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post #1 of 38
7/2/06 at 1:43pm
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Oh yes, the red wine...How much do you like it, and most importantly, do you have any great recommendations to give me!??!

I love this drink myself, and my biggest favourite use to be wine called Moose Crown; it was an American(!) wine...It was velvety, tasty and sooo smooth!
Unfortunetly, that is not been imported to Finland anymore.

From wines that are available, my biggest fav at the moment has to be South African juice called Intulo. Smooth, rounded and very aromatic for it`s price.
I also love Versus from SA too; that is quite sharp, "leathery" and dark...

Have you got any red wine favourites?
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post #2 of 38
7/2/06 at 8:47pm
I'm on a limited budget...and I love red wine. My wine of choice is Yellow-Tail Shiraz.
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post #3 of 38
7/2/06 at 9:41pm
I really like sweet, red wine like Chianti or (no laughing, please) Lambrusco. I know that they're probably not considered "real" wine by experts I don't give a frog's fat ass...to me, they are heaven.
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post #4 of 38
7/2/06 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by tinker424

I really like sweet, red wine like Chianti or (no laughing, please) Lambrusco. I know that they're probably not considered "real" wine by experts I don't give a frog's fat ass...to me, they are heaven.

Chianti isn't crap!

I have at least three different years of Ducale Riserva chianti in my cellar, I discovered it in a *very* nice Italian restaurant in Philadelphia. I really like it.

A recent favorite has been a very niche wine. It's a DeChaunac which is only grown in Canada and some part of the US. There's a little winery near Johnstown, Pennsylvania called Glade's Pike that make a nice wine with some Erie grapes (their own vines aren't old enough to yield yet). It's almost like a beaujolais, sweet and fruity to be drunk young. I've still got a couple of bottles from the case I got at Christmas.
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post #5 of 38
7/3/06 at 2:18am
E. & J. Gallo is my favourite. The last weeks though I started drinking white wine again. Absolutely fantastic in hot weather, but for some reasons my stomach hurts afterwards ....

Probably I stay with water these days ....
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post #6 of 38
7/3/06 at 2:35am
I like red wine a lot! I'm not so pretentious to be called an expert, but ya know, Italy produces so many good ones! probably some of the world's best ones!
I really like many of them from Marzemino (which has a sort of rose smell in it...) to the more aristocratic Barolo, and also many from sicily and south italy like some Nero d'Avola or some Corvo. Fabulous ones are also from the center Italy like Morellino di Scansano and the precious Brunello di Montalcino, but this one deserves for sure the right occasion!
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post #7 of 38
7/3/06 at 11:46pm
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Thank you all for your replies. Keep them coming now, because to me at least this is very yummy kind of thread /subject!


Hey btw, I think this question would make an interesting addition for this matter: What is the most expensive bottle of wine (red/white) that you have ever bought???
I know, wines cost very much in different ways, depending on where do you happen to live...(for instance, wine in Finland is quite expensive overall)

But still, how much have you wasted money for the bottle of wine??

I myself have to admit, that although I have drunk quite many ones in my life, the most expensive bottle has been only about 8,50euros...

Many times I have been thinking about buyin me some really expensive one, just to see the difference between the quality- if there even is such a thing!

Yep, someday I will definitely do it: I`ll put at least 20-25euros for a bottle, and see what`s the deal...

Can anyone tell any differences between cheaper, and more expensive wines..? Any experiences??


edit: correction of some words...again. My english is just crap today!
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post #8 of 38
7/5/06 at 7:30am
I enjoy red wine very much, but tend to get an instant headache if I have more than two glasses. (If I ignore that headache and drink some more glasses, the pain vanishes, tho...)
Know what tastes good? Red wine mixed with Seven Up! (Not along with food)
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post #9 of 38
7/5/06 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by musse

Know what tastes good? Red wine mixed with Seven Up! (Not along with food)

What?!! LOL! Musse, once again you show us some distictive taste!

I couldn`t mix my red wine with anything else. Heck, I haven`t never even drunk Róse wine!
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post #10 of 38
7/5/06 at 8:29am
I like to mix red wine with coca cola. Especially when i'm abroad and bought a disgusting bottle. LOL!
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post #11 of 38
7/5/06 at 9:45am
today i am trying a chilean wine: carmenère -castillo de molina 2003 ...it's very good!
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post #12 of 38
7/9/06 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by musse

I enjoy red wine very much, but tend to get an instant headache if I have more than two glasses. (If I ignore that headache and drink some more glasses, the pain vanishes, tho...)
Know what tastes good? Red wine mixed with Seven Up! (Not along with food)

You're a very sick woman and I love you.

