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Trumper’s of Mayfair mentioned in Fleming's new James Bond novel

post #1 of 34
6/18/08 at 7:47am
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I read a chapter of the new Bond novel written by Sebastian Faulks with Fleming's estates blessing. on Vanity Fair's website.

the whole chapter is available here.

I quote:

"The changing room was on the lower ground floor and included a large steam room, four saunas, and enough colognes and aftershaves to have stocked Trumper’s of Mayfair for a year. Bond, who was used to the club in Barbados (single shower stall, wooden bar with cold beer) or the shabby back rooms of Queen’s Club in London, noticed that no amount of expensive scents had quite concealed a rancid undersmell of socks."

This bit appears in one chapter. I was wondering if anyone had completed the book and had uneathed any other decidedly English references to fragrance.
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post #2 of 34
6/18/08 at 8:54am
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This bit appears in one chapter. I was wondering if anyone had completed the book and had uneathed any other decidedly English references to fragrance.

I devoured the book in one transcontinental plane trip the week that the book came out. I can't remember any other references to scent -- but, then again, I didn't remember that one.

What did you think of the book? I thought that it captured Ian Fleming's writing style almost exactly. The plot was very Fleming-esque as well, but were too many elements "borrowed" from Fleming's books?

While we are on the subject of Bond and scent, I know it has been said that Floris No. 89 was Bond's scent in the books, and that Trumper's Eucris was mentioned in Diamons are Forever. I have read and re-read so many of the Bond books, and I cannot find those references anywhere? Am I missing them? Can anyone direct me to a chapter or page?
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post #3 of 34
6/18/08 at 9:07am
I think the Eucris mentioned was a reference to his hair dressing.

Go to www.shavemyface.com and use the search function there. It has been written about there.
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post #4 of 34
6/18/08 at 9:09am
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I haven't read Fleming since I was a teenager. That's 64-69 and I really don't remember much, but I remember a lot of times my parents bawling me out and giving me lectures about living through the 'great depression', and that their parents simply would have killed or disowned them if they tried the stuff I did. Generally
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post #5 of 34
6/18/08 at 9:45am
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I think the Eucris mentioned was a reference to his hair dressing.

Go to www.shavemyface.com and use the search function there. It has been written about there.

The thing is, I've read about it being mentioned, here and other places. Then I go and read the book, with the intention of looking out for the mention, and I don't see it. So I don't know if it's really there, or just an urban legend that we keep repeating to ourselves. The same thing with the No. 89.
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post #6 of 34
6/18/08 at 9:49am
Hello All,

I noticed the new thread about fragrances mentioned in the newest James Bond novel, and thought I would compile info I have gathered on Bond's fragrances mentioned in the text of James Bond novels of the past, written by Ian Fleming and John Gardner.

For the record, Floris No 89 is merely masquerading as James Bond's fragrance. Ian Fleming himself was said to have used it, and since many of Fleming's personal preferences were passed on to the character of Bond, it is assumed that Bond must have used the same fragrance. However, this is not necessarily true, because there is no textual evidence to support the claim that Bond used Floris No 89.

This is taken from http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=2
Asp9mm:
"The original novels don't mention any particular cologne, just the fact that Bond shops at Floris and he prefers women to use Guerlains Fleur de Alpes soap (it is a girly soap not a blokes).
Fleming shopped at Floris and used No. 89, and after using Floris in DAF, he got loads of freebies from them.
Gardners Bond used Dunhill's Elite EDT in Scorpius. And that is the only time a specific brand is mentioned in the novels."

According to superado at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=3
"Guerlain's Imperial was mentioned only in Gardner's 'License Renewed,' in the chapter, 'Thoughts in a Surrey Lane:'
'...After drying himself with a rough towel, Bond rubbed a small amount of Guerlain's
Imperial Cologne into his skin before ...' "

Finally, James Bond's aftershave and soap are mentioned at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=1
Sir Miles:
"I also believe that Bond uses Lentheric lotion as his after-shave lotion and Floris Lime bath essence - for men of course."

