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post #1 of 9
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I compared prices and terms for a number of online retailers, specifically asking, where their websites seemed less than clear, whether they could and would deliver to me, to my PO box in Canada, by USPS (US Postal Service). Now, as it happens, the manager of the Canada Post outlet where I rent my box is a particularly nice and helpful lady who takes care of her customers, and she does, in fact, accept UPS deliveries for me, and has done so. But I still wanted USPS because I don't want to presume on her graciousness and to reduce the likelihood of complications.

I eventually placed an order for several items through the website of one of the Long Island, New York retailers. When it came to shipping, their checkout facility said "UPS or USPS." I am quite sure that I specified USPS, because I wouldn't have gone through with it if I hadn't been able to do that.

My order turned up at my PO outlet with a rapidity that I should, in retrospect, have found suspicious. As I carried it away, I noted the Canada Post sticker on it, and interpreted this as confirmation that it had come by USPS, as I had specified. I hadn't been asked to pay any customs charge when I picked it up; sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not. I've always assumed it's a hit-and-miss thing.

That was a few weeks ago.

On Wednesday of last week, I found in my PO box a bill from UPS for a sum ten dollars short of half of what I paid for the order itself, equivalent to about $12.00 added to the price of each item.

When I got home I looked more closely at the box my order had come in, and realized that it had, in fact, come by UPS.

Apart from the customs charge itself, the largest item on the list is what UPS calls their "Entry Prep Fee." I got online and started researching it, and quickly found horror stories of outraged Canadians refusing delivery of UPS packages when told what UPS wanted to gouge them for for the privilege of having UPS handle customs for them.

I emailed the retailer, asking them to review my order and see if I had not, as I thought, identified USPS as my chosen method of delivery. The reply I received simply ignored my question, and repeated the information on their website about how they are not responsible for customs charges. I replied to their reply, stating that that was not what I had asked, detailing the highway robbery UPS was engaging in, and asking the rep who had sent it to refer the matter to someone higher up. I then received a further reply, stating: "Thank you for your email. I apologize as our systems are automated and shipping methods are choosen (sic) by our system. We apologize for any inconvenience."

My reply to that elicited only an automated response with no content.

I don't, needless to say, anticipate their getting any more of my business.

Canadians be warned.
post #2 of 9
You received your package, so I guess there's nothing to worry about...UPS or USPS. You might receive a customs fee after receiving your package, sometimes it happens to me, but I just ignore them and don't pay them. Eventually, they go after the sender for the fees, that's what happened to Luckyscent a lot, so that's why they ask for the customs and brokeage fees during checkout.
post #3 of 9
Hey Nsamadi, does UPS just go after the sender for customs fees? I thought only Fed Ex did that - I remember a UPS guy charging me customs at the door. Would I have been able to say "sorry, no thanks" and still get my package?

Are you in Montreal by the way? I noticed when I bought things from Montale and they sent me confirmations they also had forwarded them to an nsamadi email address. I thought that must be one of their reps or something, but maybe it's you!

Which retailer was that roxoff?

Here's my usual UPS rant - NEVER EVER EVER SHIP ANYTHING UPS ACROSS THE BORDER. Not only do you get slammed with customs charges every time, but they charge you a fee for taking it across the border, a fee for taking it through customs, a fee for charging you their fee, a fee for collecting their fee. A 75$ item will rack up about $75 in fees.

Never mind the sheer robbery of it, but on top of that their service is ATROCIOUS. I have shipped and recieved hundreds on items by Canada Post/US Post to and from all kinds of countries. I can count the problems I've had on one hand. Never had a fragrance been confiscated, never had a package that I sent get lost, though I once had a toy get lost coming to me, and I've had a couple of delays. That's it out of at least 400 transactions.

Meanwhile I've used UPS maybe 5 times across the border. I had issues every single time. They leave stuff out on your steps, they screw up, the damage stuff, etc. If you only have a whopping customs fee you're lucky.

Most recently I bought a Cuir Mauresque from someone on basenotes in NYC who was awesome enough to sell it to me at cost. Super hard to find bonanza for me. However I asked him to ship with the Post Office and he shipped UPS thinking it was safer because of tracking.

First the package disappeared even with their tracking. Then it appeared to be stuck at the border because they lost the shipping forms he'd enclosed with the package. Each UPS rep that we talked to had a different story and a different set of instructions for what to do.

Eventually the seller just got fed up and asked them to ship it back to him, so he could ship it with the post office.