(next time I mix Red Bull or Vodka with 7-up I'll think of you.)

PM: For me, I love the Bourdeaux reds, esp those from Margoux or St. Julien. What's the most I spent? I dunno, when I was younger and better employed, I'd wine and dine some babe at a 5 star restaurant as I threw hundred dollar bills in the air: Gypsies, play on!

No wonder I'm broke.
Oh, yeah--and on a diet.
Haven't quite achieved monogamy, but I'm working on it.

Here in S. Cal there's always some special red on sale from the Central Napa/Sonoma valley awaiting discovery.
BTW did you ever see " Sideways? " Very funny movie. Just don't believe what the lead character says about Merlot. It really can be a good wine.

Cheers,

Mario, the poor and sober.
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post #13 of 38
7/9/06 at 10:52pm
Wow, what a massive topic to undertake! It could occupy another board altogether. I've been drinking and "collecting" (yeah right - I drink them too fast!) wine for about 6 years now. My little addiction started when I lived in CA, an easy place to get hooked on wine.

Right now my favorites are coming from Washington state here in the US (usually Cabernets - with two of my fave wineries being L'Ecole no.41 and Chateau Ste. Michelle). I've also found many good buys on wines from Chile and Argentina - they are making some nice wines these days. Concha Y Toro is a good bet. I like their Carmenere, the Diablo one is a great value wine. The Malbecs are usually pretty good from this region. I also like the Cab from a winery named Veramonte. Again, a very good value.

Italy has been good to me lately as well. The Nero d'Avolas and Primitivos I usually like. I read somewhere recently that some of the best values in wine are coming from southern Italy. I just had a bottle of Syrah from Sicily that was very good.

All that said, if you are just getting into red wine a good place to start is Australia - their reds are no-nonsense, easy-drinking, fruit forward, strong/rich, and inexpensive, at least the ones from the bigger makers like Penfolds (my personal fave from Australia) and Jacob's Creek. Try some of those first. Yellow Tail is a bit sweeter and from what I was told was specifically made for and targeted to the tastes of the US market (i.e., sweet).

Also, another good starting place is Beaujolais from France. Check out Georges Duboeuf. Again, fruit-forward, easy to drink, and pretty inexpensive. A good place to get your feet, er tongue, wet.

Drinking red wine is a lot like sniffing frags. The more you drink the better able you will be to pick out individual notes and see the subtle differences between grapes and regions...Enjoy!
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post #14 of 38
7/12/06 at 11:05am
It's all about the Franzia! $14 for 5 liters, the value can't be beat! That will get about 10 people drunk, which equates to little more than a dollar per person. Of course people should know better than to get wasted off of cheap, sweet wine. There is probably no better way to get a hangover.

For actually good wine? I like Gato Negro, which I'm 99% sure comes from Chile. Fairly cheap (maybe $8 a bottle), but goes well with a nice cut of meat.
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post #15 of 38
7/12/06 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by The_Giraffe

I like Gato Negro, which I'm 99% sure comes from Chile.

I have drunk this few bottles in my life, and I`m 100% sure it is from Chile.

Nice cats in the etiquette, both in Merlot & Sauvignon. (red & blue)
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post #16 of 38
7/15/06 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by robyogi

Wow, what a massive topic to undertake! It could occupy another board altogether. I've been drinking and "collecting" (yeah right - I drink them too fast!) wine for about 6 years now. My little addiction started when I lived in CA, an easy place to get hooked on wine.

Right now my favorites are coming from Washington state here in the US (usually Cabernets - with two of my fave wineries being L'Ecole no.41 and Chateau Ste. Michelle). I've also found many good buys on wines from Chile and Argentina - they are making some nice wines these days. Concha Y Toro is a good bet. I like their Carmenere, the Diablo one is a great value wine. The Malbecs are usually pretty good from this region. I also like the Cab from a winery named Veramonte. Again, a very good value.

Italy has been good to me lately as well. The Nero d'Avolas and Primitivos I usually like. I read somewhere recently that some of the best values in wine are coming from southern Italy. I just had a bottle of Syrah from Sicily that was very good.

All that said, if you are just getting into red wine a good place to start is Australia - their reds are no-nonsense, easy-drinking, fruit forward, strong/rich, and inexpensive, at least the ones from the bigger makers like Penfolds (my personal fave from Australia) and Jacob's Creek. Try some of those first. Yellow Tail is a bit sweeter and from what I was told was specifically made for and targeted to the tastes of the US market (i.e., sweet).

