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post #61 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:04pm
BTW, Mark is overseas and will be back in a few months. He stated that he could not do any reviews overseas. He will return soon. He discusses this in one of his videos.
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post #62 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post

I've been at school all day, otherwise I would have chimed in earlier. Take note, this isn't meant to be mean, just criticism. But, many of the reviewers either A) lack the necessary charisma or B) don't put the time in before making the video to make them watchable. Without naming names, there are a couple that are very good at coming off genuine and quite a bit entertaining. But most aren't and as you're taught when entering any sort of media field that involves speaking, the number one offense is "dead air", or similarly in some of the videos, the "umming" and retreading over the same info over and over again. While not everyone can be naturally charismatic, it would help the reviewers IMMENSELY if they practiced what they were going to say, or at least set up a structure BEFORE jumping into the videos. Sometimes it feels like they're just trying to churn them out as fast as possible.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying I could do what they do, for one, I don't have nearly enough patience required, nor am I a great public speaker. But if you're going to put yourself out there like they are, put a little bit more effort into making it an enjoyable and not just informative resource for your viewers.

haha weird, yall are saying they should do this and that and what not, while you are the ones who arent putting any video reviews up

talking about contradiction
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post #63 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by ApacheRosePeacock View Post

BTW, Mark is overseas and will be back in a few months. He stated that he could not do any reviews overseas. He will return soon. He discusses this in one of his videos.

The original topic was about Marc wanting to discontinue making any future videos due to threatening emails he received for essentially not giving a favorable review towards someone else's favorite fragrance or not reviewing what one person wanted. Criticism, sure. Bugging him to review particular things sure. However, some people just took things too far and made it personal with him. This was posted on his blog a couple days ago and eventually it made it's way onto his YouTube channel's bulletin board page. However, the many people who do enjoy and support his videos soon prevailed. Although, still, a good number of people don't realize or remember that he mentioned in his last video that he'll be gone until April because he's out of the country. I don't wanna speak for Marc, but I figured I'd bring that up.

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haha weird, yall are saying they should do this and that and what not, while you are the ones who arent putting any video reviews up

talking about contradiction

Relax, Dro. They're just giving criticism and how they would have personally improved the process. There weren't any personal attacks, so I don't see why anyone we take offense to it, really. At the end of the day, I'm just a guy who likes yammering to my iPhone camera because I think it's fun and I don't mind how little subscribers I get or care about any sort of professionalism. For me, it's a social thing and I just liked making new friends with people like Marc, Tim, Jonathan, Brandon and such. It's just YouTube and there's far worse out there. There's a pro like Katie Pucrick who does broadcasting for a living, then there's regular middle ground guys like Tim and Marc who have massive collections and experience with said scents to share, then there's the random subscribers who'll come out of his/her shell once in a while on YouTube (like myself) and put up a video for fun just to communicate with the other people who made videos about fragrances too.
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post #64 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by Vojskovođa View Post

Errr, how can you go on about charisma and all sorts when they are uploading videos of themselves so the whole world can see them rather then hiding behind a keyboard trying to be witty and charasmatic etc... Anyone can do that behind the keyboard with their idenity covered... it takes balls and is much much harder to do it on camera.

The reviewers on Youtube review mainstream fragrances because the majority of the people generally buy mainstream fragrances not really knowing about 'niche' - that's why Tim and Mark have been so successful on Youtube because they've delivered to the target market. Niche is only a minority remember that's why there's only very few reviews on them... but that doesn't mean to say I don't want Niche reviews on Youtube but generally the average Joe doesn't really want to know about Serge Lutens or whatever... they want to see their Armani's, Issey Miyake's and Lacoste's etc...

P.S. I can't stand Katie Pucrik or whatever her name is. She's a shit reviewer compared to Mark, Tim, Fabian, Julio and Jonathan... she couldn't give a fuck about the fragrances, she just relies on her weird little sayings, facial expressions, voice and fancy camera and editing trying to 'charm' people rather than get down taking time and actually reviewing the fragrance.

Respect my man, you nailed it

especially the ''she couldn't give a fuck about the fragrances, she just relies on her weird little sayings, facial expressions, voice and fancy camera and editing trying to 'charm' people rather than get down taking time and actually reviewing the fragrance'' part

couldnt say it better myself
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post #65 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Rawk Lee View Post

Relax, Dro. They're just giving criticism and how they would have personally improved the process. There weren't any personal attacks, so I don't see why anyone we take offense to it, really. At the end of the day, I'm just a guy who likes yammering to my iPhone camera because I think it's fun and I don't mind how little subscribers I get or care about any sort of professionalism. For me, it's a social thing and I just liked making new friends with people like Marc, Tim, Jonathan, Brandon and such. It's just YouTube and there's far worse out there.

