW- If there were special circumstances that caused late payments, you can send the three credit bureaus a letter explaining what happened and ask them to attach it to your file, so anyone doing an inquiry will see the letter.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Stuigi, thanks for the advice. I guess that's what I'll have to do. It's like starting all over though. It sucks. I used to have good credit. Maybe I should run a credit check on myself and see what I find. Still, I need to quit putting it off.

I really want that computer though. This one is so obsolete it's killing me.
post #4 of 11
Did they tell you your score? You have the right to know the exact reason for the turndown.
post #5 of 11
Just curious - what's wrong with your current computer?

I primarily use my old Pentium 111 laptop for surfing and downloading and some routine tasks, and the other day I was close to throwing it out - it couldn't even play a song properly. Task Manager wasn't showing it running amok with some conflict or other. My WinPatrol program which has fixed up numerous Pentium11 computers wasn't showing anything untoward either. But it's performance was hopeless, I was having to wait many minutes to transfer photos to a USB stick, but I could do the same in seconds on my newer computer. I'd upgraded it's memory to 512Mbytes of RAM earlier in the year, but it was behaving worse than when it only had 256 Mbytes.

So I wiped everything and did a clean install - its performance increased dramatically - and it is now humming along. I suspect the problem lay with one of Skype, Gizmo, E-Bay toolbar or the drivers from a USB phone that I'd installed and then supposedly uninstalled.

Of course this may all be irrelevant to you, but I mention it as I've come across many frustrated people ready to ditch their perfectly satisfactory - for what they wanted to do - computers, when there was really nothing wrong with the computers themselves.
Renato
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renato

Just curious - what's wrong with your current computer?



My current computer is an OLD iMac-- cathode ray tube monitor. My brother loaned it to me. It has OS 9.

It has no memory. Everytime I go to a page it comes up "error. unable to play shockwave. increase memory."

It's really annoying. It locks up all the time. Worst of all, the CD-Rom drive is broken, so it won't accept CDs/DVDs. All I can do on it is half-assedly browse the internet. I'm tired of it. I want to do more. Also I want to get a new iMac so I can mess around with computer audio recording through Garageband and the like.

Plus another thing about this computer that bugs me (and THIS might just be my ignorance), but many times I have been typing a super long PM, email, or post... and my pinky accidentally hits the "clear" button, and all my hours of work is instantly deleted for good. I have searched high and low for an undo function, but there appears to be none. Seriously, this computer is giving me high blood pressure. I want to put my fist through the screen. It's probably almost 10 years old. I deserve to get a REAL computer. It's time. I could easily go out tomorrow and afford to buy a really nice PC, but I've got my heart set on a new iMac, so that's what it'll be. If i have to wait then I will.

My brother bought a Sony Vaio and the hard drive crapped out on it. I had my iTunes on his computer, so even though he got a new hard drive, I haven't reinstalled the iTunes yet from the backup discs. And it makes me mad--I haven't been able to add anything to my iPod for like 4 months, because my brother got all chickensh*t after getting a new hard drive and said he didn't want my iTunes on his hard drive anymore--Which pisses me off because I'm the one who actually BUYS all the CDs, and then he borrows them and listens to them in his car (getting scratches on them-- I told him to just get an iPod, but he won't do it). I can't listen to CD's in my car, because the CD player is broken-- I can only listen to my iPod, via the radio transmitter (which I love). But it's not fair that I spend a fortune on new CDs and can't listen to them in the car, while my brother takes the CD's, burns them, and has free music for his car.