Also, another good starting place is Beaujolais from France. Check out Georges Duboeuf. Again, fruit-forward, easy to drink, and pretty inexpensive. A good place to get your feet, er tongue, wet.

Drinking red wine is a lot like sniffing frags. The more you drink the better able you will be to pick out individual notes and see the subtle differences between grapes and regions...Enjoy!

you obviously know your wines and as you say a truly massive subject to cover in addition to your recommendations look out for rioja from 2001 as this was one of the finest vintages for years as you say southern italy is turning up some really good quality ones at the moment ,jumilla is another region in spain coming on strong another cheap favourite of mine is the malbec from argento in argentina but if you can find them in the states wines from the d'arenberg winery in australia costing from around £6.00 up to £30.00 maybe more for special limited editions are imo outstanding ,easy to drink for newbies and loads in there for more seasoned drinkers the laughing magpie is my favourite a blend of shiraz and voignier which really works about £11.99 i think the last time .p.s if you're new dont order a bottle of penfolds grange the first time cos the price will probably give you a heart attack.
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post #17 of 38
7/16/06 at 3:18am
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Yesterday, I tasted Argentinian wine called Trivento (Tribu Bonarda). Yum yum yum!!!

Full-bodied and extremely smooth with great taste. If you pump into this one, give it a try, everyone!
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post #18 of 38
7/16/06 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by Magnifiscent

I like red wine a lot! I'm not so pretentious to be called an expert, but ya know, Italy produces so many good ones! probably some of the world's best ones!
I really like many of them from Marzemino (which has a sort of rose smell in it...) to the more aristocratic Barolo, and also many from sicily and south italy like some Nero d'Avola or some Corvo. Fabulous ones are also from the center Italy like Morellino di Scansano and the precious Brunello di Montalcino, but this one deserves for sure the right occasion!

Hi Murderer! (I just like saying that)

To follow up on Magnifiscent's point, if you like chianti, Ruffino Chianti Classico is great, although a bit expensive. Fairly dry and delicious. Other Ruffinos would be worth trying, too, and might be less expensive.

I'm definitely biased towards red wine. Although white wine also tastes great, red wine seems to agree better with my body. It's probably because I'm a flamenco guitarist, and those who know flamenco know that vino tinto is the wine of choice!
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post #19 of 38
11/15/06 at 4:42pm
Hi Pigeon Murderer

I'm thinking of starting a thread on wine bouquet/frag matches and found this. Great thread!

I'll keep this short(ish) and limit it to European wines (though some of the best wines I've had this year have been from California, and I'm promised some quality Argentinian next week, and we haven't even mentioned New Zealand Pinot Noir ... etc etc ...)

Price - (especially if you are paying Finnish alcohol taxes ) - best to avoid the 'name' areas (Bordeaux, Burgundy, Chianti Classico, Rioja) they can be wonderful but value for money is often poor. Italy - Sicily and Puglia have improved massively. France - Pays d'Oc (and I'd support the Duboeuf recommendation above). Portugal - supposed to be a rising star but all the table wines I've tried still taste like earth, only rougher. Spain - Jumilla is a good recommendation, but ...

Style - you mention smooth, rounded, aromatic and leathery as preferences - which shout 'Rioja' to me. Just next door though is Navarra, a big producer, same dominant grape (Tempranillo), similar soil and climate as Rioja, but you can get a real quality version (Reserva, Gran Reserva) for the same price as the most ordinary Rioja - 5-6 sterling.

On the whole, I think Spain has been the European star for producing approachable, balanced, well-priced red wine for at least the past 3-4 years.

Bottoms-up!
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post #20 of 38
11/15/06 at 5:09pm
Whilst I'm on the subject (I had to go and open a bottle of Navarra reserva after posting the above)

1. The wine that told me I had developed a wine nose (like I am starting developing my frag nose!) was from Lebanon, of all places - Chateau Musar (French style, heavy on Cabernet Franc, halfway between Bordeaux and Burgundy). I've had a dozen bottles over the years but the first was a revelation. It cost 12 sterling in 1998 (much more now) but as it had more complexity and harmony and mystery than any French wine costing twice that (I don't go above £25 for anything I can drink over two courses), it qualifies as the greatest single bottle I've ever had. I can smell the perfume of the last glass of that bottle even now.

