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post #1 of 36
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You folks are my special community, and it feels right to share this information with you.

Our only child, our 29yo daughter, brought over her boyfriend yesterday. They've worked at the same place for many months. She thought he was much younger than she, so paid him no heed for a while, but it turned out he's only one year younger--by exactly one year as they share a common birthday.

During a series of visits at his parents' house, where he lives, they baked cookies, he tried to teach her to crochet (apparently she lacks the gene to master this skill) and they watched a lot of movies. We knew something special was going on between them, and that because we have an unusual house, we figured circumstances were simply more accommodating at the other house with conventional architecture and furniture.

Well ... the fella came over yesterday. Yes, he's a very good-looking lad with big brown eyes like my daughter and husband have. His last name is a Bohemian one (my mother, rest her soul, couldn't be more pleased about that and his love of yarn). He drives the same kind of vehicle we've had three of, so it looked at home in our driveway.

We have always loved all of Mandy's friends, and she has always shown immense practicality in every choice she has ever made, so we didn't waiver when, after sending him to BlockBuster for a video, Mandy told us he's on parole.

The short version, which is all there was time for yesterday, is that when he was 22yo and his teenage girlfriend was less than 18, they had sex. I don't know more than that right now. Anyway, their relationship went sour, and she revealed their intimacy. He was sentenced to four years in prison and six years on parole for the felony of sex with a minor.

DH and I know that any of our foolish youthful acts, such as driving drunk, could have changed lives forever, so we aren't going to sit in judgement. That has been done to Brian by the legal system, and that judgement affects his every waking moment. He can travel only to locations that have been pre-approved. We may now expect that at any time our phone may ring or the police may visit our home to check up on his whereabouts. He cannot attend events where children may be present. He must attend weekly meetings to discuss his sexuality. He is not allowed to use the Internet or email. If he wants to look up something from the Barnes & Noble website, as he did last night, someone else has to do that for him. He is regularly reminded that if he breathes the wrong way, he will be thrown back in prison (which is where he learned to crochet, BTW).

He has 4-1/2 more years on parole. Those of you who know how much we wanted Mandy to stay close to home will see the humor in her falling for this handsome anchor. She knows she can't take him to the places she's lived and worked: New Orleans and Orlando's Disney World. And it had to have been very hard for her to think through all of the ramifications and then tell us.

And how do I feel about this? Call me crazy, but I'm really happy with the kid who ate focaccia and watched TV with us last night. I see a kid who's a little broken, but worthy of love. If Mandy's ready to see him through, so am I. DH says he's "okay with the guy." Admittedly, I want to shape the young man, as a teacher would. I want to be able to expand his world as much I can.

Adding a whole other element of strange to this story: His younger brother is completing his schooling and is guaranteed a job at the industrial business that surrounds our property. The odds of this being the case, given the enormity of business in this part of the state, are crazy-freakish. If the brother could get a foot in the door, maybe the boyfriend could get a job there and earn a decent living, which is very, very difficult given his status and the economy right now.

So, he's not the answer to every mother's prayer right now. But he may be a worthy fixer-upper. Time will tell.

If any of you has insight, feel free to advise. And thanks for listening. I'm glad to have someone to talk to, and I don't plan to tell my "3-D" friends as I feel it's not my place to do so--that's up to Mandy and Brian.
post #2 of 36
The statutory rape rule is one of the most ridiculous laws. I understand if an 18 year old sexually engages with a 12 year old (personally I'd rip that type of person's head off and feed it to them, which by the way is impossible if you think about it so don't ask me HOW but I swear I'd find a way) but in situations where a 22 or 23 year old has CONSENSUAL sex with a 16 or 17 year old I REALLY don't see how that is criminal or even can be referred to as "RAPE." IF he's a good guy then well he's a good guy. Women mature wayyyy faster than men as well so the mental age difference was probably less than the physical as well. In other words its not like he was preying on schoolgirls or has some sick fetish.

- Al
post #3 of 36
Thanks for sharing such an important instance of your life Quarry..my heart goes out to you and wishes you and your family well.

first of all, i don't consider myself experienced enough to comment on it...but something inside me is forcing me to put forth my view...

i do not understand Law as it is in Books. but if commonsense prevails, i understand the incident due to which the boy landed up in jail was something the girl was equally responsible for. it was too harsh to put him behind bars for something doen with mutual aggreement, i presume.

