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post #1 of 14
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I've gotten a bit bored with my culinary repertoire lately. So I've decided to go on an artisan bread bender for awhile. Despite the warnings of several friends that baking is more art than science, I am determined to abuse myself in this regard until I can turn out fresh bread for any occasion. I have brewed my own beer since before I was old enough to drink, so I am well acquainted with the proclivities and peculiarities of our microbe friends. So, why not?

First thing I did is seek out every authority I could locate on the subject and read everything they had to say on the matter. Ok, done. Let's give it a whack...

I decided to start today with a very basic recipe and see what comes out of it.

water, all-purpose flour, salt and dried yeast...

amazing what that can bring forth, eh?

I made what was supposed to be enough dough for four 1lb loaves. The visual cue was a ball "the size of a grapefruit".

I'm not sure where the author lives, but in Florida, that's pretty big. I wound up with enough dough for a third small loaf after the first two went in.

My first attempt was hampered by 3 things. 1. not enough cornmeal on the peel. THis caused the loaf to stick in one place and lose it's shape. 2. baking temp was too low. Damn you GE! Calibrate these things before you ship them eh? I was 20 degrees F too low. 3. improper loaf size. I think I was about 1.25-1.5 lbs on the first loaf. Note to self: buy a scale.

The first loaf went in for 30 min and turned a nice, light tan color and was slightly misshapen.



I watched it carefully and as it cooled, the nice, firm crust began to soften, esp on the bottom. I decided that this was no good and returned it to the oven for another 20 min. That improved the color and the softening issue. Once it was completely cool, I sliced into it and found the crumb (interior) nice and spongy and moist. It's like a good cake. I now know what they mean by "custard crumb".



The crust has a great flavor and a perfect chew. The only complaint is that the interior is a bit dense. Next time I will let it rise a bit longer and see if I can't correct that.

The second loaf came out much nicer. I corrected the oven temperature and used enough cornmeal on the baker's peel that it slid right off and there was no dough to wash off. I also increased the baking time to compensate for the increased weight. It held it's shape better and turned a nice caramel color. It's crust held firm during cooling. I will have that one for breakfast in the morning.



All told, I am very pleased with my initial results. Is anyone out there a baker or seeking to learn it?

If so, weigh in. As olifactory-oriented as we are, this should be a natural. My house smells amazing.
post #2 of 14
Those look yummy!

I bake our bread but usually use bread machines and play around with the recipes to suit myself. I've made bread without machines but none of the type you have pictured.

One thing I've learned to do is to keep careful records whenever I experiment with a new recipe. If I alter the recipe, I change only one thing at a time--to limit the variables in each new experiment.

I also recently bought a digital kitchen scale-- it's slim and fits on my bookcase with my cookbooks. It's this one, but I paid only $39.95 at a local chef's supply store:

http://www.escali.com//index.php?p=p...id=85&parent=3
post #3 of 14
thaifighter- that is pretty good looking bread ! You did really well without the scale !

I have a really sweet client who is on a vegan/ vegetarian/ organic kick and she has been churning out all kinds of bread minus all kinds of preservatives and all organic. So I now have a bread supplier ......they taste pretty good and she did them in a bread maker.
post #4 of 14
Those look beautiful, especially for your first try! Congratulations! I haven't baked any bread yet this year. I like to make focaccia because it's so simple to do and my husband loves it. I've tried a few other kinds, too. I'm not an expert baker. I would love to be able to make a really good baguette. I want to quibble with your friends on one point:
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the warnings of several friends that baking is more art than science,...

On the contrary, baking is a science, which is why recipes (formulae) should be followed as closely as possible (bread is pretty forgiving, though). Cooking is an Art. I can't wait to see your further experiments.
post #5 of 14
From my experience, fresh yeast always gives you better results. But yeah, those look amazing for a first try. There's a wonderful and hilarious essay by Jeffery Steingarten on breadbaking you must read (I only have it in German translation) - collected in his "The Man Who Ate Everything".
post #6 of 14
Bread baking is so life affirming. I love to knead. And the smells of the dough at its different stages!

What I recommend to you immediately is King Arthur Flour. Go to their website and check out the flour selection. They have everything, the perfect flours for French bread, wholemeal flour, hard winter wheat, etc. The website has bread baking forums, advice, recipes. Your life will be transformed!
post #7 of 14
thaifighter ,

You are doing this exactly right, especially keeping records of the changes you make and the results.

