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post #1 of 142
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I emailed the CREED USA website, and they said the new 2009 CREED Sublime Vanille fragrance for men will be available at Neiman Marcus in time for the Holiday season.

I reserved a bottle.
post #2 of 142
An 8.4oz? Rather a confident blind order, I'd say.
post #3 of 142
Uh Oh. Seeing as how Creed uses synthetics en masse these days, there's no way it's ever going to be better than Tihota or Spiritueuse Double Vanille. Such a shame it'll probably cost at least 3/4 of the price too.

Anyway, I'll stop running my mouth until I actually try it.
post #4 of 142
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Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post

Uh Oh. Seeing as how Creed uses synthetics en masse these days, there's no way it's ever going to be better than Tihota or Spiritueuse Double Vanille. Such a shame it'll probably cost at least 3/4 of the price too.

Anyway, I'll stop running my mouth until I actually try it.

Pretty harsh there, considering the modern Guerlains and others you love so much are actually loaded with more synthetics and fast approaching mediocre designer budgets. I wouldn't be surprised if Sublime Vanille featured higher quality materials than the latest batch of vanilla fragrances from other companies.
post #5 of 142
And I wonder what guarentee you people have for saying 'this and that company / scent uses natural ingredients'.

Apart from the fact that using natural ingredients doesn't necessarily make a scent better.
post #6 of 142
Thanks for sharing. I have been awaiting for updates and responses since I first heard of it here. Do they come in the 4.oz and 2.5oz? Or is it confirmed that they only do 8.4 oz aka pte collection, as mentioned in the other thread?
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Originally Posted by Stereotomy View Post

And I wonder what guarentee you people have for saying 'this and that company / scent uses natural ingredients'.

Apart from the fact that using natural ingredients doesn't necessarily make a scent better.

True.

All the Private Collection fragrances are made with very good ingredients and are enjoyable fragrances. If Sublime Vanille doesn't deliver in the quality of ingredients and/or composition attractiveness (depending on what one prefers) there are many here who will call it out on that. Simply really.
post #8 of 142
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Originally Posted by Stereotomy View Post

And I wonder what guarentee you people have for saying 'this and that company / scent uses natural ingredients'.

Apart from the fact that using natural ingredients doesn't necessarily make a scent better.

You're right, but in the case of vanilla-dominated fragrances, if you go too far in the direction of synthetic vanillas (eg. vanillin), you end up smelling like cheap vanilla dryer sheets.
post #9 of 142
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Originally Posted by zztopp View Post

Pretty harsh there, considering the modern Guerlains and others you love so much are actually loaded with more synthetics and fast approaching mediocre designer budgets. I wouldn't be surprised if Sublime Vanille featured higher quality materials than the latest batch of vanilla fragrances from other companies.

Not to start a Creed debate here (I do love their frags) I can't think of more than a few fragrances of theirs in the past 20 years that featured a large percentage of naturals. For example, Original Santal smells like Joop with a *barely noticeable sandalwood note amid a chemical soup - not that I don't like it.

Even if Guerlain's frags are going in a synthetic direction too these days, they still smell better quality than most designer and niche fragrances, including Creed. Just take a look at the L'art et la matiere line. (For sake of argument, let's pretend Guerlain Homme doesn't exist ).
post #10 of 142
Add the fact that synthetics can be great and expensive, too!

Actually, Creed has a really nice vanilla-dominated fragrance that gets very little love around here: Vanisia. I think it's right up there with stuff like SDV and Tihota!
post #11 of 142
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Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post

Even if Guerlain's frags are going in a synthetic direction too these days, they still smell better quality than most designer and niche fragrances, including Creed. Just take a look at the L'art et la matiere line. (For sake of argument, let's pretend Guerlain Homme doesn't exist ).

You do realise that the L'art et la matiere line is Guerlains version of the 'Private Collection'...at the very least one would expect better materials than the $0.25 budget of the Aqua Allegorias, Guerlain hommes and Insolences

Guerlain does vanilla very well, but the vanilla that Creed uses in Vanisia and Angelique Encens is top shelf material as well.