As long as you are clear about the facts which lead to him gettin imprisoned, i must say, it will tell a lot about the boys personality.

and most importantly, i believe, everyone in this world has some story which is unpleasant to share. sometimes it comes out, which it did in this boys case and sometimes it gets buried deep within with no one knowing about it...

everyone deserves a chance but, at the same time, you must give this boy this chance after you get to know him better and do your due diligence as parent to make sure your daughters life will be ok. co, as it;s obvious, she may face lot of challenges in future...like for eg. when they have kids...will it affect them in any way? and other practical challenges...so, it boils down to this....is it worth it....?
post #4 of 36
There are so many children that wish they could have parents as tolerant and open-minded as you. It is no wonder that Mandy has grown into an adult who can see through the initial impression to the person underneath.
I also know that I wouldn't want to be judged today on what I did when I was 18 or 21. Those experiences shaped the man that I became. As I believe these experiences will shape Mandy's new beau. What we do with the good and bad in our lives is an important read on what kind of person we strive to become. I think the new guy is working his way back in all of the right ways and I think you and your DH are doing all of the right things in being accepting of him and his situation.
Truly a beautiful lesson for all of us to think about in this holiday season.
post #5 of 36
I'm not a mom, so also perhaps not qualified to comment. I respect your and your husband's attitude, Quarry. I think you are intelligent and sensitive enough to know whether Boyfriend is a keeper (or fixer upper) or not. Your maternal instinct/gut would be screaming out loud if he were a truly rotten 'un.

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In other words its not like he was preying on schoolgirls or has some sick fetish.

This would be my concern. too.

I don't know why a kid like this can be so thoroughly monitored in his every move, but we can't find the missing children, or deal with the international web of child pornographers/abusers. It boggles my mind.

At any rate, I wish you all well. With parents like you, I'm sure your daughter will be well looked after. You sound like good people. (((hugs))) to you, Quarry.
post #6 of 36
Quarry,

Can I please ask you, what exactly are you more worried about? That he spent years in prison, or that he has sex with someone younger than 18 when he was 22?

The former is a direct result of the latter, so it might be good to consider if you, yourself, have any moral problems with that. As Anak remarked in the second post, it's not black or white. Someone who is 22 might have sex with someone who is 17 and while it's not legal to the letter, a 17 year old is smart enough to know what he or she is doing. And to my moral standards, I can't see much wrong with that. I can imagine that it would be different if the younger person was 12 or something like that.

I don't know the American law system that well, but I can imagine you don't just get 4 years in jail when having consensual sex with a 17 year old when you're 22. So I would guess the other person was much younger?

In that case I can understand your worries better. 'Does he have a wrong gene in his genome, will he do it again when he's 40?'

But really, was the other person *much* younger when it happened? To my feeling, it would make a huge difference in how to perceive this 'issue'.
post #7 of 36
This incident, if it is as innocent as it was presented, may possibly have shaped him towards responsibility in a good way. This has to be hard on you, dear one. Quarry, trust yourself. You have support here. ((()))
post #8 of 36
SMM has stated my thoughts precisely (and better than I could have!). I wish the courts could better distinguish between a heinous crime committed against a child and a youthful indiscretion. I think this fellow sounds like someone who has an enormous and not entirely deserved burden to shoulder, and it's wonderful that you all are willing to accept him and give him a chance. May his appreciation of this mean great, long-term happiness for your daughter!
post #9 of 36
Great points made by all.

What I can add is this: Time will tell.

As these two young people and their relationship evolve, their truths will rise to the surface and either enrich or end the pairing. My mom used to say it takes 2 years (minimum) to grow past the niceties of a relationship and find the truth. I think she was right. You have an excellent attitude and whatever happens, I have a feeling your little family will stick together - with or without the boy (aka - young man)!
post #10 of 36
As your sister in motherhood, I must be honest with you. I do not know this young man, but I know enough about you to believe that you have excellent intuition. Spend as much time with this man as you can, and try to get a really thorough, honest read on him. And check every bit of background on him that you can obtain.