2. Get a wine encylopedia - there are dozens on the market. Robert Parker's looks very expensive and focused on the elite. Jancis Clarke has a good one. My favorite is Oz Clarke (a poor broadcaster but good writer). They give great background and tasting notes.

Have you had any favorites since July?
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post #21 of 38
11/15/06 at 6:33pm
Have you guys not tried sangria? It's basically a bottle of red wine mixed 1:1 ratio with either soda water or sprite or 7up with cut up fruit (oranges, lemon, strawberries, starfruit, pineapple, pretty much any kind of bright tasting fruit) thrown in and stirred to mix it up! Very nice summer cocktail. Discovered it in Spain

Hmmm.. I'm still stuck on last year's (or was it the year before?) Australian craze. I really like Hardy's Bankside Shiraz. Very, very nice. EXCELLENT value, too. Can get a bottle for ~$17CAN. Excellent. I'm a student so... this is really all I can afford, though I don't want to completely cheap out either. So for the quality of this wine, it's VERY VERY VERY good value. It's a good, rich, robust yet smooth red that pairs very well with lamb or steak.

My favorites, however, are French cabernet sauvignons from the region of Bordeaux in the years of 1999-2001 (can't afford the 1989-1991 variety, let alone the 1960's variety ). These'll set you back $70-$400+ per bottle. Don't get me wrong, I've never bought these myself but my father has so I've tried these at dinners when he decides to crack one open. The great thing about this upcoming 2007 year is that some of the wines from 99 are at their peak (in aging) or VERY close to it so he's going to be opening these bottles more and more often I guess it's more reason to go home and visit my parents.

One final noteworthy wine: I was in this restaurant in Madrid and their house wine was EXCELLENT! The best Spanish wine I've tried and the best house wine served ever! I keep kicking myself for forgetting to jot down the winery / year / etc. But believe me, it was truly excellent.
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post #22 of 38
11/15/06 at 8:48pm
[QUOTE=myaccolades]Have you guys not tried sangria? It's basically a bottle of red wine mixed 1:1 ratio with either soda water or sprite or 7up with cut up fruit (oranges, lemon, strawberries, starfruit, pineapple, pretty much any kind of bright tasting fruit) thrown in and stirred to mix it up! Very nice summer cocktail. Discovered it in Spain]


They use something called Casera or Gaseosa - it is lemony and fizzy but it's not so sweet as to screw-up the whole thing.


[My favorites, however, are French cabernet sauvignons from the region of Bordeaux in the years of 1999-2001 (can't afford the 1989-1991 variety, let alone the 1960's variety ). These'll set you back $70-$400+ per bottle. Don't get me wrong, I've never bought these myself but my father has so I've tried these at dinners when he decides to crack one open. The great thing about this upcoming 2007 year is that some of the wines from 99 are at their peak (in aging) or VERY close to it so he's going to be opening these bottles more and more often I guess it's more reason to go home and visit my parents.]

Can I come round your house (maybe 2008 for the 2000 vintage!)?
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post #23 of 38
11/15/06 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by myaccolades

Have you guys not tried sangria? It's basically a bottle of red wine mixed 1:1 ratio with either soda water or sprite or 7up with cut up fruit (oranges, lemon, strawberries, starfruit, pineapple, pretty much any kind of bright tasting fruit) thrown in and stirred to mix it up! Very nice summer cocktail. Discovered it in Spain]


They use something called Casera or Gaseosa - it is lemony and fizzy but it's not so sweet as to screw-up the whole thing.

Ah, I didn't know this. Thanks for the enlightenment! : ) At home, we tend to just use Sprite or tonic water (a little floral/fruity and fizzy! Not very sweet at all). I guess the use of Sprite appeals to a lot of ppl more because it's sweeter so it's good for first timers.

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Originally Posted by michaeld39

[My favorites, however, are French cabernet sauvignons from the region of Bordeaux in the years of 1999-2001 (can't afford the 1989-1991 variety, let alone the 1960's variety ). These'll set you back $70-$400+ per bottle. Don't get me wrong, I've never bought these myself but my father has so I've tried these at dinners when he decides to crack one open. The great thing about this upcoming 2007 year is that some of the wines from 99 are at their peak (in aging) or VERY close to it so he's going to be opening these bottles more and more often I guess it's more reason to go home and visit my parents.]