I dont know about you, but I would be pissed if someone would of talked to my reviews about that, I mean look that the post above somewhere where a dude quoted you

Now Im not saying all do that, but saying its not charismatic, dull, unimportant, unnecessary etc, I mean its a video review, you wont win any awards if you are charismatic and what not
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post #66 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by Young Dro View Post

I dont know about you, but I would be pissed if someone would of talked to my reviews about that, I mean look that the post above somewhere where a dude quoted you

Now Im not saying all do that, but saying its not charismatic, dull, unimportant, unnecessary etc, I mean its a video review, you wont win any awards if you are charismatic and what not

Man, if I couldn't take hits like that, honestly, I wouldn't have been able to survive art school. LOL. I'm a graphic designer by trade, I get harsh criticism from art directors, teachers, and peers throughout my career. I figured YouTube is no different and it probably has it's fair share of slandering. I just feel differently about that sort of thing due to my professional background. It's just dirt off my shoulders man. I appreciate the criticism from that guy, but I'm also aware I did sort of come off as a "Well, I don't care what anyone thinks!" sort of person. I'm not a hardcore about it, but just like 98% of YouTube, I'm also a very casual YouTuber just like anyone else.
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post #67 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Rawk Lee View Post

Man, if I couldn't take hits like that, honestly, I wouldn't have been able to survive art school. LOL. I'm a graphic designer by trade, I get harsh criticism from art directors, teachers, and peers throughout my career. I figured YouTube is no different and it probably has it's fair share of slandering. I just feel differently about that sort of thing due to my professional background. It's just dirt off my shoulders man. I appreciate the criticism from that guy, but I'm also aware I did sort of come off as a "Well, I don't care what anyone thinks!" sort of person. I'm not a hardcore about it, but just like 98% of YouTube, I'm also a very casual YouTuber just like anyone else.

Read Vojskovođa's post in here, best post in the thread hands down

Getting criticism from a person who attends the same occupasion as you is one thing, but getting useless 'criticism' from people who don't even do the thing themselves is another in my book

Im cool my man, keep making the videos is all Im saying, youll probably get better as time passes by
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post #68 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:35pm
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haha weird, yall are saying they should do this and that and what not, while you are the ones who arent putting any video reviews up

talking about contradiction

YD, dude come on. Seriously? For the third time, I said it's not something I could or would want to do. Just because someone is doing something doesn't mean they get a free pass to do it however they want to. If you go and see a REALLY shitty movie, should you have the right to say, "that movie sucked!". Or should you keep your mouth shut, because it "takes balls" to act in a movie? If you're willing to open yourself up to the public, you need to be willing to accept fair criticism.

I can't believe I'm going to do this, but I'm going to name names, to show you what I mean by charismatic.

I just for the very first time yesterday heard of and say CutlassSupremeSL, never before had I seen one of his videos. Yet, he is natural, fluent, and charismatic, in a way that makes it easy and comfortable to watch the 6+ minutes of his videos. Another reviewer that has this ability was Cuddy, or Cformosa. I don't know if they are naturally like that, but it doesn't take much to prepare yourself before hand so that you can make a better video. Why are you guys standing up for someone who isn't be attacked anyways?
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post #69 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post

YD, dude come on. Seriously? For the third time, I said it's not something I could or would want to do. Just because someone is doing something doesn't mean they get a free pass to do it however they want to. If you go and see a REALLY shitty movie, should you have the right to say, "that movie sucked!". Or should you keep your mouth shut, because it "takes balls" to act in a movie? If you're willing to open yourself up to the public, you need to be willing to accept fair criticism.

Haha, like its written in the law that a person should be able to do it the way the majority of it wants

This is probably for the fact because alot of people on here are used to the written reviews on other sites, rather than watching a video. I dont want to get too deep into this since some might catch it the wrong way
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post #70 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:43pm
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Haha, like its written in the law that a person should be able to do it the way the majority of it wants

This is probably for the fact because alot of people on here are used to the written reviews on other sites, rather than watching a video. I dont want to get too deep into this since some might catch it the wrong way

What I meant is, that if you are putting out reviews via video, I'm hoping you expect other to watch it? Right? And if others are watching it, you'd hope they enjoy watching it. By offering up simple recommendations about how to make their videos more watchable, is only helping them.


