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post #1 of 22
11/20/08 at 5:33pm
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It's here and you get a free 20 oz Dr. Pepper too!

http://web.gunsnroses.com/splash.jsp

Despite all the stupidity GNR was and is one of the greatest rock bands ever and few bands have rocked out with as many memorable or well orchestrated and written songs. I'm psyched even though it won't be as good as Appetite or Use Your Illusion but still . . . Rock's been dead for over a decade and I'm glad ACDC and GNR are coming out of the grave to teach the whiny teen rockers what a guitar is and how to use it.

- Al
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post #2 of 22
11/20/08 at 5:42pm
I was waiting for this album forever, but now that it's about to come out, I have lost interest.

Unfortunately, the Axl Rose with cornrows and Buckethead just don't cut it for me. I like the 80s GnR with Slash and Duff!

But like you said, it's time for rock to make a comeback. New GnR is better than no GnR, right?

On a side note, I had high hopes for Velvet Revolver, the members of Guns n' Roses minus Axl and Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots, but I could not get into them.
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post #3 of 22
11/20/08 at 5:50pm
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I was waiting for this album forever, but now that it's about to come out, I have lost interest.

Unfortunately, the Axl Rose with cornrows and Buckethead just don't cut it for me. I like the 80s GnR with Slash and Duff!

But like you said, it's time for rock to make a comeback. New GnR is better than no GnR, right?

On a side note, I had high hopes for Velvet Revolver, the members of Guns n' Roses minus Axl and Scott Weiland from Stone Temple Pilots, but I could not get into them.

AGREED! GnR w/o Slash and Duff and Izzy and even Steve Adler is a fucking disgrace, enough said. As far as I am concerned GnR died when Slash and Duff left the band. Face it, this is Axl Rose and that is it, there is not one remaining member from the original GnR still in the band, besides Axl. It is not even GnR.
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post #4 of 22
11/20/08 at 6:11pm
yep, like it or not, slash was a the heart of G'N'R and Izzy was the soul....

Axl has a fairly unique voice, but plenty of other ppl could've done the vocals on sweet child'o'mine and it'd still have killed...
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post #5 of 22
11/20/08 at 7:04pm
GUNS AND ROSES!!!!

This merits Rose 31 as tomorrows SoTD. Wood, Cumin n Roses... can there be something more appropriate?
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post #6 of 22
11/20/08 at 10:52pm
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Yeah I'm not wild about the lack of the band. However Slash was never a great guitarist. Izzy is one to be missed for sure but the sound of GNR was all Axl. He knew it and had an arrogance about it that destroyed the band. I disagree that any other frontman could have pulled it off. Axl's voice was unique and grabbed people much like Ozzy did in the 70's and Vedder in the 90s (and no Scott Stapp DOES not sound like Eddie Vedder). Axl had a distinct rhythm and cadence that made GNR. Without him? Slash's Snakepit did almost as well as Garfunkel without Simon. Even with a more gifted vocalist (Weiland) Slash still couldn't produce anything close to what GNR was. Read above for one of many similar comments regarding VR. And Izzy's band sunk too. Duff also I think had his own thing going for a bit. Never heard of it? Yup. The rest of Axl's new cronies aren't unknowns though and are proven musicians so maybe something good will come of this. The song on their website is discouraging though.

- Al
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post #7 of 22
11/20/08 at 11:02pm
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Yeah I'm not wild about the lack of the band. However Slash was never a great guitarist. Izzy is one to be missed for sure but the sound of GNR was all Axl. He knew it and had an arrogance about it that destroyed the band. I disagree that any other frontman could have pulled it off. Axl's voice was unique and grabbed people much like Ozzy did in the 70's and Vedder in the 90s (and no Scott Stapp DOES not sound like Eddie Vedder). Axl had a distinct rhythm and cadence that made GNR. Without him? Slash's Snakepit did almost as well as Garfunkel without Simon. Even with a more gifted vocalist (Weiland) Slash still couldn't produce anything close to what GNR was. Read above for one of many similar comments regarding VR. And Izzy's band sunk too. Duff also I think had his own thing going for a bit. Never heard of it? Yup. The rest of Axl's new cronies aren't unknowns though and are proven musicians so maybe something good will come of this. The song on their website is discouraging though.

