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post #1 of 15
7/20/06 at 7:18am
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...without the screw off caps? Is it possible to open them and reseal them without the cap looking all messed up?

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post #2 of 15
7/20/06 at 7:58am
You don't. Are you wanting to decant something? If so, you just spray into the decant vials.
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post #3 of 15
7/20/06 at 10:32am
Indeed, I was always wondering - how do people decant from spray bottles? Spraying into the decant bottle gets pretty tedious quickly.
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post #4 of 15
7/20/06 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by xilonic

Indeed, I was always wondering - how do people decant from spray bottles? Spraying into the decant bottle gets pretty tedious quickly.


Yeah....but you don't EVER want to take off that cap/sprayer.

Your finger will get used to it. ::

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Whew...one milliliter down...nine to go!

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post #5 of 15
7/20/06 at 10:54am
Some of us call this procedure "milking the snake" since it is reminiscent of extracting venom into a vial from a fanged serpent.

There is supposed to be a standing article available to members: See basenotes home page "Forum Highlights--How to Decant." But the link is no longer valid, nor is the original text to be found even when searching through all of the threads I've started. Argh. I wish I could organize some of this stuff for Grant. [F-R-U-S-T-R-A-T-I-O-N overflows.]

Click here to read one thread about opening/resealing crimped-on sprayers.
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post #6 of 15
7/20/06 at 11:12am
There's no way, Mentallo. You take that non-screwing sprayer off and it doesn't go on again.

Sad way it is.
--Chris
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post #7 of 15
7/20/06 at 12:36pm
Its not that bad. I find 40-50 spays fill a 7ml decant. Depends on the sprayer though. I use a funnel so it's not that fiddly. Only takes a couple of minutes.
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post #8 of 15
7/20/06 at 12:47pm
Do you use SEPARATE funnels for each brand of decant you do, or do you somehow clean a single funnel?

Thanks!
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post #9 of 15
7/20/06 at 6:33pm
I would use a funnel only for splash/pour bottles. Cleaning a funnel with water does not work well since water and oils do not mix. Using bleach will clean the funnel, but it is difficult to remove the bleach smell and it is a dangerous substance to use at close range. I have some small squeeze bulb baster type thingies that are perfect for decanting splash/pour bottles. I use one for each of the few such bottles I have so there is no danger of contamination.
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post #10 of 15
7/20/06 at 6:40pm
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I was actually wondering how to take that cap off because I actually wanted to put more juice into the bottle and not take stuff out.
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post #11 of 15
7/20/06 at 7:35pm

It's not strictly true that you can't take the spray mechanism top off and not put it back on. That all depends on whether the spray mechanism and the surrounding material is made of metal or not and on how new and recent your bottle's spray mechanism is. Let me explain. It's a little involved.

You'll notice when you take the neck band off if the entire spray mechanism is made of metal or not. The neck band, suprisingly enough, is the round band that slips over the spray mechanism and hides from view where the spray mechanism connects and is crimped around the neck of the glass bottle. If you take the neck band off, which can be a real bitch, but with a little persistence and the right tools can easily be done, you'll will notice whether or not the entire spray mechanism is made of metal, and if it is made of metal that the metal is crimped around the class bottle. At this point, it is advisable not to try to remove the spray mechanism. First, because it is a major undertaking and, second, because if you remove the spray mechanism, you will depressurize the contents. There's a reason it's crimped, and that is because it is not what you call a natural spray, in which case the whole mechanism can be screwed off or pulled off and which operates by pumping air in when you depress the sprayer so that the air can push the contents of the bottle out. A crimped metal spray mechanism means the bottle is pressurized, which in turn means it operates on the principle that every time you depress the sprayer, you release some of the pressure in the bottle (through a value system) and the juice flows out with the pressurized air.

Now, if you remove the neck band and see that the spray mechanism part that connects around the bottle's neck is plastic, you will realize that the neck band is actually acting as the crimping force and keeps the whole system air tight and means the bottle is not a pressurized one, but a natural spray. In such a case, it's not a screw-on natural spray, like the Gendarme bottles, but a spray mechanism held in place not by crimping as in the case of a entirely metal spray mechanism, but by a plastic spray mechanism that is wedged and held in place by the neck band. In such a case, when you remove the neck band, you will find it quite easy to remove the entire plastic spray mechanism, and this will enable you to add or decant juice. You can then simply click the plastic spray mechanism back over the bottle's neck and secure it with the neck band, which will hold it in place once again. Gucci Envy, Tuscany, Havana, are just a few examples of such a plastic spray mechanism that can be removed and put back together again without any problems.

It's easy to remove the entire spray mechanism once you've removed the neck band and it's just as easy to put it back and secure it again with the said neck band. Since such bottles are natural sprays instead of pressurized sprays, you will be able to spray once again when you put the whole thing back together after taking it apart.

One will find that many modern bottles use this plastic spray mechanism that is secured around the neck of the bottle with the neck band. In all such cases, you should be able to remove the neck and spray mechanism, add or decant juice, put the whole thing back together again, and spray away as if you never touched the bottle in the first place.

I hope this all makes sense.

scentemental


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post #12 of 15
7/21/06 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by vontech

Do you use SEPARATE funnels for each brand of decant you do, or do you somehow clean a single funnel?

Thanks!

seperate funnels, I buy cheap plastic ones. I cant remember, think they were £3.99 for ten on ebay. I keep one in each box with the frag and decant into small atomisers for use. I mostly wear creeds and they need constant refreshing!!
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post #13 of 15
7/21/06 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by stuigi

I would use a funnel only for splash/pour bottles.

I don't get this. With a spray if I dont use a funnel I would lose 70% spraying into a small container. With a funnel its probably about 5%.
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post #14 of 15
7/21/06 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by xilonic

Indeed, I was always wondering - how do people decant from spray bottles? Spraying into the decant bottle gets pretty tedious quickly.

it does, but you get tha hang of it pretty quick. Some sprayers are better than others. Dior Homme is great, dipensing a nice, voluminous stream. The very best I have encountered is L'Eau Par Kenzo. That thing is a fire hose. The most difficult for me have been Bulgari Black and Bulgari Aqua, and nothing makes you understand scentemental's allegation of Creed's sprayers being crappy and low quality like trying to decant without having the thing wiggle and leak all over the place.
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post #15 of 15
7/21/06 at 5:54am
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Originally Posted by scentemental


a natural spray, in which case the whole mechanism can be screwed off or pulled off and which operates by pumping air in when you depress the sprayer so that the air can push the contents of the bottle out.

Another example of this is Geir. If you grab the sprayer tightly, you can unscrew the whole thing, decant with a pipette or syringe, and then rescrew it back on. The spray mechanism itself on Geir is kinda so-so; it "chokes" and gets stuck sometimes, and the juice is so potent that even a fraction of 80 consecurtive sprays escaping the decant vial will make you pass out, so this is my preffered M.O. on Geir decants.
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