Also, I'd like to add, that in no way am I slighting many of the other reviewers on Youtube, by only mentioning two in my above post. For one, I've only watched a handful, and two there are other reviewers that I find enjoyable as well, but the two I posted really exemplify a very good quality that I think others should strive for.

Edit: You didn't answer my question though. If someone makes a shitty movie, do you have the right to say it sucks? Because going by your logic, you don't, because it's hard to be a movie actor, therefore, unless you're yourself willing to do it, don't throw stones.
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post #71 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:44pm
Marc you are awesome. It is really exciting to hear that you are going into the bond fragrances. Can't wait to see what you have to say about them. I know le male is your personal favorite, and I don't have a problem with too many people wearing it because NOBODY wears fragrances wear I live but was still on the fence about weather or not it was too sweet for me when I tried it on. Anyways I watched your updated le male video a few times and it convinced me to get a bottle. I have come to really enjoy it, and I have gotten at least one compliment every time I wear it. Anyways thank you for all the work and money you put into these. they are very helpful and entertaining.
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post #72 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by Young Dro View Post

Read Vojskovođa's post in here, best post in the thread hands down

Getting criticism from a person who attends the same occupasion as you is one thing, but getting useless 'criticism' from people who don't even do the thing themselves is another in my book

Im cool my man, keep making the videos is all Im saying, youll probably get better as time passes by

Young Dro, I don't what it's like where your from, but A) this isn't there occupation, they like fragrance, and decided to post it on a video, so really, there's nothing there that indicates that they are any more knowledgeable than I or anyone else is about creating a good video. As far as I know, I've seen my fair share of internet videos, I think I can figure out what makes an enjoyable one and B) what's your beef with criticism? Criticism is the basis for all progression, without no one would get any better, take it as a blessing, and a way to improve.
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post #73 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:50pm
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What I meant is, that if you are putting out reviews via video, I'm hoping you expect other to watch it? Right? And if others are watching it, you'd hope they enjoy watching it. By offering up simple recommendations about how to make their videos more watchable, is only helping them.


Also, I'd like to add, that in no way am I slighting many of the other reviewers on Youtube, by only mentioning two in my above post. For one, I've only watched a handful, and two there are other reviewers that I find enjoyable as well, but the two I posted really exemplify a very good quality that I think others should strive for.

Edit: You didn't answer my question though. If someone makes a shitty movie, do you have the right to say it sucks? Because going by your logic, you don't, because it's hard to be a movie actor, therefore, unless you're yourself willing to do it, don't throw stones.

Hey, say it sucks 50 times for all I care, I dont see the resemblance though

I get why many people on here dont like the reviews but it closely (in my eyes) comes off as a little bit of arrogance not real criticism but then again what is criticism? its all different, I see the ones who just started the whole thing are giving it more credit than the ones who think they already know everything by reading a written review
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post #74 of 133
2/25/10 at 3:58pm
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Hey, say it sucks 50 times for all I care, I dont see the resemblance though

I get why many people on here dont like the reviews but it closely (in my eyes) comes off as a little bit of arrogance not real criticism but then again what is criticism? its all different, I see the ones who just started the whole thing are giving it more credit than the ones who think they already know everything by reading a written review

You're missing my point I think. I didn't say I dislike the video reviews, or I don't appreciate them. I'm saying, it's uncomfortable, and not in the least bit entertaining to watch 9 minutes, of someone searching for things to say about something. They come off nervous, and there is too much filler instead of the important meat that we all want. Be more structured, so that you don't have silent pauses or times when your saying "ummmmm" because you don't know what to say.
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post #75 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:05pm
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You're missing my point I think. I didn't say I dislike the video reviews, or I don't appreciate them. I'm saying, it's uncomfortable, and not in the least bit entertaining to watch 9 minutes, of someone searching for things to say about something. They come off nervous, and there is too much filler instead of the important meat that we all want. Be more structured, so that you don't have silent pauses or times when your saying "ummmmm" because you don't know what to say.

So what youre saying is, out of a 9 minute vid, one is actually spending 9 minutes to try and find things to say? haha I guess we havent seen the same vids then. Its comedy to me that things like ''ummm'' are such a big deal, I mean what can I say...I really get the feeling that some on here think that they are the great scentimaximus, when watching a dull video review
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post #76 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:14pm
One thing I feel I need to say as a video reviewer - If you're going to hate on the videos we all make, just don't watch them. We make it for people who are either interested in getting a second opinion about a fragrance they're interested in buying or want to hear about things they don't know about. You have an option not to watch, so don't force yourself through the excruciating pain that we're supposedly putting you through.
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post #77 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:18pm
marc i think you should start doing advertisements like tim for fragrancenet but instead of keeping the frags you should have giveaways for all of them.


i personally dont shop on fragrancenet but rather fragranceshop.com. sure the selection isnt as good but damn their prices are excellent.
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post #78 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:20pm
if Katie Pucrik is a 'pro' (please explain someone lol) then Tim and Mark must be super stars haha.

