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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
So, when people talk about 'white florals', which florals are included? I assume jasmine, gardenia, orange blossom and tuberose. What about lily of the valley? Any others?

Please educate me!
post #2 of 13
I would include Osmanthus.

I have a big bag of dried Taiwanese osmanthus I add to oolong tea... wonderful stuff.
post #3 of 13
Yes kess, those flowers you listed are what most of us mean, when we speak about white florals.

I think I personally use the term to describe indolic florals - not necessarily a flower that is white in color.

I would think lemon tree blossoms might also be added to this category, does anyone disagree?
post #4 of 13
I would include lily also.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks for the comments.

i'll go with mikeperez' explanation on 'indolic' flowers -- I seem to associate "white flowers" with heady scents.
post #6 of 13
Iris?
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post

Iris?

I don't think so.

Iris has such a different quality to it than those others mentioned above.
post #8 of 13
Aren't Iris scents are usually based on the scent of the dried and aged rhisome and not the flower? .
post #9 of 13
I was looking in wikipedia for the term "indole" and I found some interesting information:

"Indole is an aromatic heterocyclic organic compound (...) Indole is a solid at room temperature. Indole can be produced by bacteria as a degradation product of the amino acid tryptophan. It occurs naturally in human feces and has an intense fecal odor. At very low concentrations, however, it has a flowery smell, and is a constituent of many flower scents (such as orange blossoms) and perfumes. It also occurs in coal tar.

(...) Natural jasmine oil, used in the perfume industry, contains around 2.5% of indole. Since 1 kilogram of the natural oil requires processing several million jasmine blossoms and costs around $10,000, indole (among other things) is used in the manufacture of synthetic jasmine oil (which costs around $10/kg)."

Yes, orange blossoms, gardenias, and tuberose are also indolic flowers and depending on the concentration, can lend voluptuous and sultry notes to a perfume.

But what about champaca flower, neroli, magnolia, ylang ylang or lotus?

I found some answers here too:
http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1006511.html
See on the right the column "Natural occurrence in" :
bergamot oil @ 0.000-0.009%
dried bonito
butter
champaca absolute @ 2.90%
champaca concrete @ 4.00%
roasted coffee
couroupita guianensis aubl. flower oil brazil @ 0.20%
egg
fish
jasmin
jasmin absolute concrete egypt @ 3.84%
jasmin absolute concrete india @ 1.07-1.85%
jasmin absolute concrete italy @ 1.39%
jasmin oil italy @ 4.21%
jonquil
lecythis usitata miers. var. paraensis (ducke) r. kunth. flower oil brazil @ 0.40%
malt
mikan peel oil @ trace%
narcissus absolute @ 1.51%
narcissus absolute @ 6.30%
neroli
neroli oil CO2 extract @ 0.45%
olive oil
orangeflower absolute morocco @ 2.6-9.9%
orangeflower water absolute @ 0.0-3.2%
petitgrain combava oil @ trace%
robinia pseudacacia
rum
tea
thyme oil wild or creeping france @ 0.09%
burley tobacco
wallflower
wine
ylang ylang oil CO2 extract @ 0.13%
post #10 of 13
Thanks Mike & Surreallity - Iris an interesting one for me . . . still getting my head around it. Reason I asked is because I have Bois d'Hiris (TDC) and these is a quality there that I also get from Carnal Flower . . . maybe it's the raw non-perfumey 'dampness' or something, but fascinating - I'm new to florals altogether, frankly.
post #11 of 13
Great list senZuality! Narcissus hadn't occurred to me, but I think I get that. Unfortunately, they are long finished blooming for the year here, but I hope to remember to check them for an indolic quality when they come back up at the end of next winter.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by surreality View Post

Aren't Iris scents are usually based on the scent of the dried and aged rhisome and not the flower? .

Iris scent is from the rhizome, and it could be from the old method of expression or a more recent method of infusion (thus explaining the glut of new iris perfumes in 2008).
post #13 of 13
The scent from the rhizome (orris root) is really very different from the scent of iris flowers though, isn't it?
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