Personally, I would need to know the details of his court case and conviction. They're public record, so go get them. This man received a severe punishment; essentially his young-adulthood was destroyed, so it would be necessary for me to know if he was a victim of overzealous policy, and if the teenage girl's accusations grew from spite or revenge. What happened to the girl? While I believe that some statutory rape convictions are ridiculous, (between consenting 16 & 18 year olds, for example!), I would want to know the exact age of the minor with whom a 22 year old man was involved. It seems that pedophiles do not recover. My sister-in-law is a sex crime therapist who specializes in "treating" pedophilia (which means teaching pedophiles that they must not act upon their perceived needs. They never really "get" why, and the threat of prison is the only effective behavioral deterrent.) My mother-in-law, an attorney, has had many cases involving pedophiles. Over the years, they've talked about some of their experiences, and it's clear that pedophilia is a severe disorder that cannot be cured.

However, if the case shows a relatively immature 22 year-old involved in a sexual relationship with a relatively mature, womanly 17 year-old, the whole thing is probably just an unfortunate consequence of bad decision-making.

Again, from a mother to a mother, make sure your daughter is aware that this man's felony record and prison time will follow him around for the rest of his life. As an adult, he has a criminal record, so his credibility will always be suspect in the eyes of authority. This could reflect badly on your daughter, too. Did the incident happen in your community? Gossips never stop stop their haunts.

His sentencing suggests that the girl must have been under age 16 /based on this:
http://www.birdsall-law.com/crime/ch...al-assault.asp
post #11 of 36
I think the fact that your daughters' boyfriend likes to crochet is far more worrying than his past
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post #13 of 36
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Right, thank you. I read the articles - oops, just before you edited your message - , and to be honest, it's my turn to be a bit shocked.

I don't think anyone over here will have that much problems with a 17 year old having consensual sex with a 15 year old, as was the case in one of the articles. But as I can see now, it's obviously a much bigger issue in the US.

Now, here in The Netherlands of course downright pedophilia is also a crime, but I dare to say most Dutch people would find consensual sex between a 17 year old and a 15 year old unwise and maybe a bit foolish, but hardly a crime. I also don't think there is a law against it.

My parents are not Dutch, but I was born here, and when I was growing up often I found myself torn between different standards - the more progressive Dutch standards and the more conservative standards of my parents' culture. What I have learned is: what is right or wrong depends on who is looking at it, and what that persons' moral standards are.
post #14 of 36
Thread Starter 
First of all, thank you very much for surrounding me with good feelings in this. Basenotes is an exceptional community of thinkers. I appreciate your sharing your psych and legal experiences here and in private PMs to me. I even adore the "I'm more worried that he crochets" humor, as humor always is my way of whittling away at life's challenges and hardships. Honestly, you're just the best individuals a gal could hope to know.

I, too, want more details about the legal case and will be extracting them in sensitive increments. I know yesterday's revelations were an oppressive task for these two to tell us. I expect to hear from the parole officer who will probably enlighten us from another angle.

In our state, a pedophile is tagged for life and must register in each community where he moves. He may live no closer than a certain distance from a school or day care, etc. Mandy has seen Brian's online profile and mug shot, and she admits it's pretty hard to view.

As one who hoped to be a grandmother, of course I look at timelines, biological clocks, finances, and wonder about the course ahead. I look forward to meeting the fella's parents, who have apparently welcomed him back into their home and seen him through what must have been some wearying years. I think they live in the same vicinity as the incident, have a nice house and good jobs, so there's stability there.
post #15 of 36
I wish you much wisdom, Quarry.

Best thing is to use your motherly instinct. My mum was never wrong about my girlfriends.

('They are too good for you!!' )
post #16 of 36
I think Tovah put into words that which I would have stated as well.

I'd like to add though, that I would imagine your daughter, Quarry, would have most likely inherited her mum's astute intuition and her father's willingness to giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I think that ultimately, (armed with her parent's 'smarts') she is more than likely to be able to sense if there was any danger of a repeat performance, or shift in his intentions, by identifying known (and documented) markers in his behaviour.

I tend to think of a person innocent until proven guilty, based chiefly on my own interaction or relationship with that individual.
post #17 of 36
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I don't know the American law system that well, but I can imagine you don't just get 4 years in jail when having consensual sex with a 17 year old when you're 22. So I would guess the other person was much younger?

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. This aspect of the legal system is very strict. There have been many states that have enacted reform to remedy this "loophole." The punishment, IMHO, does not fit the crime, i.e., the fact that a 21 year old can spend 7-10 years in prison for having consensual sexual contact with a 17 year. This kid, from what you told us, is another victim of this draconian aspect of the law. I remember, when I was in law school, professors and students having very umm heated discussions about this issue.
post #18 of 36
Quarry, as a mother of teenagers and young adults, my heart goes out to you.