Anyway this thread is not about Guerlain vs Creed....its about S. Vanille...when we get a chance to try it out we can come back here and post our impressions and comparisons against other vanilla blockbusters.
post #12 of 142
Thanks for the info. I'm looking forward to try that one.

Although I have departed from my once great and unquestioned love for Creed I, upon revisiting them, find that they have a great range of convincing and even outstanding fragrances in their line.
post #13 of 142
I will try it. I have SDV on order, due anyday here in Cleveland.
post #14 of 142
I want to try this new creed but can anyone confirm if they come in smaller sizes preferrably 2.5oz.
post #15 of 142
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Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post

(For sake of argument, let's pretend Guerlain Homme doesn't exist ).

Nooooooooooooo!

post #16 of 142
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Originally Posted by gdawg View Post

I want to try this new creed but can anyone confirm if they come in smaller sizes preferrably 2.5oz.

I would be shocked if it didn't.

Why go to market with the intent of selling very few? That is what Clive does!
post #17 of 142
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Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post

For example, Original Santal smells like Joop with a *barely noticeable sandalwood note amid a chemical soup - not that I don't like it.

(For sake of argument, let's pretend Guerlain Homme doesn't exist ).

exactly ! same way, let's pretend Original Santal doesnt exist and stay on topic. jeez..
post #18 of 142
Ooo. Was about time I suppose. Creed Oud would probably be next in line
post #19 of 142
I think it will be a good one, but why make a vanilla fragrance?
post #20 of 142
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Originally Posted by Amit View Post

Creed Oud would probably be next in line

You mean Original Oud?
post #21 of 142
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Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post

Not to start a Creed debate here (I do love their frags) I can't think of more than a few fragrances of theirs in the past 20 years that featured a large percentage of naturals. For example, Original Santal smells like Joop with a *barely noticeable sandalwood note amid a chemical soup - not that I don't like it.

Even if Guerlain's frags are going in a synthetic direction too these days, they still smell better quality than most designer and niche fragrances, including Creed. Just take a look at the L'art et la matiere line. (For sake of argument, let's pretend Guerlain Homme doesn't exist ).

Rather a grand statement. Perfectly valid though if you qualify with: "IN MY OPINION".
post #22 of 142
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Rather a grand statement. Perfectly valid though if you qualify with: "IN MY OPINION".

Of course.

Either way I thought we all agreed to stick to the real topic here... We can waste our time arguing once we've all smelled Sublime Vanille.
post #23 of 142
Thread Starter 
Any news on a release date?
post #24 of 142
I'm looking forward to this creed release, at least I can get free samples at Saks and go from there.
post #25 of 142
I wouldn't mind a sniffy sniff of this...whos got the samples?!
post #26 of 142
This sounds interesting.....If I were to purchase.....I would want an 8oz. bottle.....Oh Well.....Gary
post #27 of 142
I've smelled it. I've worn it. I even posted it (twice) as my SOTD on the ladies board. I've had a sample for over a month.

I'll tell you about it, but you have to realize that I wasn't given ANY notes whatsoever. SO...it's only my opinion.
post #28 of 142
Well.. then please share your opinion

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Originally Posted by RHM View Post

I've smelled it. I've worn it. I even posted it (twice) as my SOTD on the ladies board. I've had a sample for over a month.

I'll tell you about it, but you have to realize that I wasn't given ANY notes whatsoever. SO...it's only my opinion.
post #29 of 142
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Well.. then please share your opinion

Details please.....
post #30 of 142
Spill da beans.........
post #31 of 142
ok.....first things first.

The juice is clear, no color at all. "Big" vanilla scents usually are darker hued, not true with this one. You draw your own conclusions with that.

As I recall, the opening was "refreshing" and I swore I smelled mint. But.....the powers that be assured me that there "was no mint".

I have already liberally applied Samsara edt as my SOTD, else I would offer you a more complete review immediately.