Can I come round your house (maybe 2008 for the 2000 vintage!)?

haha yes, if you are willing to make the trip from Sunny Lancashire
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post #24 of 38
11/16/06 at 12:24am
Just as is the case with beer (there's only Belgian beer, the rest is just a poor excuse), the same goes for wine: the only good wine is French wine

Nothing beats Corton Charlemagne, Pétrus or Cheval Blanc... ofcourse the prices are absurd
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post #25 of 38
11/16/06 at 3:12am
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Well, nice to have you michaeld39 to bring this thread up again, and sharing nice, informative read.

Still at this moment, Versus (South Africa) is by far my favourite wine. I`d even say it is my small Holy Grail of wines!

It is cheap (5,79e), yes, but everytime I drink it the taste manages to suprise me with it`s rich, aromatic taste. It has great edge to it. It is very dark and brooding wine with slightly leathery bite, and for the price it is a real treasure, and I just can`t get enough of it.
Intulo (SA) is a another great one. (more fruity and rounded)

Btw, I noticed that there is a very interesting new red wine at my local store, and I`ve decided to go for that one this weekend...
It is a called Saperavi, and it comes from Georgia(!), Teliani Valley, Kakheti. Sounds very exotic and fascinating!

8,94euros a bottle, so it is not too expensive for me. I hope it`s good.
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post #26 of 38
11/16/06 at 3:18am
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And btw michaeld39, I guess you could be interested with this, too...It`s a thread I started just a few weeks ago.
http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=187937

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post #27 of 38
11/16/06 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by apekrul

Just as is the case with beer (there's only Belgian beer, the rest is just a poor excuse), the same goes for wine: the only good wine is French wine


I strongly disagree, obviously!!!
I could eventually pass it about champagne, but nowadays italian sparkling whites from Franciacorta are worth competitors of French ones... Also with the absurd prices naturally...
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post #28 of 38
11/17/06 at 2:52pm
Chateau Jonq-Blanc Bordeaux 2002. $12. a bottle around here. sort of has a mineral base to it. satisfying table wine.
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post #29 of 38
11/17/06 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by Cognoscento

Hi Murderer! (I just like saying that)

To follow up on Magnifiscent's point, if you like chianti, Ruffino Chianti Classico is great, although a bit expensive. Fairly dry and delicious. Other Ruffinos would be worth trying, too, and might be less expensive.

I'm definitely biased towards red wine. Although white wine also tastes great, red wine seems to agree better with my body. It's probably because I'm a flamenco guitarist, and those who know flamenco know that vino tinto is the wine of choice!

I also second the Chianti recommendation above. And Francis Ford Coppolla Classico (I think) is a nice blend of red that is not too pricey.
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post #30 of 38
11/17/06 at 3:21pm
Just gone to a gourmand fair and bought a small stock of Amarone di Valpolicella for Xmas holidays! It's divine, sooo deep and intense in flavours and perfumes!
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post #31 of 38
11/17/06 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by PigeonMurderer

Still at this moment, Versus (South Africa) is by far my favourite wine. I`d even say it is my small Holy Grail of wines!


Hehheh, this is sort of a strange comment as I mentioned in my first post that Intulo was my favourite wine. I just noticed that.

So, Versus has become my favourite wine after I started this thread, but I still love also Intulo very much.

Just few hours ago we came down from shopping, and of course, I bought few bottles of this "nectar of gods"...

This evening I`ve been getting drunk with Bulgarian wine called "Menada". Very good, went down well with assorted collection of stinky mold cheeses.
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post #32 of 38
11/17/06 at 5:34pm
I really shouldn't work weekends - it is no fun at all. Tonight I have had a glass of Touraine Sauvignon - very lovely but hardly suitable for November. The upside is that by Sunday afternoon I will deserve a treat and will have the last of my Burgundy supply from my last trip to France.

Apekrul - true, Belgian beer is very special, but I've been on a tour of a Belgian vineyard. The maxim that you cannot be good at everything rings true

Magnifiscent - I am really ignorant of Italian wines but I am getting some Amarone and Barolo next week and am looking forward to them very much. I agree with your champagne comments - there is some real competition now. I know this may be hard to believe but English sparkling wine has become seriously good.

Pigeon Murderer - what a star! Thanks for the link to your previous thread. I wish I were more experienced with fragrance so that I could contribute - ah well I suppose it may come in time.

I don't know the South African wines that you mention - but I do like Shiraz wines from SA and Pinotage (the 'native' grape) is wonderfully fragrant.

Don't even start with the cheese - that a whole new thread!!
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post #33 of 38
11/17/06 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by PigeonMurderer

This evening I`ve been getting drunk with Bulgarian wine called "Menada". Very good, went down well with assorted collection of stinky mold cheeses.

