Thanks for answering , totally no association with either. Had samples, and the cost, gracious. Finally last night ordered the Frapin1270. I really liked the samples and a nice gal sent me a tiny bottle of it. The POTL was nice but if I am going to spend that money would be another bottle of Ambre Narguile my big favorite along with Chanel Gardenia, thanks, in the middle of a huge snow storm and a sick, dh with swollen lymph nodes and really scared, Today wearing Youth Dew Amber Nude but but a last dab of Frapin on my wrists.