Full disclosure, photos, bottle sizes, notes, will be published in Sniffapalooza Magazine later tonight, according to Raphaella Barkley, editor. http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/

I can't do better than the facts & we won't have long to wait for those, just a few short hours.
post #32 of 142
Thanks RHM, will look out for that sniffa article.

Minty notes can come from lavender or blackcurrant too, they share aromachemical components.

You sound a little unsure...did you like it?

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Originally Posted by RHM View Post

ok.....first things first.

The juice is clear, no color at all. "Big" vanilla scents usually are darker hued, not true with this one. You draw your own conclusions with that.

As I recall, the opening was "refreshing" and I swore I smelled mint. But.....the powers that be assured me that there "was no mint".

I have already liberally applied Samsara edt as my SOTD, else I would offer you a more complete review immediately.

Full disclosure, photos, bottle sizes, notes, will be published in Sniffapalooza Magazine later tonight, according to Raphaella Barkley, editor. http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/

I can't do better than the facts & we won't have long to wait for those, just a few short hours.
post #33 of 142
Thread Starter 
Did you smell a powerful vanilla?
post #34 of 142
From Sniffapalooza Magazine article -

"Sublime Vanille is the first of five scents in the Royal Exclusive line. The scent is hand made with vanilla-rich climbing orchids of Tahiti and heady Bourbon vanilla of South America. Tonka bean, bergamot orange, Calabrian lemon and rare musk in the hands of Olivier CREED become a fragrance as richly reassuring as family tradition itself. The Royal Exclusives are sure to be sought and safekept for decades and generations by CREED connoisseurs -- and those who wish to start their first fragrance collection with a true asset."
post #35 of 142
Oh yes, I liked it very much! I'm not a fan of vanilla scents, in general. I think they are sometimes heavy handed & overdone. Too much of a good thing, mentality.
This one, however, I WANT.

It was very long lasting but had more character than a straight up vanilla scent. Difficult to explain......my sample was sooooo very tiny. BUT...I can tell you, it made my eyes roll in my head, if that means anything.
post #36 of 142
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Originally Posted by RHM View Post

Oh yes, I liked it very much! I'm not a fan of vanilla scents, in general. I think they are sometimes heavy handed & overdone. Too much of a good thing, mentality.
This one, however, I WANT.

It was very long lasting but had more character than a straight up vanilla scent. Difficult to explain......my sample was sooooo very tiny. BUT...I can tell you, it made my eyes roll in my head, if that means anything.

Thanks. I think that eyes rolling in head means everything .
post #37 of 142
Thread Starter 
The juice looks amazing!

Check it out: http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com...LESUBLIME.html


Is it truly unisex?
post #38 of 142
Vanilla top notes and a bergamot & lemon citrus base??? If that's a fact the citrus cannae be very natural?!
And what is rare musk? Do they mean Roure musk?
post #39 of 142
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Originally Posted by the_good_life View Post

Vanilla top notes and a bergamot & lemon citrus base??? If that's a fact the citrus cannae be very natural?!
And what is rare musk? Do they mean Roure musk?

Ok done swooning over the gorgeous images of the bottles. Wowza.

What do you mean GoodLife, re the citrus not being natural (pardon my ignorance )
post #40 of 142
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Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post

Ok done swooning over the gorgeous images of the bottles. Wowza.

What do you mean GoodLife, re the citrus not being natural (pardon my ignorance )

Natural citrus is emphatically a top note. Here it is listed as a base note.
post #41 of 142
Making "investment" quality fragrances sound like a load of bull to me, and a worrying direction for Creed.
Basically I think they are making a good quality fragrance from good ingredients (as they usually do) and trippling the price (from the already inflated "luxury" price).
post #42 of 142
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Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post

Natural citrus is emphatically a top note. Here it is listed as a base note.

So a natural citrus cannot be a base note? Interesting. Thank you!
post #43 of 142
Love the new flacons - its like how the Transformers were redesigned from G1 to G2 . The packaging is sure to draw in lots of new perfumistas from nearby Guerlain gondolas..

