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Scents that don't make sense

post #1 of 32
10/30/07 at 2:59pm
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correct me if I'm wrong on any of these:

sea spray — a lot of questions. Which sea? whereabouts on that sea?

precious woods - this was discussed on the wood thread started today

nostalgic violet - ?

Flint - there were huge slabs of flint sidewalk when i was a kid on my hands and knees. I can't recall an odor.

Grey Amber — ???? Pink amber? what next?
hey slow down, the light is grey

and Water Flower?

these are just some that jump out at me as being a sign of laziness in marketing.
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post #2 of 32
10/30/07 at 3:11pm
My annoying note rant:

Grilled cigarette note - compliments of Comme des Garcons PARFUMS Series 6 Synthetic: Tar

WTF?
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post #3 of 32
10/30/07 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post

My annoying note rant:

Grilled cigarette note - compliments of Comme des Garcons PARFUMS Series 6 Synthetic: Tar

WTF?

Oh man, i love grilled cigarettes with some hot bbq sauce!
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post #4 of 32
10/30/07 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by fredricktoo View Post

correct me if I'm wrong on any of these:

sea spray a lot of questions. Which sea? whereabouts on that sea?

precious woods - this was discussed on the wood thread started today

nostalgic violet - ?

Flint - there were huge slabs of flint sidewalk when i was a kid on my hands and knees. I can't recall an odor.

Grey Amber ???? Pink amber? what next?
hey slow down, the light is grey

and Water Flower?

these are just some that jump out at me as being a sign of laziness in marketing.

I agree with your general point.
Grey amber is an unnecessary translation of amber gris or ambergris as we usually know it or naturally-aged-cuttle-fish-whale-vomit diluted-infusion.
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post #5 of 32
10/30/07 at 3:36pm
Demeter Dirt.
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post #6 of 32
10/30/07 at 5:42pm
frozen anything...vanillaO2, ebony are a few that come to mind
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post #7 of 32
10/30/07 at 6:38pm
Transparent musk...as in Chrome, Bvlgari Pour Homme, & 212 Men.
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post #8 of 32
10/30/07 at 7:19pm
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Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post

I agree with your general point.
Grey amber is an unnecessary translation of amber gris or ambergris as we usually know it or naturally-aged-cuttle-fish-whale-vomit diluted-infusion.

I see it now on wikipedia as an alternative to ambergris. Thanks Hirsch. I would have never made the association.
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post #9 of 32
10/30/07 at 7:55pm
Most of those scents are synthetics (with the possible exceptions of grey amber, which usually means ambergris, like someone already mentioned).

I think it's the best they can do to come up with names for new aroma chemicals. Marketing the scent under it's scientific name wouldn't be very appealing to the consumer.

When a new aroma chemical is discovered/created, someone has to decide what it (kinda) smells like. The chemical used to create that gun flint note in Terre D'Hermes, for example, isn't from real flint (of course), but it has a metallic smell, so they decided to call it gun flint for marketing purposes (instead of it's scientific name, which is probably something like "Isonomer 24").
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post #10 of 32
10/30/07 at 8:11pm
Vera Wang Princess has some strange sounding notes:

Water Lily, Lady Apple, Mandarin Meringue, Golden Apricot Skin, Ripe Pink Guava, Tahitian Flower, Wild Tuberose, Dark Chocolate, Pink Frosting Accord, Precious Amber, Forbidden Woods, Royal Musk Captive, Chiffon Vanilla.
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post #11 of 32
10/30/07 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by Maxwell View Post

Most of those scents are synthetics (with the possible exceptions of grey amber, which usually means ambergris, like someone already mentioned).

I think it's the best they can do to come up with names for new aroma chemicals. Marketing the scent under it's scientific name wouldn't be very appealing to the consumer.

When a new aroma chemical is discovered/created, someone has to decide what it (kinda) smells like. The chemical used to create that gun flint note in Terre D'Hermes, for example, isn't from real flint (of course), but it has a metallic smell, so they decided to call it gun flint for marketing purposes (instead of it's scientific name, which is probably something like "Isonomer 24").

Gun flint is flint. We're not saying that the aroma is the result of using gun flint to spark gun powder. The only association with flint and fragrance that I could find is that of flinty soil to the wines produced on it.
I certainly don't have a problem with chemical formulations in my fragrances but the use of names for fragrances like flint and water flower I believe is used to lure the naive or the deliberately naive. Grey Amber seems to be a bastardization of ambergris and thats a lot easier to accept than listing flint as a fragrance. Unless flint is an old perfumers name for something else.

this batch that beachroses posts is typical of what is being used to describe fragrances.

"Lady Apple, Tahitian Flower, Pink Frosting Accord, Forbidden Woods, Royal Musk Captive"

It's hard for me to get an idea of what I'm going to smell like if I applied these.

I hope to find out that all the names on this thread are actually meaningful rather than the hucksters typical use of language to squeeze the public and sell low quality or ingredients everybody is familiar with and probably disgusted with by now.
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post #12 of 32
10/30/07 at 9:29pm
I'm reminded of this:

http://achewood.com/index.php?date=10302007

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Originally Posted by jdnba View Post

frozen anything...vanillaO2, ebony are a few that come to mind

Actually, vanilla02 is one of the few of these terms that might have any relevancy to the scent: it could be referring to the vanilla essence produced by CO2 extraction.
Here is a good guide for those curious about the extraction of various plant essences used in perfumery ( admittedly from an aromatherapist's perspective ).
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post #13 of 32
10/30/07 at 10:56pm
This reminds me of Montale of their overkill of aoud varieties: Black, white, Steam (WTF? Steam??!!), etc etc.