I don't mind constructive criticism and I'm not against anyone who's giving it... what I'm saying is saying something is a lot easier than doing it. These reviewers on Youtube can't afford the time to take 3 or 4 takes and edit too... I'd say most of the time it's just 1 take and they might spend 5 minutes tweaking the video in Movie Maker but it's still a lot of time and effort but they do it because it's something they feel passionate about and want to share it. At the end of the day each to their own I guess... all the reviewers on Youtube have their own style and personality, I personally get more excited and interested watching a review from Tim, Mark, Jonathan, Brandon and Fabian rather than just reading a review because I like to see their emotions and how they genuinely feel about the fragrance they're reviewing giving really detailed info unlike Katie Pucrik who is as fake as you can get. It's just like talking to a person... I prefer talking to someone face-to-face rather than on the phone; but as I said each to their own.
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post #79 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:25pm
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One thing I feel I need to say as a video reviewer - If you're going to hate on the videos we all make, just don't watch them. We make it for people who are either interested in getting a second opinion about a fragrance they're interested in buying or want to hear about things they don't know about. You have an option not to watch, so don't force yourself through the excruciating pain that we're supposedly putting you through.

Well said Julio

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if Katie Pucrik is a 'pro' (please explain someone lol) then Tim and Mark must be super stars haha.

I don't mind constructive criticism and I'm not against anyone who's giving it... what I'm saying is saying something is a lot easier than doing it. These reviewers on Youtube can't afford the time to take 3 or 4 takes and edit too... I'd say most of the time it's just 1 take and they might spend 5 minutes tweaking the video in Movie Maker. At the end of the day each to their own I guess... all the reviewers on Youtube have their own style and personality, I personally get more excited and interested watching a review from Tim, Mark, Jonathan, Brandon and Fabian rather than just reading a review because I like to see their emotions and how they genuinely feel about the fragrance they're reviewing giving really detailed info unlike Katie Pucrik who is as fake as you can get. It's just like talking to a person... I prefer talking to someone face-to-face rather than on the phone; but as I said each to their own.

Good post too, I almost want to say that so many people think the great Katie is such a good video reviewer (goes straight to business, riiiiiiiiight), because she mostly does niche stuff, but again Im probably wrong
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post #80 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:33pm
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One thing I feel I need to say as a video reviewer - If you're going to hate on the videos we all make, just don't watch them. We make it for people who are either interested in getting a second opinion about a fragrance they're interested in buying or want to hear about things they don't know about. You have an option not to watch, so don't force yourself through the excruciating pain that we're supposedly putting you through.

Hey man, I've only seen one of your videos, but I really enjoy your style, seriously. And the thing is, I think the reviews are a valuable resource, I realize I came off sounding like they were utter crap, and that they were "painful" but in reality I really was just trying to help you guys out.
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post #81 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:35pm
I must say I've only ever watched 1 video review from Katie because I was wondering why she had so many subscribers... ever since I have never watched a video from her again. She's fake, her reviews aren't even proper reviews (just time for her to work her charm) and her weird voice is just so cringe worthy. I'm 'gonna keep it real with Tim, Mark, Brandon, Jonathan, Fabian and Julio who keep it real and give out excellent and detailed reviews each and every time. If there's anyone on Youtube reviewing fragrances who should be criticized for 'time wasting' and doing or saying unnecessary things... I'm afraid Katie wins the award!
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post #82 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:36pm
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Hey man, I've only seen one of your videos, but I really enjoy your style, seriously. And the thing is, I think the reviews are a valuable resource, I realize I came off sounding like they were utter crap, and that they were "painful" but in reality I really was just trying to help you guys out.

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post #83 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:38pm
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I must say I've only ever watched 1 video review from Katie because I was wondering why she had so many subscribers... ever since I have never watched a video from her again. She's fake, her reviews aren't even proper reviews (just time for her to work her charm) and her weird voice is just so cringe worthy. I'm 'gonna keep it real with Tim, Mark, Brandon, Jonathan, Fabian and Julio who keep it real and give out excellent and detailed reviews each and every time. If there's anyone on Youtube reviewing fragrances who should be criticized for 'time wasting' and doing or saying unnecessary things... I'm afraid Katie wins the award!