But wow! at the pyramid ... how is that even being accomplished? I sure as hell am even more interested in it now. At the very least it should make Luca Turin happy..
post #44 of 142
Will this be a fragrance for women or gender shared?
post #45 of 142
LOL! The note pyramid must be a mistake!

"Bottled in hand-blown Pochet glass etched with CREEDs famous crest, the fine fragrance is released with a gentle squeeze on a fabric pump, in perfumerys classic tradition. When not in use, the pump is easily removed and replaced with a multifaceted hand-cut glass stopper that turns bottle into sculpture. For transport, the glass top is covered with white Italian leather, secured with a gold cord."

Sounds like using the bottle may become cumbersome after a while...
post #46 of 142
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LOL! The note pyramid must be a mistake!

I'm assuming so too...
post #47 of 142
I don't know. Tabarome is described here

http://www.creedfragrances.co.uk/sit...ime_fragrances
as having a basenote of tobacco laced with with bergamot. Indeed, I smell an orangy citrus note in the drydown of tabarome.

The basenote of sublime vanille is decribed as bergamot, lemon and "rare musk".

Either they have infused the musk with citrus using some special and unique trick ?? or they may be using an aromachemical which is woody or musky with citrus accents. There is one which is a citrusy woody-amber, I have forgotten its name right now, butit may well be that someone has developed a citrusy musk base note.
post #48 of 142
^^ take a look at Turin's latest article in NZZ Folio. He talks about this exact subject.
post #49 of 142
Ok, hold up peeps. This is only going to come in the mammoth 8.4 oz flacon? That bottle is absolutely gorgeous, and the juice sounds swoon-worthy as well, but Creed! Get with the trends, their trending towards SMALLER bottles, not LARGER ones. Man, what a shame.
post #50 of 142
I was confused when I saw the list of the notes, topsy turvy to me. Plus, I definitely smelled the (well what smelled like mint to me but must have been the) citrus combo right off the bat. The scent is absolutely genderless, IMO.

I thought it was really, really good...hence, the eye roll comment. When I like a scent, I ignore the gender label.

The Creed rep at Bergies (not Gus, did you like my photo of him last issue?) was taking pre orders. She did give me two carded samples, unsolicited, I might add.

AND.....the scent is supposed to be sold in a smaller size, although I noticed no price was quoted in the press release. What Raph printed in the magazine is what Creed gave her.
post #51 of 142
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AND.....the scent is supposed to be sold in a smaller size, although I noticed no price was quoted in the press release. What Raph printed in the magazine is what Creed gave her.

Oh, ok. Thank god. Not many in this economy have $475 to plunk down on perfume, amazing or not.
post #52 of 142
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Oh, ok. Thank god. Not many in this economy have $475 to plunk down on perfume, amazing or not.

Agreed. Maybe they will release in smaller bottles eventually.
post #53 of 142
D*mn! Those carded samples are not of Sublime Vanilla. Tricksy SA. She gave me GIT & IM.

Sombody want them? Send me a PM. 1st person to contact me...gets 'em.

Thanks for tolerating me rambling on.....
post #54 of 142
All gone!

BTW...you only need apply a "dot" of the Sublime Vanilla. It is a HUGE scent.
post #55 of 142
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Originally Posted by RHM View Post

D*mn! Those carded samples are not of Sublime Vanilla. Tricksy SA. She gave me GIT & IM.

Sombody want them? Send me a PM. 1st person to contact me...gets 'em.

Thanks for tolerating me rambling on.....

Doh! Ah well, so I guess no one has actually smelled this...plus now we know you really like MI and GIT
post #56 of 142
ZZ, I do have a tiny sample. I just assumed that the SA, who pursued me around the corner at Bergies, had given me Sublime Vanilla carded samples. (Since that was what I had JUST asked her about.)

So...yes, I do actually have a sample of Sublime Vanilla & I am wearing it right now.

It's a big scent. You don't need to wear a lot of it.

When I first put it on, I get an "impression" (I kid you not) of mint chocolate chip ice cream....really, really good mint chocolate chip ice cream.