TNMA
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post #14 of 32
10/31/07 at 12:28am
While the cologne makes a lot of sense to me,
the pyramid of Cuiron (directory)
has me perplexed ! :brolly:
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post #15 of 32
10/31/07 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by fredricktoo View Post

this batch that beachroses posts is typical of what is being used to describe fragrances.

"Lady Apple, Tahitian Flower, Pink Frosting Accord, Forbidden Woods, Royal Musk Captive"

It's hard for me to get an idea of what I'm going to smell like if I applied these.

I hope to find out that all the names on this thread are actually meaningful rather than the hucksters typical use of language to squeeze the public and sell low quality or ingredients everybody is familiar with and probably disgusted with by now.

It's impossible to guess by looking at the notes, that fragrance is a freshly showered smell with a faint cocoa note on me, nothing like the description. I am guessing these are names for new synthetic notes they've come up with, to differentiate from the others already around?
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post #16 of 32
10/31/07 at 12:45pm
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Pink Frosting Accord

has to be one of the best

It's like Betty Crocker.

It tastes like sugar

No specifics except the frosting is pink

Fobidden Woods means it's licensed.

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Originally Posted by narcus View Post

While the cologne makes a lot of sense to me,
the pyramid of Cuiron (directory)
has me perplexed ! :brolly:

agreed!
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post #17 of 32
11/9/07 at 12:18am
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a note: fruity whiskey?

and an accord: lush waterfall accord

?
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post #18 of 32
11/9/07 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by fredricktoo View Post

a note: fruity whiskey?

and an accord: lush waterfall accord

?

I much prefer non-lush waterfall notes over lush ones. Way better!
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post #19 of 32
11/9/07 at 8:22am
I want to bed some "Royal musk captive," myself.
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post #20 of 32
11/10/07 at 9:35pm
People love these marketing gimmicks.

Like Aramis releasing New West as a "Skinscent"

I thought the Pure Parfum; EDP; EDT: EDC classification was working quite well.
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post #21 of 32
11/10/07 at 9:44pm
"Let Me Play The Lion"

Ok, whatever...
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post #22 of 32
11/11/07 at 12:15am
Odeur 53 is rife with weird "accords"...

I had to laugh at their sensational descriptions of the "scents" it contains
"Washing drying on a clothesline", "running your tongue over a steel pipe" and so on.

Puh-leeze.
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post #23 of 32
11/11/07 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post

My annoying note rant:

Grilled cigarette note - compliments of Comme des Garcons PARFUMS Series 6 Synthetic: Tar

WTF?


LOL!

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Originally Posted by Dimitri View Post

Odeur 53 is rife with weird "accords"...

I had to laugh at their sensational descriptions of the "scents" it contains
"Washing drying on a clothesline", "running your tongue over a steel pipe" and so on.

Puh-leeze.


Oh brother! Give me a break! You know I have always wanted to roll my tongue over a steel pipe. I guess as long as it is not in the winter.
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post #24 of 32
11/22/07 at 1:33pm
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from Richard James Cologne

Clean Starched Shirt Acccord, I'm assuming a white shirt. Does anyone know what the components of this accord are?

hell, here's the whole pyramid listed on Basenotes

several of these are unique to Richard James Cologne. This is the Saville Row clothier? Think they've lost perspective or am I being unusually cynical on this?
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post #25 of 32
11/22/07 at 7:19pm
...Kenneth Coles New York


Well-groomed accord, Freshly showered accord...
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post #26 of 32
11/22/07 at 7:53pm
I want to know what are the "violent animal notes" in Le Labo Patchouli 24
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post #27 of 32
11/22/07 at 8:13pm
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I want to know what are the "violent animal notes" in Le Labo Patchouli 24

That must explain the "foaming at the mouth" effect users of Patchouli 24 have experienced...
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post #28 of 32
11/22/07 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by thenmarcher View Post

This reminds me of Montale of their overkill of aoud varieties: Black, white, Steam (WTF? Steam??!!), etc etc.

The name "steam" sounds pretty stupid, but that was one of the original ways that 'oud was extracted: by steam.

Some of these other names are really dumb, like "frozen", "living", "iced", etc. I just don't get it.
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post #29 of 32
11/22/07 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by bbobkc View Post

LOL!




Oh brother! Give me a break! You know I have always wanted to roll my tongue over a steel pipe. I guess as long as it is not in the winter.


No homo right?
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post #30 of 32
11/24/07 at 8:20am
How do you describe the smell of chemicals anyway? It is all made up, you might as well invoke colourful imaginary, because if you just listed off a hundred chemical and natural ingredients it wouldn't seem nearly as interesting. Its an art more than a science, and the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
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post #31 of 32
11/24/07 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Louslice View Post

How do you describe the smell of chemicals anyway? It is all made up, you might as well invoke colourful imaginary, because if you just listed off a hundred chemical and natural ingredients it wouldn't seem nearly as interesting. Its an art more than a science, and the whole is more than the sum of the parts.

True, but there are real ingredients that go into perfumes: sandalwood, vetiver, jasmine, agarwood, etc. The complaint here (at least mine) is the names that they give their essences, whether they are real or not.

Iced mango? Ninja please.
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post #32 of 32
11/24/07 at 12:51pm
Sperm note... http://www.basenotes.net/ID26126203.html

I think I'll pass...
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