Noooooo not the straight-to-business perfectionst where you actually learn something from lol
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post #84 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:48pm
Just for shits and giggles, I went to look at a video by Katie Pucrick, and made sure to pick a non-niche scent, to see what you guys are talking about. I don't get the complaints? I mean, she is sort of boring, but she certainly does a perfectly satisfactory job of reviewing the scent? What are you guys talking about? This is the video I watched for reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za_zXB8KflM
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post #85 of 133
2/25/10 at 4:54pm
Nice length...1:44, she definately doesnt have time to try and search what to say lol......

Not
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post #86 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:03pm
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Just for shits and giggles, I went to look at a video by Katie Pucrick, and made sure to pick a non-niche scent, to see what you guys are talking about. I don't get the complaints? I mean, she is sort of boring, but she certainly does a perfectly satisfactory job of reviewing the scent? What are you guys talking about? This is the video I watched for reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za_zXB8KflM



its not even 2 minutes long? not to mention she edited the video every 10 seconds and the camera kept zooming in and out.


try again!
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post #87 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:05pm
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its not even 2 minutes long? not to mention she edited the video every 10 seconds and the camera kept zooming in and out.


try again!

loool...hilarious
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post #88 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:06pm
My opinion of Katie. She gives a general overview of the fragrance. Her tongue-in-cheek humor is corny as hell, I'll admit. She's got a perky personality and other resources to give her videos more pop. Some people find her corny humor to be funny and some people don't. Sorry to say that I don't, but by any means, I don't think she's horrible at what she does. It's just really not my cup of tea. It's YouTube, guys. There's plenty of videos circling around each day and there's always something for everyone. If someone feels there's a need that needs to be filled on YouTube, go ahead and do a video. I'll add ya to my subscription list. Hobbies aren't supposed to make you miserable or not fun. We're all just gathering up to meet other people who share an interest in such a little known hobby that just happens to be a fairly common segment in fashion and grooming anyway.

BTW, jump cuts are fairly normal so the video doesn't seem too static. Which is fine as long as the jump cuts aren't awkwardly used so often.
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post #89 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:06pm
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its not even 2 minutes long? not to mention she edited the video every 10 seconds and the camera kept zooming in and out.


try again!

Ok, let me go back and check for that again, regarding the technical stuff. But, you guys are missing the most important part. We're watching the videos to find out the REVIEW of a scent. You make a video as long as you need to get all information into it. Don't make it long for the sake of it. If I wanted to know about Black Orchid, guess what? I do now. All the other stuff about the bottle, and stuff is nice too, just do it in a neat and compact video, don't make it sloppy.
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post #90 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:07pm
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My opinion of Katie. She gives a general overview of the fragrance. Her tongue-in-cheek humor is corny as hell, I'll admit. She's got a perky personality and other resources to give her videos more pop. Some people find her corny humor to be funny and some people don't. Sorry to say that I don't, but by any means, I don't think she's horrible at what she does. It's just really not my cup of tea. It's YouTube, guys. There's plenty of videos circling around each day and there's always something for everyone. If someone feels there's a need that needs to be filled on YouTube, go ahead and do a video. I'll add ya to my subscription list. Hobbies aren't supposed to make you miserable or not fun. We're all just gathering up to meet other people who share an interest in such a little known hobby that just happens to be a fairly common segment in fashion and grooming anyway.

Well said man. I'm done arguing, I have a splitting headache now lol! By the way, what's your youtube name?
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post #91 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:19pm
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Well said man. I'm done arguing, I have a splitting headache now lol! By the way, what's your youtube name?

Imprezzy, but it's more of a amateur vlog format than anything. I'm talking to the camera as I would be if I was just standing out in the street talking to someone if that particular topic was randomly brought up. I haven't done any reviews, just random responses to other peoples' videos, me opening packages of stuff, and random observations. I haven't thought of a proper format for reviewing either and most of the things I am currently smelling are just decants or samples, so I won't have the actual bottle on hand. I just recorded myself opening a random package today where I had no idea what's in it. It's not uploaded, BTW. I ended up opening it up and finding 2 carded samples of Solo Loewe. I got so excited that I started singing Flo Rida ("Low", I'm such a dork) part way through the video. Then I spent part of the time just sniffing my arm and going, "Wow that's nice. Hrm...what is that?" I didn't have time to look up the notes and I'm not too well versed on what each component smells like yet. Anyway, sorry about post whoring this whole thread. I'm just trying to be the baking soda to the frying pan that caught on fire.