You might want to look for Ratio: The Simples Codes Behind the Craft of Everyday Cooking, which really focuses on breads and pastires. The cover shows a chart with the ratios of key ingredients in 16 kinds of doughs. The center of the chart is a balance. Since bakers can't taste and adjust a dough in the same way as, say, a pasta sauce, working by weight is strongly recommended.

Unfortunately I'm Type II diabetic. My blood sugar is under good control, but making and eating a lot of bread is not on my ToDoList.
post #8 of 14
Your loaf looks like a sour dough loaf of bread, but it must not be since you didn't mention any sour dough starter. I went to Northwest Sourdough our of western WA and ordered their sour dough starter (14.00 for the starter and shipping I think it was). I cheat and put it in the breadmaker with a little yeast. Wow, your's looks great.
post #9 of 14
Congrat's thai!

Ray my husband, has a side business where he bakes (wholesale) and so yes...I know very well the time, money, frustration and work involved in baking. Keep it up!

One tip I remember hearing about baking is when you add the water, make sure it's as cold as possible.

And yes, when he bakes, the house smells fantastic. We definitely don't need as many candles burning around the house to keep it smelling good.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for the kind replies.

Therese, you rock my world, that's an awesome resource. It's good to find a company that understands that educating your customers is a great marketing tool.

The second loaf came out wonderful and made for a perfect breakfast with butter and jam.

My next purchase will be some sourdough starter and I'm going to play around with some different flours to see what sort of bounty that holds. I kept my favorite beer yeast going for three years until I had a fridge failure in a rental house. I look forward to having a new baby to rock.

If anyone else has anything to add to Eliza's excellent suggestion, I'd appreciate it.

Eliza: which one did you order? The website has about a dozen available.
post #11 of 14
Wonderful results thaifighter! I bet that bread tastes as good as it looks.

I remember making both Sourdough, Italian and French style breads years ago, along with sourdough English muffins in a cast iron skillet. You have inspired me to make some bread in the near future
post #12 of 14
Good GOD this thread has made me hungry. Wifey and I are on a low-carb kick so all I can do is stare and drool!
Thaifighter, your loaves look fab!

Mira is a phenomenally good cook and baker, and makes a mean no-knead bread from a recipe found on the net (see the link here). Its DELICIOUS and pretty much hassle free. Here is the one she made just 2 days before our low-carb thing kicked in.

post #13 of 14
For a first loaf you did damn well!
Definitely use a scale. All the above suggestions are spot on.
The crumb looked good as well, the denseness can be controlled by a tad longer proofing: after forming your loaves refrigerate them overnight. Pull them out the following morning to come to room temp and finish proofing. This helps flavor and crumb development. Longer baking will also help remove more moisture and hence density. Don't be afraid to leave it in the oven longer -a darker crust is not necessarily bad.

Get a pizza stone if you don't already have one. And when you slide you loaves into the oven, use a spray bottle to jet a few sprays of water on the bottom of your oven (not the stone) and quickly close the door. The steam will add more chew to the crust and help it blister up.

Keep it up! Give away your buildup of bread to neighbors and family -you'll be a town hero!
post #14 of 14
So much great info.

You need the scale, especially in a humid climate since the humidity will add weight to your flour. I live in the desert and most times, using measures is perfect, but when it is rainy or snowy, I use a scale to be sure.

I definitely second the rec on the no knead bread recipe. It is super simple, no fuss and comes out great. Cooking it in a pan with a lid the first 1/2 essentially has the same results as the spray bottle method Manuel mentioned.

King Arthur flours is great with education. I have a couple of their cookbooks and they explain so much about the way ingredients work in baking, they are an awesome resource for the science.

Nick Maglieri's How To Bake has lots of great recipes too and if you are interested in starters, it's pretty detailed on how to get your own going, either through the natural yeast in your environment, etc. The only thing I wasn't crazy about was the lack of pictures. I love pictures. lol You might also be interested in The Bread Baker's Apprentice and Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day, if you haven't already checked them out.

A tip for refreshing your bread after it's be around a couple of days is to put in in a brown paper bag, spritz the bag with water and then pop it into a hot oven for 10 minutes or so.
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