Then it smooths out to citrus', a mellow vanilla...like the orchid...not the vanilla pod, if that makes any sense. Then there's a "hit" of tobacco notes...... big and round.

I have a hard time smelling musks, so I have to leave describing that part to others but I can tell you a tiny, tiny bit of this last FOREVER.

Now, does that help a little bit?

Oh & I am really not sure at all about the smaller bottle being available. That is a TBA.
post #57 of 142
Hermes Eau de Merveilles has an upside down pyramid, with what would *normally* be basenotes as tops and vice-versa with lemon and orange in the base. I thought it worked beautifully and now I am REALLY curious to sniff this Creed.

The only way to achieve this is with synthetic citrus? Thank you in advance for indulging my constant questions, I appreciate it.
post #58 of 142
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Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post

Hermes Eau de Merveilles has an upside down pyramid, with what would *normally* be basenotes as tops and vice-versa with lemon and orange in the base. I thought it worked beautifully and now I am REALLY curious to sniff this Creed.

The only way to achieve this is with synthetic citrus? Thank you in advance for indulging my constant questions, I appreciate it.

Well natural citrus fruit oils are composed of light moleclues which need less heat energy to make them evapourate and so diffuse quickly giving an intense blast of *lemon/lime/bergamot/etc*. Broadly speaking, heart notes are next most diffusive (heavier molecules, often florals) and the base notes the least diffusive and heaviest molecules. The perfumer's craft has long been focused on blending carefully in order to prolong the evapouration of top and heart notes while at all times presenting a pleasing and/or interesting composition. There are citrus synthetics and semi-synthetics which last longer into the heart. I have smelled some bergamot notes in the heaart of fragrance (possibly as heavier components of the oil are separated off) Natural citrus fruit oils are always light though, and that "citrus hit" which I love so much, is alas, short lived.
Neroli, which is made from citrus flowers is a longer lasting note which can be used as a top or heart note or often to bridge the two.
Of course, it is not really that simple because the order of evapouration is not strict. Often you can smell the base notes from the beginning...its complicated (and I don't claim to understand it properly..)

It is possible that someone has found a revolutionary mixture which holds the natural citrus in the base until the fragrance gets there, but I very miuch doubt it. Much more likely is some kind of synthetic aromachemical with a citrusy aspect is blended with the musk. Possibly through something like Turin was working on ion the article referenced above or through a pre existing chemical which has a citric component, of which I think there are a few.
post #59 of 142
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Well natural citrus fruit oils are composed of light moleclues which need less heat energy to make them evapourate and so diffuse quickly giving an intense blast of *lemon/lime/bergamot/etc*. Broadly speaking, heart notes are next most diffusive (heavier molecules, often florals) and the base notes the least diffusive and heaviest molecules. The perfumer's craft has long been focused on blending carefully in order to prolong the evapouration of top and heart notes while at all times presenting a pleasing and/or interesting composition. There are citrus synthetics and semi-synthetics which last longer into the heart. I have smelled some bergamot notes in the heaart of fragrance (possibly as heavier components of the oil are separated off) Natural citrus fruit oils are always light though, and that "citrus hit" which I love so much, is alas, short lived.
Neroli, which is made from citrus flowers is a longer lasting note which can be used as a top or heart note or often to bridge the two.
Of course, it is not really that simple because the order of evapouration is not strict. Often you can smell the base notes from the beginning...its complicated (and I don't claim to understand it properly..)

It is possible that someone has found a revolutionary mixture which holds the natural citrus in the base until the fragrance gets there, but I very miuch doubt it. Much more likely is some kind of synthetic aromachemical with a citrusy aspect is blended with the musk. Possibly through something like Turin was working on ion the article referenced above or through a pre existing chemical which has a citric component, of which I think there are a few.

Very interesting, thanks for that, NOW I get it

So much illusion, smoke and mirrors this perfume stuff
post #60 of 142
Does anyone know if it is out yet? any stores carrying it? Wondering if i should make a trip to Bergdorf Goodman?
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