Here is another fragrance mention at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=3
bawtrees:
"There is a mention of Bond using Pinaud Elixir shampoo in the book 'OHMSS'"

There is mention of Trumper's Eucris at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=15593&cpage=1
Apparently, the hair lotion and cologne smell the same.
superado:
I'm still taking in all the little goodies from the book, "James Bond's London," which pointed me to OHMSS. In Ch. 23, Bond uses Draco's bathroom and notices a bottle of Trumper's Eucris hair lotion, which is oil based. It doesn't state whether or not Bond actually put some on his hair, but there also wasn't anything said to the contrary, such as Bond not liking hair lotion, etc. The text goes on to say how Bond was touched that Draco went to great lengths to make his British guest feel at home. Now, I'm more inclined to think that the literary Bond uses Eucris hair lotion, if the author's affinity for the product can be used as an indicator."

Textually, Bond's fragrances include:
(from Fleming)
Floris Lime bath essence
Lentheric aftershave
Pinaud Elixir shampoo
Trumper's Eucris hair lotion

(from Gardner)
Guerlain Imperiale
Dunhill Elite edt
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post #7 of 34
6/18/08 at 10:05am
Thank you for the information! I see that you left out Raymond Benson (a wise choice, in my opinion).

Trumper's Eucris had been referenced to Diamonds are Forever, not On Her Majesty's Secret Service, so that's why I never found it.

I do remember Gardner's references to Dunhill and Guerlain's Imperiale (a wonderful eau de cologne, by the way).
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post #8 of 34
6/18/08 at 10:50am
And, as a sidenote, Mrs. Bond (Tracy) wore Guerlain's Ode. From OHMMSS
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post #9 of 34
6/18/08 at 10:56am
And, of course, Sean Connery was a big fan of Guerlain's Jicky.

Teddius
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post #10 of 34
6/18/08 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by Oviatt View Post

And, as a sidenote, Mrs. Bond (Tracy) wore Guerlain's Ode. From OHMMSS

Maybe in the novel (I haven't read it), but in the movie, Bond notes that she's wearing Lheure Bleu by Guerlain.
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post #11 of 34
6/18/08 at 11:40am
Yes, that is from the book. I had forgotten that it was changed in the movie. Diana Rigg wearing L'Heure Bleu..... that gives one something to think about!
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post #12 of 34
6/18/08 at 11:49am
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Yes, that is from the book. I had forgotten that it was changed in the movie. Dianna Rigg wearing L'Heure Bleu..... that gives one something to think about!

Tell me about it! OHMSS was the first Bond movie I ever saw. I was eleven and my best friend and I got in to see it even though it was rated "M" for "Mature" audiences. I fell in love with Dianna Rigg and to this day George Lazenby remains my favorite Bond.
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post #13 of 34
6/18/08 at 11:53am
And in Casino Royale, Vesper prepares a bath for Bond and places a "new flask of some expensive pine bath-essence on a chair beside it with his towel." Interesting to know the brand that Flemming envisioned.
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post #14 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:05pm
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Tell me about it! OHMSS was the first Bond movie I ever saw. I was eleven and my best friend and I got in to see it even though it was rated "M" for "Mature" audiences. I fell in love with Dianna Rigg and to this day George Lazenby remains my favorite Bond.

I agree about Lazenby. It was a great movie--lucky you to see it at eleven with that rating! Give the book a try--it is a very good read. Re: Diana Rigg, there is an Avengers episode that hinges on Emma identifying some obscure perfume--good fun.
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post #15 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by django View Post

Hello All,

I noticed the new thread about fragrances mentioned in the newest James Bond novel, and thought I would compile info I have gathered on Bond's fragrances mentioned in the text of James Bond novels of the past, written by Ian Fleming and John Gardner.

For the record, Floris No 89 is merely masquerading as James Bond's fragrance. Ian Fleming himself was said to have used it, and since many of Fleming's personal preferences were passed on to the character of Bond, it is assumed that Bond must have used the same fragrance. However, this is not necessarily true, because there is no textual evidence to support the claim that Bond used Floris No 89.

This is taken from http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=2
Asp9mm:
"The original novels don't mention any particular cologne, just the fact that Bond shops at Floris and he prefers women to use Guerlains Fleur de Alpes soap (it is a girly soap not a blokes).
Fleming shopped at Floris and used No. 89, and after using Floris in DAF, he got loads of freebies from them.
Gardners Bond used Dunhill's Elite EDT in Scorpius. And that is the only time a specific brand is mentioned in the novels."