- Al

Slash was never a good guitarist??? As a musician and an avid classic rock junky I could not disagree more. The guitar on Appetitie for Destruction was amazing. Those riffs got everyone caught up in GnR. Slash made everyone of those riffs that not only changed music but brought GnR to the top of the charts. How do I know this? Try reading "Slash" which is Slash's 800 page biography tracing the history of GnR. To say that Slash was never great is a really weird statement to make; it just does not make any sense whatsoever. Those guitar riffs revitalized rock n roll when bands like Poison, etc... killed it. If you listen to Appetitie or Illusions you will easily see that the guitar parts are highly techincal. In fact, great guitarist such as Jeff Beck, Steve Vai, have praised Slash's style of guitar.

I can agree that maybe you dislike Slash's style, etc..., but to say he is a bad guitarist is nothing more than you not understanding the intrictae nature of guitar, as well as music in general.

What made GnR so special was the vibe of all the members together, each individually can not recreate that vibe. BTW, Snakepit went platinim, as well as Velvert Revolver's album.
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post #8 of 22
11/27/08 at 8:10pm
I think this is a great album - extremely listenable. I'm not a fan of GnR, but my teenage son is, and he was dying to get this. We popped it in the CD player of my truck leaving Best Buy, and I've got to tell you, I was digging it. I agree, Al, that Axl must have been in some sense the core of GnR (which I really did not believe before hearing this), because this album has the same essential feel, even though the style has evolved to stay relevant. I found it interesting that even the instrumentals seem to reflect the melody of old Axl vocals. Totally wild.

However, I've got to go with the attorney on Slash. The idea that he's one of the greatest is - I agree - very debatable. But my son - who knows a heck of a lot more about music than I do, and is especially appreciative of innovation - has enormous respect for his talent.

It's definitely not the same GnR, but frankly, I like it better. It's pure Axl, and that's surprisingly close to the old sound.
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post #9 of 22
11/28/08 at 12:34pm
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Slash was never a good guitarist??? As a musician and an avid classic rock junky I could not disagree more. The guitar on Appetitie for Destruction was amazing. Those riffs got everyone caught up in GnR. Slash made everyone of those riffs that not only changed music but brought GnR to the top of the charts. How do I know this? Try reading "Slash" which is Slash's 800 page biography tracing the history of GnR. To say that Slash was never great is a really weird statement to make; it just does not make any sense whatsoever. Those guitar riffs revitalized rock n roll when bands like Poison, etc... killed it. If you listen to Appetitie or Illusions you will easily see that the guitar parts are highly techincal. In fact, great guitarist such as Jeff Beck, Steve Vai, have praised Slash's style of guitar.

I can agree that maybe you dislike Slash's style, etc..., but to say he is a bad guitarist is nothing more than you not understanding the intrictae nature of guitar, as well as music in general.

What made GnR so special was the vibe of all the members together, each individually can not recreate that vibe. BTW, Snakepit went platinim, as well as Velvert Revolver's album.

THE FACTS:

I never said he was bad. I said he's not "great."

I do understand the "intricacies" of guitar I've played for 8 years and work with musicians on a day to day. I work in entertainment (film but also work with studios Sony, etc) and with rockers.

Talk to any rock musician in the biz and most will not put Slash in a top ten or top 20. Cece (of Poison) runs circles around Slash. I'm talking from an industry standpoint not a fanboy one, no offense. I doubt Steve Vai would put Slash up there with Clapton and Santana or Betancourt (GREAT guitarists).

CASE CLOSED.

- Al

THE SARCASM

Oh and Trump's biography says he's a humanitarian.

Oh and check this out http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/5937559

No its not gospel y any stretch of the imagination (no. 12 is a joke) but still it has some actual "great" guitarists on there.
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post #10 of 22
11/28/08 at 12:50pm
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Slash was never a good guitarist??? As a musician and an avid classic rock junky I could not disagree more. The guitar on Appetitie for Destruction was amazing. Those riffs got everyone caught up in GnR. Slash made everyone of those riffs that not only changed music but brought GnR to the top of the charts. How do I know this? Try reading "Slash" which is Slash's 800 page biography tracing the history of GnR. To say that Slash was never great is a really weird statement to make; it just does not make any sense whatsoever. Those guitar riffs revitalized rock n roll when bands like Poison, etc... killed it. If you listen to Appetitie or Illusions you will easily see that the guitar parts are highly techincal. In fact, great guitarist such as Jeff Beck, Steve Vai, have praised Slash's style of guitar.

I can agree that maybe you dislike Slash's style, etc..., but to say he is a bad guitarist is nothing more than you not understanding the intrictae nature of guitar, as well as music in general.

What made GnR so special was the vibe of all the members together, each individually can not recreate that vibe. BTW, Snakepit went platinim, as well as Velvert Revolver's album.