Hey guys, another reviewer you guys are missing out on is Matthew (mkousui). He's a great source for lesser known designer fragrances and retro stuff. So yea, there is a video for everyone.
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2/25/10 at 5:51pm
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Getting criticism from a person who attends the same occupasion as you is one thing, but getting useless 'criticism' from people who don't even do the thing themselves is another in my book

This makes no sense...

So Kobe Bryant is the only one who can criticize Lebron James? Robert DeNiro is the only one who can criticize Brad Pitt? Giorgio Armani is the only one who can criticize Calvin Klein??

Once you put yourself out there in public for all to see, anyone can (and will) be a critic. Whether others do their own video reviews or not is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the person criticizing is Luca Turin or some 13 year old kid buying his first scent. Unfortunately, part of the deal is that someone will cross the line and take it too far. It comes with the territory...
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post #93 of 133
2/25/10 at 5:59pm
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This makes no sense...

So Kobe Bryant is the only one who can criticize Lebron James? Robert DeNiro is the only one who can criticize Brad Pitt? Giorgio Armani is the only one who can criticize Calvin Klein??

Once you put yourself out there in public for all to see, anyone can (and will) be a critic. Whether others do their own video reviews or not is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the person criticizing is Luca Turin or some 13 year old kid buying his first scent. Unfortunately, part of the deal is that someone will cross the line and take it too far. It comes with the territory...

I was refering to the graphic designer Rawk was talking about and the ''criticism'' i heard on here not being real ''criticism''

Or else its sounds stupid because there are a million other examples like the ones you just gave
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post #94 of 133
2/25/10 at 6:30pm
Just wanted to let you guys know, i am not a professional reviewer, i am not a professional camera man, my first fragrance was The original Curve, i come from a town in New Jersey where people normally wear 1 fragrance and stick to that 1 fragrance for the rest of their lives. I was inspired by marc & tim to start reviewing. I aim my videos to a more urban audience as well as clueless people who just don't know what to choose. In the end of the day i just want to help people. I do not promote anything or try to sell anything. I am on YouTube to HELP PEOPLE like me, find what they are looking for, while entertaining them with the video for the fragrance + adding some tunes in the mix to make it more like a TV show. I am only 20 years old and while i know very little about fragrances and history of fragrances, i try very hard to be organized in my videos and only have the time to shoot the video One time. Over time i feel that i will drastically improve my reviews and i will turn all these "YouTube Reviewer Haters" here on basenotes into "YouTube Reviewer Subscribers".

I know my reviews are amateur and sometimes i get stuck and have my "ummm" moments, i get repetative and i ramble about the same thing over and over, so dont even begin to criticize me on things i already am aware of.

Just wanted to give my 2 cents on this little discussion.
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post #95 of 133
2/25/10 at 8:15pm
mtgprox05 is most likely referring to me with my umm's . Which in my first video's I was doing quite alot since I was trying to follow a certain format and was just going round and round repeating myself and umming away lol... recently I have found my format and I am more aware of what I am going to say next but you'll still catch me saying um a few times lol . Trust me it's not a lack of being prepared. Honestly it takes me 4-5 hours to post a review on youtube(that does not include any of research before hand). I do take numerous takes and I try my best to make it entertaining. I can see it can bother people, but hey I am trying my best to try to describe the juice and maybe I'm not as charismatic as say a cubby since I am fairly shy, but with time hopefully I am opening up. I try to make as enjoyable as I can and to reach as many people as I can, but hey I am still new to on camera presence and I am learning new things every video I make. Obviously to some people I am dull or have no flavour haha , I do what I can and I try my hardest to review the fragrance and make sure all points are covered, and I am working on my on screen presence . As far as mtgprox05 says I am sure he is aiming it at me, which is fine with me and I appreciate him not naming names . I appreciate his honesty and my videos aren't his cup of tea, and that is fine with me. Comparing my videos to a shitty movie tho , it can't be that bad ... haha .. I do watch my videos from time to time and see what I can improve on especially when I'm overseas and I usually find more content to add my vids every single time but I'm also looking at myself as a critic and I know my on screen presence needs a little fine tuning but thanks for chiming in and I hope I can improve so I can reach out to more people . Thanks everyone for writing in this thread , i love hearing about our videos, the good the bad the ugly dosen't matter it's all good : ) Marc
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post #96 of 133
2/25/10 at 8:42pm
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Obviously to some people I am dull or have no flavour haha , I do what I can and I try my hardest to review the fragrance and make sure all points are covered, and I am working on my on screen presence.