According to superado at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=3
"Guerlain's Imperial was mentioned only in Gardner's 'License Renewed,' in the chapter, 'Thoughts in a Surrey Lane:'
'...After drying himself with a rough towel, Bond rubbed a small amount of Guerlain's
Imperial Cologne into his skin before ...' "

Finally, James Bond's aftershave and soap are mentioned at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=1
Sir Miles:
"I also believe that Bond uses Lentheric lotion as his after-shave lotion and Floris Lime bath essence - for men of course."

Here is another fragrance mention at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=20452&cpage=3
bawtrees:
"There is a mention of Bond using Pinaud Elixir shampoo in the book 'OHMSS'"

There is mention of Trumper's Eucris at http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=15593&cpage=1
Apparently, the hair lotion and cologne smell the same.
superado:
I'm still taking in all the little goodies from the book, "James Bond's London," which pointed me to OHMSS. In Ch. 23, Bond uses Draco's bathroom and notices a bottle of Trumper's Eucris hair lotion, which is oil based. It doesn't state whether or not Bond actually put some on his hair, but there also wasn't anything said to the contrary, such as Bond not liking hair lotion, etc. The text goes on to say how Bond was touched that Draco went to great lengths to make his British guest feel at home. Now, I'm more inclined to think that the literary Bond uses Eucris hair lotion, if the author's affinity for the product can be used as an indicator."

Textually, Bond's fragrances include:
(from Fleming)
Floris Lime bath essence
Lentheric aftershave
Pinaud Elixir shampoo
Trumper's Eucris hair lotion

(from Gardner)
Guerlain Imperiale
Dunhill Elite edt

Would that be Lentheric's 1964 Onyx? Also, could Gardner mean Floris ELITE, instead of Dunhill?
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post #16 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:25pm
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Also, could Gardner mean Floris ELITE, instead of Dunhill?

No, Gardner specifically mentioned Dunhilll, but I think that it is Blend 30, which is discontinued now.
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post #17 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:31pm
I, too, am confused by the Dunhill Elite reference. I guess it is possible Gardner mistakenly combined Dunhill and Floris.

The Lentheric specific fragrance has had me confused for some time. I would guess that the Lentheric Fleming mentions is something from the 1950's. No James Bond forum has any answer, nor does anyone at www.badgerandblade.com. In fact, I can't even get anyone to describe the fragrance notes or tell me what fragrance Lentheric resembles! There are some forties and fifties print ads on Ebay occasionally that have Lentheric Aftershave Lotion coupled with Lentheric Tanbark cologne...
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post #18 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Advocate View Post

No, Gardner specifically mentioned Dunhilll, but I think that it is Blend 30, which is discontinued now.

I have heard both Dunhill Elite and 30, and also Dunhill D...was there ever such a thing as Dunhill Elite?
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post #19 of 34
6/18/08 at 12:40pm
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I have heard both Dunhill Elite and 30, and also Dunhill D...was there ever such a thing as Dunhill Elite?

Not according to the Basenotes Directory. I distinctly remember it being 30 when I reread the book last, but of course I am not near it and cannot put my hands on the quote.
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post #20 of 34
6/18/08 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Oviatt View Post

I agree about Lazenby. It was a great movie--lucky you to see it at eleven with that rating! Give the book a try--it is a very good read. Re: Diana Rigg, there is an Avengers episode that hinges on Emma identifying some obscure perfume--good fun.

I think one of the reasons it was such a good movie is that is supposedly follows the novel more closely than any of the early Bond movies did. The gadgets and whatnot in OHMSS don't require a gargantuan suspension of disbelief as with most of the other Bond films.
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post #21 of 34
6/18/08 at 1:35pm
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Thanks for hi-jacking my thread Django. Welcome to Basenotes.
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post #22 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:01pm
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Thanks for hi-jacking my thread Django. Welcome to Basenotes.

I don't know to which thread you are referring.

You recently started a thread called "Trumpers of Mayfair mentioned in Fleming's new James Bond novel." In this thread, you state:


"I read a chapter of the new Bond novel written by Sebastian Faulks with Fleming's estates blessing. on Vanity Fair's website.

the whole chapter is available here.