I'm doin' a solitary wine and cheese party myself this evening. Actually, you didn't say you were solitary, but I just assumed... Sorry, if I'm wrong.
I have two very runny triple cremes and bottle of Big House Red, which is American. I had heard good things about it, but I'm not impressed. I think I would have been happier with the $9 CAN Bonal (Spanish, I think).
Live and learn.
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post #34 of 38
11/19/06 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by michaeld39

Apekrul - true, Belgian beer is very special, but I've been on a tour of a Belgian vineyard. The maxim that you cannot be good at everything rings true

Certainly! I'm not saying Belgian wine is any good... we don't have the climate for decent grapes

What I ám proud of is:



and (beer of the year)

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post #35 of 38
11/20/06 at 11:29pm
A little update from me i advise anybody to try the wines of concha y toro the cabernet sauvignon comes in at about £5.79 in the uk and has got to be one of the best value cabernets in the world right now.
From Spain there is the the white wine made from the albahrino grape which is very nice indeed ,but for me Australia is still the safest bet for consistent reasonably priced quality wines they excel in making gluggers around the £5 to £6 mark that are almost supernaturally consistent but for me if you are prepared to go the little extra and pay £9 to 12 for a bottle that's where you start getting the individuality of the wine areas starting to come through and some really excellent wines can be had around this price.
I also concur with the opinion on the prosecco coming out of northern italy as being a lot better than a lot of the cheaper champagnes from france and also i too love amarone that bitter sweet black cherry flavour it gets from drying the grapes in the sun is awesome and regarding the question about the most anybody as spent on wine for me i can't remember the exact price but it was for a brunello di montalcino in a restaurant in Florence which i remember with 2 bistecca di fiorentina dessert ,and coffee costing over half the total bill very big and bold stuff.
I 've never had the pleasure of drinking petrus or any of the fine bordeaux wines or any of the top class burgundies but if anyone on here has tried them what are they like and are they worth the outrageous prices?
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post #36 of 38
11/20/06 at 11:59pm
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Originally Posted by fenton_t_fox

I 've never had the pleasure of drinking petrus or any of the fine bordeaux wines or any of the top class burgundies but if anyone on here has tried them what are they like and are they worth the outrageous prices?

I've had the pleasure to taste a few +100 wines and I must say they were very nice but certainly not twice as good as a 50 bottle, which is about the maximum I'm willing to spend.

Petrus is yet another story... never tasted it and probably never will
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post #37 of 38
11/21/06 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by fenton_t_fox

I 've never had the pleasure of drinking petrus or any of the fine bordeaux wines or any of the top class burgundies but if anyone on here has tried them what are they like and are they worth the outrageous prices?

Bordeaux. Probably my favorite French region. Burgundy is verrry fine too. I find these two locations pump out excellent full bodied and robust wines with great body and aroma. But of course they need many years on them before they reach their prime but once they do, they're very, very good.

Then again, it depends on which winery you purchase from and which vintage as well. I find that age REALLY helps smooth out the edges of these wines as the younger examples (2001+) can be a bit tart. I'm not a fan of that "young taste" so I stick with the older variety - at a costly expense, of course.

I read up there (forgot who posted it) that Australia puts out very good value and consistant wines and I agree. My "to go" wine (not literally, just the wine of my choice when I really don't know what to pick) is Hardy's Bankside Shiraz. It goes for about 17$CAN. Very, very good value.


I also noticed the comment of comparing a 100$ of wine to a 50$ bottle and not getting "double the performance for double the price." There aren't many things in life where you get double the performance for double the price. The value:cost ratio decreases dramatically the "higher you go up." Theoretically: What's the difference between a million dollar car and a 700K car? Hmmm, about 5mph and $300000. One goes 210mph and the other 205mph. You're paying $60000 per mph increase. But that's talking about the upper end of the scale. When you look at the lower end, what's the difference between a $25k car and a $50k car? One is probably 180hp while the other is around 300hp. So you get a lot more hp/extra dollar spent.

I'm procrastinating. Thus the explanation
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12/3/06 at 12:24pm
Well, I was going to list a 1787 Chateau Lafite Bourdeaux, it sold at Christie's auction for $160,000 in 1985 but I thought it might be overkill . . .besides more expensive bottles of wine have been sold since then, but they weren't reds.

(Still, it's a nice factoid to have on hand the next time someone gives you grief over spending too much $ on frags)

So I thought I'd content us all by simply sharing:

http://damngoodwine.com/nuGregTalks.htm

Cheers,

Mario.
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