I must confess, when we first met, my first BF was 19 while I was 16. I remember the raging hormones and the over-whelming feelings that over-rode all else. We even knew that if we were found out, it would have been classified as "statutory rape" of a minor. Even that wouldn't have stopped us as we "think" the consequences only happen to other people.

It's unfortunate -- these may be unusual circumstances and as more information comes about, you'll get the answers and you'll know what to do and how to react. I'm sure that you and your family will pull through. Trust your gut instincts.

If Brian's only crime was a a lapse in judgement, he's lucky that he has Mandy and her supportive family behind him. It's unfortunate that he has to pay for this lapse for the rest of his life.
post #19 of 36
It would probably be prudent for you to find out the details of the case. However, people in his circumstance are in need of compassion and trust. After all he didn't kill or rob anyone.

In my family there was a similar tragedy. This relative of mine has a low IQ anyway, his horrid wife wanted to make him suffer in the divorce. So she coerced the young daughter (I think she was around 12) to say he had molested her. She was young and stupid and lied like her mother told her. The public defender (he was poor) advised him to plea bargain and CONFESS!!! to this which I'm sure he wouldn't have done. He's slow, but not corrupt in the least. He went to prison for 5 years. When his daughter realized what she had done she tried to recant but the judge wouldn't hear it because he had plead guilty!!! Poor kid. I didn't hear about any of this. I think my relative was so ashamed that she (his mother) didn't want anyone to know. I found out after he got out of jail and another relative told me. I felt awful, I still feel we could have done something to help if we had known.

My point is, this kind of thing is all so secretive and these laws are so unfair, I applaud you for giving this man a chance in life.
post #20 of 36
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As one who hoped to be a grandmother, of course I look at timelines, biological clocks, finances, and wonder about the course ahead. I look forward to meeting the fella's parents, who have apparently welcomed him back into their home and seen him through what must have been some wearying years. I think they live in the same vicinity as the incident, have a nice house and good jobs, so there's stability there.

Your daughter will always be just fine because she has you for a Mom! You and your husband appear to be extremely loving, fair people. This young man is lucky to have found all of you because your care and support can do nothing but benefit him!

As far as the "biological clock" stuff goes...I met my husband when I was 32. Last January, at age 42, I had my third baby. Mandy has plenty of time to find the man who will be the perfect partner and father for her children! Maybe it's this young man. Maybe this incident can be used to open eyes and help others regarding the unwavering laws regarding consensual sex.

Sending love to your and your family and I sincerely wish Mandy the best in happiness and love!
post #21 of 36
Just to echo, you need to find out the exact age of the girl in question and also if there are any other relevant factors.
If it is just about age and not any other issues (coercion, girl not fit to make decision etc) then for me 17 would be OK. The age of consent in the UK is 16 which to my mind is a good balance between realism and discouraging young children from having sex, though many I know had sex younger than that and seem to have turned out OK.
post #22 of 36
Joy!!...you are always such a joy and I personally love that you are so open and I am literally thrilled to be considered your friend.

My first reaction to all of this (I am the mother of a 48 year old, six-years clean and sober father of one with a record for Grand Larceny committed while he was drinking) was - they are both adults. And while your kid is always your kid - I for one have to resist the impulse to tell him to wash his hands before he sits down to eat - she's a grown up now. My stance is - if they ask for my opinion I tell them - otherwise hands off.

My AA Sponsor told me when I got sober (Beloved Son was nine at the time) to hold close with open hands...

His car looks right at home in your driveway...your kid is happy (a testimony to your closeness is that she shared all of this with you) you don't need to fix anyone up...and, one day at a time, go with the flow. (You did ask!)
post #23 of 36
Thread Starter 
Good advice, as always, Taolady. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving me another perspective. I like to think my goal is not to hold the reins but groom the path.



Disclaimer: I'm not a horsewoman, but I've got a stable of metaphors.
post #24 of 36
Quarry, let me echo the supportive words of the others. You and your family are decent and grounded. If every one of us who had sex before 18 suffered the full consequences of the puritanical laws of our country, few would be without records. Poor lad.

Still, I also agree with Tovah's cautionary words as well. We all create, consciously or not, our own narratives of events, both to make sense of them and to make ourselves look our best. It is not unethical to do a little quiet research. If it were my daughter, I would.

I would imagine that if your daughter had a child with Brian, their family might be under the eye of child welfare. It is a possibility.