I quote:

"The changing room was on the lower ground floor and included a large steam room, four saunas, and enough colognes and aftershaves to have stocked Trumpers of Mayfair for a year. Bond, who was used to the club in Barbados (single shower stall, wooden bar with cold beer) or the shabby back rooms of Queens Club in London, noticed that no amount of expensive scents had quite concealed a rancid undersmell of socks."

This bit appears in one chapter. I was wondering if anyone had completed the book and had uneathed any other decidedly English references to fragrance."


Now, your thread is clearly focused on any fragrances found in the new book, "Devil May Care."

My thread is about James Bond's fragrances from any book, with emphasis on books written by Ian Fleming and John Gardner.

Oh, and if you read the beginning of my thread more closely, you will notice that I referred to your thread and intended to focus on something different when I wrote, "I noticed the new thread about fragrances mentioned in the newest James Bond novel, and thought I would compile info I have gathered on Bond's fragrances mentioned in the text of James Bond novels of the past, written by Ian Fleming and John Gardner."

I credited your thread and declared a related but separate topic of discussion. Therefore, your claim that I hijacked your thread is unfounded.

If I come across any fragrances from the newest Bond novel, I will be sure to post on your thread. And please, if you come across any fragrances James Bond, himself, wears from "Devil May Care" before I do, I hope you will mention something here. However, I trust that the next time you post on my thread, you will choose your words more carefully.

Thank you for the warm welcome.
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post #23 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:04pm
You would think that Bond would have something custom made in a lab, rather than something standard.

As an example, DRY SKIN TONIC: Water, Glycerin, Imidazolidinyl Urea, Hyaluronic Acid, Methyl Paraben, Conjugated Glycopolypeptides, Sodium PCA, Trisodium EDTA, and Xanthan Gum.

A nice neutral base for him, or for the actors who need something after peeling off the Mehron Foundation.

It is of course, fragrance free.


Vassaari
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post #24 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:19pm
Gentlemen: I found both of these James Bond threads interesting today, and different. I love Bond, I love fragrance, what could be better than discussing Bond and fragrance? I also posted on both, and I don't think that I was the only one.

Also, and this is probably a petty point of parliamentary procedure (!), but I thought that hijacking a thread referred to posting an irrelevant message on a thread to steer it off the topic of discussion.
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post #25 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:23pm
I didn't see the first time around that you only read one chapter online. That is so cool that they put out a chapter to tease us! What did you think of it? Are you planning on buying the whole thing? I would heartily recommend it. I wouldn't put it above any of Fleming's work -- yet -- but it is easily as good as Kingsley Amis' Colonel Sun.
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post #26 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:33pm
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Maybe in the novel (I haven't read it), but in the movie, Bond notes that she's wearing Lheure Bleu by Guerlain.

L'Heure Bleue is absolutely ethereal! Maybe something tougher and more aloof would have suited Tracy better, such as Bandit (and a cute pun, too, considering her father). But I would probably have fallen in love with a woman who wore L'Heure Bleue.

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You would think that Bond would have something custom made in a lab, rather than something standard.

"Now pay attention, double-oh seven. Your new facial moisturizer: pull this tab here to expose the fuse. It's on a fifteen-second burn so don't dawdle. Now, this here I'm particularly keen on . . . ."
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post #27 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:37pm
Gentlemen, I've merged two threads into this one. I apologize for any confusion doing so causes the readers, but I think the subject matter is interesting and complimentary.
Best,
--Chris
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post #28 of 34
6/18/08 at 2:56pm
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I didn't see the first time around that you only read one chapter online. That is so cool that they put out a chapter to tease us! What did you think of it? Are you planning on buying the whole thing? I would heartily recommend it. I wouldn't put it above any of Fleming's work -- yet -- but it is easily as good as Kingsley Amis' Colonel Sun.

I had mentioned that I had read Fleming as a teenager, many as they were released. I don't have any copies any more. I did read all that were available at the time. Along with at least 50 other fine authors the likes of which included Burgess, Nabakov, Vonnegut, Dahl I discovered Fleming in Playboy magazine during the sixties.

There was a question about my verbiage concerning a thread being hi-jacked. I'm sorry if I mis-spoke and the internet gods have allotted that phrase for another deed. Let me be more clear. Stolen. But lets let bygons be bygons

---------------- Now playing: Nine Inch Nails - Hurt (Quiet / Clean) via FoxyTunes
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post #29 of 34
6/18/08 at 3:22pm
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Gentlemen: I found both of these James Bond threads interesting today, and different. I love Bond, I love fragrance, what could be better than discussing Bond and fragrance? I also posted on both, and I don't think that I was the only one.