He comes home to find a totally crushed box soaking in Cuir Mauresque, on his front steps no less, in manhattan, where it would have been stolen if it wasn't a reeking soaking mess.

Even though you risk confiscation with Canada Post, if you add up how many zillions of dollars you save by having fragrances shipped for $5 instead of $10 + $50 in fees, you realize a confiscation here or there (never happened to me) is cheaper than going through that hell.
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR View Post

Hey Nsamadi, does UPS just go after the sender for customs fees? I thought only Fed Ex did that - I remember a UPS guy charging me customs at the door. Would I have been able to say "sorry, no thanks" and still get my package?

I'm not entirely sure, but he did say that the customs slip was sent after.....in his PO Box, not on the spot, so I guess in this case, if that happens, I usually just ignore them and never pay...doesn't matter UPS or Fedex, or tell them the resident to that address is no longer there..etc...
post #5 of 9
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The lady I mentioned who runs the Canada Post outlet where I have my box told me, when I related all this to her, that she used to work for UPS, and she said, "A lot of stuff goes missing."

Gaius, I've PM'd you regarding the retailer.
post #6 of 9
And they never come after you nsamadi? I once asked a UPS guy if it was possible to put me on a blacklist so that if anyone tried to ship anything to me with UPS that the teller would tell the shipper "sorry we don't ship to this person, please use another method" ... no such luck!

Roxoff - my friend drives a UPS truck and he said even he never has anything shipped UPS over the border!
post #7 of 9
I try avoid UPS and Fed Ex as much as possible. I remember Fed Ex at one time charging me the government sales tax that existed then, and then adding an additional charge for their "service" of having done that for me - thanks a lot for less than nothing.

UPS haven't been much of a problem because we don't have much import duty charged nowadays. But they have no arrangement to drop items at the post office, and want you to be home when they may show up to deliver. Last time, after their first visit, I left a big plastic garbage bag under my door mat, together with instructions to UPS to put the parcel in the plastic bag, and gently lower it on the other side of my locked gate.

I love USPS. They're relatively cheap, and they mesh in with the local postal system. If I'm not at home, I just collect the parcel from the post office. And they seem to figure that it is the government's job to collect taxes, not theirs.
Renato
post #8 of 9
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When I looked on the WWW for other Canadians' experiences with UPS, I found one account where the author quoted a response he had received to a complaint he sent them. In it they actually used the phrase, "UPS provides a charge" for dealing with customs. The notion of a "charge" being something they "provide" surely qualifies for some sort of Disingenuous Use of English award.

The reason I have been able to receive occasional courier deliveries at my PO outlet is that it is at the back of a store in a mall. The address is actually that of the store, albeit the box number appears at the top. I once had an adventure of several days' duration trying to find out why something I had ordered by mail from the US to be sent to my PO box was delivered to my street address by Purolator, and others where things I ordered to come by mail to my old PO box, where courier deliveries weren't accepted, were sent by courier, and I had to go looking for them. I ended up writing to the appropriate minister in the federal government, complaining that especially since NAFTA, there ought to be coordination of such services. The minister's office replied -- tersely, as if any idiot ought to see it -- that that wasn't feasible. I have often thought that if enough people complained vigorously enough, it would become feasible very quickly. But studies have shown that, rather than complain, most people will simply not return to a store where they've received bad service. And my own experience tells me that Canadians will put up with almost anything.
post #9 of 9
Canada Post will also charge you sales tax, plus an $8 fee for processing if the package is charged or opened, but they don't even think about items less than $20, and even for more expensive items they often just let them slip without charging.

Meanwhile Fed Ex and UPS will charge you the taxes 100% of the time just so that they can collect your fee, and UPS adds about 5 other fees just for good measure.

I'm not a big fan of paying sales taxes, but I don't mind so much as it pays for public health care, and I'd also rather give my $8 processing fee to Canada Post who pays it's workers well, vs giving $40 in fees plus sales tax to UPS who treats it's employees like crap.

Plus, as in australia, the post office is just around the corner and I can just pick it up there, meanwhile if I miss the UPS shipment I have to go all out in the middle of nowhere within 5 days or it gets sent back.

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Originally Posted by Renato View Post

I try avoid UPS and Fed Ex as much as possible. I remember Fed Ex at one time charging me the government sales tax that existed then, and then adding an additional charge for their "service" of having done that for me - thanks a lot for less than nothing.
Renato
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