Your on-screen personality is great, Marc. I would private message you if I thought you needed work on anything. You're funny, intelligent, and interesting. The trolls can eat shit. FCUK 'em.

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post #97 of 133
2/25/10 at 8:47pm
For what it's worth, so far no one's compared your videos to the Kevin Smith movie, Jersey Girl. Starring Ben Affleck, Jennifer Lopez, and Liv Tyler.
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post #98 of 133
2/25/10 at 10:59pm
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mtgprox05 is most likely referring to me with my umm's . Which in my first video's I was doing quite alot since I was trying to follow a certain format and was just going round and round repeating myself and umming away lol... recently I have found my format and I am more aware of what I am going to say next but you'll still catch me saying um a few times lol . Trust me it's not a lack of being prepared. Honestly it takes me 4-5 hours to post a review on youtube(that does not include any of research before hand). I do take numerous takes and I try my best to make it entertaining. I can see it can bother people, but hey I am trying my best to try to describe the juice and maybe I'm not as charismatic as say a cubby since I am fairly shy, but with time hopefully I am opening up. I try to make as enjoyable as I can and to reach as many people as I can, but hey I am still new to on camera presence and I am learning new things every video I make. Obviously to some people I am dull or have no flavour haha , I do what I can and I try my hardest to review the fragrance and make sure all points are covered, and I am working on my on screen presence . As far as mtgprox05 says I am sure he is aiming it at me, which is fine with me and I appreciate him not naming names . I appreciate his honesty and my videos aren't his cup of tea, and that is fine with me. Comparing my videos to a shitty movie tho , it can't be that bad ... haha .. I do watch my videos from time to time and see what I can improve on especially when I'm overseas and I usually find more content to add my vids every single time but I'm also looking at myself as a critic and I know my on screen presence needs a little fine tuning but thanks for chiming in and I hope I can improve so I can reach out to more people . Thanks everyone for writing in this thread , i love hearing about our videos, the good the bad the ugly dosen't matter it's all good : ) Marc

Hey man, like i said your reviews along with Tims are the best, you dont need to proof shit for the ones over here, the majority of the subscribers doesnt know what basenotes is anyway
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post #99 of 133
2/25/10 at 11:21pm
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post #100 of 133
2/26/10 at 12:19am
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I prefer watching a well-done television commercial.

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post #101 of 133
2/26/10 at 12:37am
I also like your reviews Marc. They are great and give much more information than you can get from written reviews and I think that you have similiar taste as me. It would be pity if you end doing it. Keep doing great job. /cheer
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post #102 of 133
2/26/10 at 12:52am
Personally I love all the reviewers. It takes courage to show your face on the internet, and I know how much time and effort it takes for them to not only have done reviews, but to have done reviews over several months without getting bored and just saying "that's enough now". Especially Marc who actually edits his videos and adds a little title and the end rating thing.
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post #103 of 133
2/26/10 at 12:56am
I started off following Tim's reviews, from there I found Mark. These two guys are the ones who brought this website to my attention, and I have just recently started watching Brandon's stuff. I really don't get the bickering, everyone is on the same team in loving fragrances. I do make it a habit to watch all these guys reviews as well, I find them entertaining and they have shown me some stuff I may have passed up otherwise. Plus these guys love fragrances enough to take the time to collect and try out new things so they can get on cam and help people out and put information out there, ya gotta respect that even if ya don't like their reviews. Anyway, at the end of the day it all comes down helping each other out and enjoying the scents. Everyone is gonna have their own opinions and no one is right or wrong. Its great to get different opinions on a scent because the more diverse info the better! I am not a collector, I am just after the best scent I can find for myself. So with that thanks to all the youtuber's and bassnote members, you guys have been great to turn to for whatever fragrance questions I have!
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post #104 of 133
2/26/10 at 1:02am
Videos on youtube are free. If you aren't paying for them, or being forced to watch, then keep your criticism at a reasonable level. Don't resort to bitching and moaning over something you don't have to watch or need to watch.

I for one, love marc's videos. Just fun to watch. Yea, he could go into more detail about the fragrances sometimes, but I'm not complaining. He's not working for me, so why should any user just demand something without offering anything but a measly subscribe in return?
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post #105 of 133
2/26/10 at 6:01am
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Straying off a little: The "Tim advertising Fragrancenet" mention, is exactly why I personally have Z E R O interest in hearing what he has to say. This has nothing at all to do with Video vs Written. I prefer watching a well-done television commercial. Sorry.