You and your husband are thoughtful and prudent and have each other. Trust your hearts, but do use your minds.
post #25 of 36
I did not read all of the comments, I'm so consumed with annoyance about statutory rape laws. It just seems so irrational to brand that type of sexual relation as rape or paedophilia, and even moreso to sentence someone to prison for that "offence". I think your and your daughters impressions of him now are more valuable than whatever has happened in his past - whether he has been a victim of (insert rant) ridiculous laws/a vindictive ex or if he truly has been to blame for something.

Regarding what Tovah mentioned: whatever happened to bring about his conviction, I'd think it highly unlikely a true paedophile would enter a relationship with a girl in her late teens. By definition, paedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children.

The whole case reminds me of a friend of mine in high school; when we were both 16, she ended up with a boyfriend of then 24. I remember we all frowned at the couple, questioning his intentions as well as hers. However, their relationship was a mutually respectful one, and though I possibly will never understand the attraction between the two of them - it worked. I can't imagine the pathological thinking that would declare any such relationship imprudent or even a crime.

Edited to add:
After taking a deep breath and chanting Ohm 36 times, I felt up to reading the rest of the comments and *thinking*. Hey, I can be hot-headed.
There's some very sage advice up there, I find. I'm not at all familiar with American law, and yes - one must stop to think about the consequences of that fact in his past, quite apart from his (perceived) guilt. Whether or not I (we) think it fair, he *does* have a criminal record now, and perhaps psychological trauma from his imprisonment, too.

Anyway, Quarry, if your daughter takes after you she's levelheaded and capable. I have no doubt that between you, you'll have ample savvy to judge the situation. Best of luck in all this.
post #26 of 36
I had a close relative who was accused of rape. The case collapsed just days before it reached court. I was not told until much later and we never spoke about it. But it's one of those things that lingers and I regret not talking about it. Sadly it is too late now - there has been too much damage done which I also regret.

I don't have children so can't say I would give you an opinion of a mother, but speaking as a daughter I'd respectfully suggest you speak to Mandy about it all - she told you, so she may be wishing to speak to you about it? You know her best so you can judge this but it surely sounds like she is willing to open up about it.

You could ask your daughter later, if you were still anxious about it, if she had looked out the court reports and that option would still be open to you as well.

In all honesty, I think you have made up your mind about this young man, and you like him and you respect the choice your daughter has made in loving him. Trust your instincts - they led you to your family. Good luck with what you choose to do. Take care.
post #27 of 36
I'll say that I think your initial reaction was spot-on: 'he seems like a nice enough guy; we're happy for our daughter to date him but we need to know more about who he is and what he's done'. While your parental instinct is to protect your child, you know you need to give her the space to make her own decisions and you have to treat their relationship with respect, because this might end up in marriage. (Sounds like most times a child brings home a serious partner, actually.)

Knotty. I think this is a case for research so you know the absolute facts and then going with your gut feelings. You and your husband both seem to think the guy's nice, so it's not like you have to fake liking him.

Such good advice is given above. As ever, Tao is right. And so is SMM. And Tovah's point about the biological clock thing is bang on - I met my husband when I was 34 and had my daughter when I was 38. Lots of us gals are meeting our guys later on in life and it all still kind of works out.

We're all here for you as and when this story progresses.
And as an outsider, I have to agree that the statutory rape laws in your country are frankly incomprehensible. Obviously children need to be protected from abuse, but I was raised in the UK and agree with the Duckfinder General - to me, 16 is the norm.
post #28 of 36
The world is full of people that have commited actual crimes and never been caught. Give the guy a chance. I'd personally be looking up his background though. But I'd distrust anyone who would date my daughter, if I actually had any kids that is. CCAP is free for WI so he might be in there.
post #29 of 36
Hi Quarry, thanks for sharing the story....

My opinion?

Quarry.....I m in general a distrutful guy.....I hope the story of the guy is true, but hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I need to know 100% details....After that, you can accept the relationship.

My advice for a long term relation is to view his family....Is important to have a correct family, united, good values, etc....Thats a very important point to see.

Blessings,
post #30 of 36
My thoughts are with you Mom to Mom. As others have said, lots of sage advice and you know we are all here with love and support.
post #31 of 36
Thread Starter 
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you know we are all here with love and support.