Also, and this is probably a petty point of parliamentary procedure (!), but I thought that hijacking a thread referred to posting an irrelevant message on a thread to steer it off the topic of discussion.

I agree about the definition of hijacking a thread. I feel that since I neither stole part of a thread, nor did I steer any off course, fredricktoo's accusation is definitively irrelevant. It is as if one was accused of robbing a bank by opening one's own account (on a far more trivial scale, of course). Therefore, I feel an acknowledgement and small apology is in order from fredricktoo. It would at least be the polite thing, since no one appreciates being accused of something they did not do. Moderator? The moderator might also enlighten us as to whether fredricktoo's claim was a bit imprudent. Perhaps if fredricktoo had a concern he ought to have sought out the moderator rather than rashly throw out an accusation of "hijacking," if only to avoid definitive embarrasment.

Moving on, I am happy to have both threads merged into one. Thank you moderator. They were different, sure, but I suppose "Devil May Care" Bond fragrances could be considered a much more focused, small subtopic of my thread, after all (even though I really wanted to focus only on Fleming and Gardner).

Finally, perhaps I can find a way to bridge the gap between the two threads by raising this point: in the evolution of Bond fragrances, we've gone from Lentheric and Eucris, through Guerlain Imperiale, to Dunhill...and now perhaps something else in "Devil May Care." However, the new novel is set immediately following the Fleming novels, in the 1960's. Considering the evolution of Bond's fragrance, what would be some plausible options for James Bond 2008?
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post #30 of 34
6/18/08 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by fredricktoo View Post

Along with at least 50 other fine authors the likes of which included Burgess, Nabakov, Vonnegut, Dahl I discovered Fleming in Playboy magazine during the sixties.

Ah, back when Playboy was kind of classy. (And when Esquire was a little naughty, too.) He wrote several short stories about Bond, didn't he, along with an essay on how he wrote novels. Basically a couple hours in the morning, an hour or so in the evening, 2000 words a day for a month, and bob's your uncle, another Bond book.

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I would much rather focus on what Bond might wear in 2008.

Worst case scenario: Fleming had rather mainstream tastes for the times, didn't he? So maybe he would write Bond wearing Acqua di Gio. Better case scenario: Bond is a hero in the great British tradition of an independently wealthy, athletic Englishman who travels to foreign lands to have dangerous adventures. This is the kind of Englishman for whom Alfred Dunhill first started making leather goods (and the kind of Englishman for whom Bentleys were first made), so maybe one of the remaining Dunhills.
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post #31 of 34
6/18/08 at 6:13pm
Bond 2008...
How about something contemporary that is not too common, that is covert, flies under the radar, a quiet elegance, not too strong, not too flashy, subtle and secretive, would blend in perfectly with the classy crowd if it weren't so potent just beneath the surface?

For a Dunhill currently in production, I vote Dunhill (2003).
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post #32 of 34
6/19/08 at 7:41am
Well, I stayed up until 2:30 A.M. rereading Scorpius, and I found the Dunhill reference on Page 211 of the hardcover edition. James Bond is getting ready to leave a safe house in London when:

"He closed the compartment and carefully packed a razor and travel set of Dunhill Edition shave cream and cologne -- another standard, provided by Mrs. Findlay who, as housekeeper, felt her gentlemen should have the best."

So Dunhill Edition is not Bond's choice, but he seems to regard it approvingly. I'm still working on where I saw the Dunhill Blend 30 reference.
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post #33 of 34
6/20/08 at 2:32pm
At 2:00 A.M., I found the reference that I remembered before. In Nobody Lives Forever, on Pages 25-26 of the paperback version:

"He did not like change, being a man of habit, but had recently altered his soap, shampoo, and cologne to Dunhill Blend 30 -- deciding they held a more masculine tang -- and now, after a vigorous toweling, he rubbed cologne into his body before slipping into his silk traveling 'Happi-coat' to await breakfast, which came complete with all the local morning papers."
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6/23/08 at 3:02pm
Blend 30 was really fantastic and I am glad to hear that--while no longer available--it basks in the glory of becoming a part of the lore of 007.
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