So screw it. I'm going to get a new computer so I can put my iTunes on it, among other things.
post #7 of 11
Here I am Indie,
31 myself and never had debts in my whole life since last year. Here Credit Cards are not so used as in US (where even the morning coffee is usually payed with credit cards...); I've not owned yet an account since three years ago as I was a "living with mom&dad" university student. I've got a debit card and even don't use so often it. Last year I bought my new car (my 10yo one was a gift from my parents) and wanted to proudly pay it myself so made a debt with Wolkswagen Bank. I didn't face any trouble about it as they only asked me my salary bill for having it, and I know many stores of different kind (computers, household appliances, etc...) have this kind of financial service. So first impression with small loans was absolutely positive. (From your post I've had the impression that this kind of loan is a bit more easily accessible in Europe than in US, am I wrong?)
Now I'm buying my first apartment and you cannot even imagine how these jerks make a complete X-ray exam of you and your family starting from 20 years before until now! They are filthy usurers, as you say, and, if when they advertise their services you can access a loan for every kind of amount easily and fastly, when you really need the bucks it's like opening the Pandora's vase. Thousands of troubles, time lost for interviews, tons of documents to provide, and after all they make you feel like a wretched man. They pretend you to raise a mortgage far higher than your loan, but the most absurde thing is they grumble about your salary not being high enough for your loan as they don't want you to have an instalment higher than 1/3 of your salary. Wtf is this absurde rule? If I want to live asking charity and spending all my salary on paying my debts it's up to me! Wtf they want more from me??? However I finally will obtain the money I need, but I'm absolutely pissed off with this system! So I perfectly understand what's your feeling! Don't bother your head about it as they don't deserve it! Hope you will find a solution for buying your new iMac!
post #8 of 11
I am using the original iMac(233 MHZ) at this moment. I put in a 256 MB memory chip and am running OS 9.2.2. The only problems I have are the slow downloading of my messages here and opening of eBay pages, and system crashes. I got the owner of my company to give me a 2.5 GHZ PC so I have to reconnect everything this weekend. My GF is using a Mac G4 with a Firefox browser and it is really cool. She does iTunes and iPhoto quite well. If you can get a new Mac, that is the way to go.
post #9 of 11
As a 20" Core Duo iMac owner, I know that the Apple Credit Account is typically a ripoff anyway. My advice: Look for one of the good credit card deals, apply, and then use it to buy your new iMac.

I know that Chase has a good 0% introductory APR offer with their basic Visa platinum card. Likewise, American Express' Blue card has 0% APR for up to 15 months (and a nice rewards program). Both cards have no annual fee.

Finally, you're entitled by US law to a free annual credit report every 12 months at www.annualcreditreport.com.
post #10 of 11
The earlier advice about getting credit cards and re-establishing history is good advice. Look at it this way: all you have to do is be clean for 7 years and your bad stuff falls off. It seems like a long time but it isn't your entire life.

As another member noted, if you are refused credit, that entitles you to a copy of your credit report from the agency that provided the rating. But on the annual credit report you're already entitled. You may want to look on www.myfico.com to get your credit score. That is the Fair&Isaac score, one of the most commonly used.

To find plastic, you can look on:
a) www.cardweb.com
b) www.bankrate.com
c) www.fatwallet.com

Credit is like computer work: one oh-shit is worth a hundred attaboys.

Hope this helps
post #11 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indie_Guy

My current computer is an OLD iMac-- cathode ray tube monitor. My brother loaned it to me. It has OS 9.

It has no memory. Everytime I go to a page it comes up "error. unable to play shockwave. increase memory."

It's really annoying. It locks up all the time. Worst of all, the CD-Rom drive is broken, so it won't accept CDs/DVDs. All I can do on it is half-assedly browse the internet. I'm tired of it. I want to do more. Also I want to get a new iMac so I can mess around with computer audio recording through Garageband and the like.

Plus another thing about this computer that bugs me (and THIS might just be my ignorance), but many times I have been typing a super long PM, email, or post... and my pinky accidentally hits the "clear" button, and all my hours of work is instantly deleted for good.

So screw it. I'm going to get a new computer so I can put my iTunes on it, among other things.

If it were a PC you could spend a few bucks and easily put in a new DVD reader/CD Burner youself, or a few tens of dollars more for a DVD burner, though extra memory may be cheap or expensive depending on which type it was. But I know nothing about Macs.

I've got to ask the obvious question though - are you sure the new iMac doesn't have this useless Clear key? If it did, why would you get it when PCs don't have one?
Renato
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