Now you're making me all verklempt.
post #32 of 36
I wish you and your daughter all happiness.
I too bridle at the thought of someone unjustly punished or falsely accused.That said, I'm a fairly guarded and skeptical person. I don't know that it's brought me happiness or that I'd recommend it, but I think it's kept me safe. I would have concerns. I would check the public record for details, because that's where the facts are. I would do so immediately. If everything is as he says then he absolutely deserves the chance to put the incident behind him, It's wonderful that he's met people warm and open-minded enough to let him.
I'm afraid to upset you by being too negative, but every time I walk away from the computer not having typed because I feel like it's not my place to say anything, or I'm afraid I might give offense, my stomach tightens and I keep having the same thoughts. Here's where the story gives me pause:
We may have a lot of talk in the conservative media about family values, but in practice I don't think many of us are blind to the fact that many many teenagers are sexually active. It's become a pretty pervasive fact. Enough so that the idea that our 17 year old daughters are dating a boy 4 years older isn't as much a concern because she might have sex as do we approve of the boy apart from the issue of sex. Most parents wouldn't have the boy arrested, Most parents if the couple were caught and he were detained wouldn't be interested in pressing charges, not unless there were something else about him they objected to.
Obviously, every circumstance is different. The most likely scenario is that if you feel the young man is being honest with you, he is. But if he's not, you're not going to get the truth from him. I think you should check. Once you confirm that his account is true, you'll never have to worry about it again.
post #33 of 36
Quarry, your sharing of this terrible dilemma grabbed my attention. Notwiithstanding that "your kids may grow older, but they're always your kids!", remember that your daughter is 29 and capable of making her own decisions and capable of dealing with the consequences - good or bad. Your responsibility as the parent of an adult is to be supportive of whatever her decision might be, and to be there for her in a non-judgmental way should she have adverse consequences.

Having said that, I encourage you to inobtrusively research the young man's story and, should you find it to be untrue, to share your findings with your daughter.

No matter what, it will take a while for this situation to settle out. If they continue the relationship, they're both old enough to have the maturity necessary to learn how to deal with the draconian results of our misguided attempts to legislate morality among kids in their mid-teens.

As a sidebar, if the guy is the victim of circumstances, I strongly feel that it's quite possible the girl's parents, when they decided to press charges, were overreacting to their guilt from not giving their daughter some basic sex education.
post #34 of 36
As a mother of three children (ages 15,17,24) my initial gut instinct would be OH SHIT. Then after I calmed down I would remember that I have raised my children to be compassionate, kind, forgiving, free thinking individuals that are accepting of all people. Quarry, your daughter is 29 and I am sure you have raised her to have the same wonderful qualities you have. If this is the first boyfriend she has ever had you meet she certainly does not seem to be rash or immature. I had many boyfriends over age 18 when I was 16 and 17 . If Mandy chose for you to meet him in spite of his background there must be a good reason because bringing home someone listed as a sex offender at any age can not be easy. I would certainly want to know more facts and while it is not an ideal situation for your child to be in when you are considering her future.....it is utimately her choice and I would think at 29 she has the ability to reason and weigh her decisions. Of course us moms are always poised and ready to inflict bodily damage on someone who hurts our child at any age! I think the fact that he was forthcoming with the information and that he was present for the discussion says a lot about his character. I will be thinking about you and your family and I wish you the best.
post #35 of 36
Quarry you seem very wise! It makes me happy to see that your views are open yet still rational. It is important to realize that sometimes people do awful things because they are in a strange mind states, in strange situations, which don't essentially reflect who they really are. We've all done "stupid" things when we were younger. I would personally continue to be cautious about your daughter's boyfriend, yet remain as compassionate as possible, and treat him in a respectable way without (obvious) biases.
Please continue to be so positive! Even people who wish to change their ways are very susceptible to the negative self-fulling prophecies put onto them by others.

ps. The age of the girl in the "scandal" would change the amount of "precautions" I would take with the new boyfriend, yet I wouldn't treat him any differently on the surface. (Anything below the age of puberty would qualify in my books as a serious sexual disorder, requiring extra effort from everyone around the boyfriend to help him in his treatment).
post #36 of 36
Quarry, thanks for sharing your story. You expressed it all with such love and understanding. As a mother of a daughter who will be 23 in a couple of weeks, my heart goes out to you. As so many before me have said, I would research this very carefully and if the story is as has been told to you, then I would leave it alone and let them grow the relationship.

You and your family sound so well grounded and realistic.

Best of luck and warm hugs from me.
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