SLASH!!! is the best blues-based hard rock shredder there is!...even the genius that is MEGADAVE mustaine couldn't agree more....as an avid classical guitarist myself i definitely respect slash's techniques...check out his smooth jazz guitar virtuosity for further proof. peace
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post #11 of 22
11/28/08 at 12:58pm
there are many outstanding guitarists out there...in my opinion...just mine, slash is a good one. like how dave mustaine rules the robotic spider riffs of the diminished chords and how marty friedman is the god of all things exotic.even better, look at steve di gorgio's slithering and otherworldly bass intricacies or steve harris' on point delivery....it's a wobbulous world of axemen out there.
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post #12 of 22
11/28/08 at 12:58pm
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SLASH!!! is the best blues-based hard rock shredder there is!...even the genius that is MEGADAVE mustaine couldn't agree more....as an avid classical guitarist myself i definitely respect slash's techniques...check out his smooth jazz guitar virtuosity for further proof. peace

Stevie Ray's spirit is laughing or crying right now.

- Al
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post #13 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:01pm
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THE FACTS:

I never said he was bad. I said he's not "great."

I do understand the "intricacies" of guitar I've played for 8 years and work with musicians on a day to day. I work in entertainment (film but also work with studios Sony, etc) and with rockers.

Talk to any rock musician in the biz and most will not put Slash in a top ten or top 20. Cece (of Poison) runs circles around Slash. I'm talking from an industry standpoint not a fanboy one, no offense. I doubt Steve Vai would put Slash up there with Clapton and Santana or Betancourt (GREAT guitarists).

CASE CLOSED.

- Al

THE SARCASM

Oh and Trump's biography says he's a humanitarian.

Oh and check this out http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/5937559

No its not gospel y any stretch of the imagination (no. 12 is a joke) but still it has some actual "great" guitarists on there.

wow anak!...you've been around here that long?u must've a huge cache of frags, i suppose.good going.
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post #14 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:02pm
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there are many outstanding guitarists out there...in my opinion...just mine, slash is a good one. like how dave mustaine rules the robotic spider riffs of the diminished chords and how marty friedman is the god of all things exotic.even better, look at steve di gorgio's slithering and otherworldly bass intricacies or steve harris' on point delivery....it's a wobbulous world of axemen out there.

Agreed. This is so blown out of proportion. I never said Slash sucks. He's obviously gifted but he's not a prodigy. That is all I said about him that he's no legend not that he's bad. It irks me that people don't seem to be aware of the real legends though and are easily satisfied with facsimiles. I am not directing that comment at you or anyone on this board but in general.

- Al
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post #15 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:02pm
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Stevie Ray's spirit is laughing or crying right now.

- Al

he probably is hahaha
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post #16 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:03pm
the good ol stevie will say...."here i am, the taxman had cometh."
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post #17 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:05pm
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Agreed. This is so blown out of proportion. I never said Slash sucks. He's obviously gifted but he's not a prodigy. That is all I said about him that he's no legend not that he's bad. It irks me that people don't seem to be aware of the real legends though and are easily satisfied with facsimiles. I am not directing that comment at you or anyone on this board but in general.

- Al

it's all good sir, just for talks. ya know..peace
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post #18 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:08pm
all things considered, i will not buy "Chinese Democracy"...but i will get the free Dr. Pepper that comes with it.....ahahahahahahaha
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post #19 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:09pm
and then some more Dr. Pepper.....
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post #20 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:09pm
and for my 30th post...more dr pepper....
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post #21 of 22
11/28/08 at 1:16pm
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and for my 30th post...more dr pepper....

Don't count on it . . .

http://www.newsday.com/services/news...,6954770.story
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post #22 of 22
11/28/08 at 3:16pm
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So I went and got it. Not bad at all. I'm actually shocked. I thought it'd be on the lame side. It's no Appetite or Use Your Illusion but it's better than Lies. It's also better than most of the indie (why won't Virgin sign us) wannabe whiny joke bands or pseudo synth rock groups (why the hell did Virgin sign you) releases of the last decade or so. I'm pleasantly surprised. GNR is slated for two more albums with the third to be released in 2012. Apparently this was the first of a trilogy. Oh and for all the Slash fans, give Bumblefoot a chance. He DOES NOT disappoint. Well that's cause he's not on it (Edited) LoL. Robin Finck from NIN is the guy. Wow Axl sure knows how to lose people quick. Still not bad at all.

- Al

For a while I thought there actually WOULD BE democracy in China (and a free Tibet) by the time this was released.
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