Integrity = Compromised

I personally could give two craps if Tim plugs fragrancenet. He doesn't make people buy from them. If I did reviews and could get free fragrances to review just by simply giving a company a shoutout I would do it too. I don't see where he integrity is compromised at all. You saying he has no integrity because he plugs a site that this very site plugs with banners at the top to me = zero integrity for you.
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post #106 of 133
2/26/10 at 6:21am
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Just for shits and giggles, I went to look at a video by Katie Pucrick, and made sure to pick a non-niche scent, to see what you guys are talking about. I don't get the complaints? I mean, she is sort of boring, but she certainly does a perfectly satisfactory job of reviewing the scent? What are you guys talking about? This is the video I watched for reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za_zXB8KflM

I watched this one and three others. I found them to be useful. They were succinct, organized and provided reasonable assessments of the development of the given fragrance all between 90 seconds and 2 minutes.

One other comment: while I previously posted that I wasn't a fan of Marc's videos, I am happy to read that a lot of people enjoy them and get benefit from them. We all appreciate different styles, methods of communication and ways of learning. So I am glad these videos benefit others.
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post #107 of 133
2/26/10 at 8:10am
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*Humbly corrected*
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post #108 of 133
2/26/10 at 9:57am
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The cynical side of me, is not something I am highly proud of.

I am highly proud of my cynicism! I would rather be called an asshole than "gullible".
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post #109 of 133
2/26/10 at 10:03am
I think my biggest problem with all Youtube reviews is that I can read a lot quicker than someone can talk. Listening to a review seems to take eternity, and just makes me want to escape back to my more typical obsession with Basenotes and perfume blogs.
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2/26/10 at 10:07am
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post #111 of 133
2/26/10 at 10:42am
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I think my biggest problem with all Youtube reviews is that I can read a lot quicker than someone can talk. Listening to a review seems to take eternity, and just makes me want to escape back to my more typical obsession with Basenotes and perfume blogs.

Now I wish girls would give me a transcript to read on dates, instead of having to listen
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post #112 of 133
2/26/10 at 10:59am
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Now I wish girls would give me a transcript to read on dates, instead of having to listen

For real. Just be like, "Honey, can you just write a REVIEW about how I f*cked up instead? I don't got 10 minutes to listen to this."
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post #113 of 133
2/26/10 at 12:03pm
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Now I wish girls would give me a transcript to read on dates, instead of having to listen

Online dating is for you! And the best part is, if she's a slow typer, you can go off and get a drink, chat to other friends, and make asides about your date while it's happening ( "Oh, crickey, she's reading me her poetry..." *logs on to Basenotes* ). If it goes bad, whoops, you can say you had a computer problem and leave suddenly without hurting her feelings.

Uh, not that I'd know anything about that, of course...
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post #114 of 133
2/26/10 at 1:36pm
Hey man, props to you then. I admit, I haven't seen enough of the videos, to accurately critique them all, I was just going by what I've seen, which I had figured were a good enough indication of a theme. And trust me, it's not just you at all, a lot of youtube reviewers do it. I'm gonna have to check out some of your most recent videos, and thanks for taking the criticism so admirably, it's really a good quality to have.

Edit: And L'Homme, please don't take the comparison to shitty movies thing the wrong way. It was a poor choice on my part, I was just trying to think of ANYTHING that people are likely to criticize, and that's the first thing that popped into my head! Sorry man, because I was having to defend my opinion, it came off overly harsh, when it really was intended as a simple critique and not as bashing your or anyone else's reviews.

Edit #2: This was supposed to be quoting Marc's response up the thread.
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post #115 of 133
2/26/10 at 1:41pm
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This was my favorite commercial from the Super Bowl. Pretty poor year overall, but I got a good laugh out of this one.
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post #116 of 133
2/26/10 at 2:05pm
To Subhuman and others: me personally, I enjoy fragrances, so naturally I enjoy fragrance talk. Period. I don't mind at all if someone wants to show me thier new haul. It lets me know what others found worthy enough to purchase. I enjoy Mark and Tim's reviews. I may disagree with thier impressions of a fragrance sometimes, but I don't grow to dislike them because of that. I bought a webcam a few weeks ago with the intent on doing videos. Hopefully, they're well recieved. If not, no big deal.
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post #117 of 133
2/26/10 at 7:55pm
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To Subhuman and others: me personally, I enjoy fragrances, so naturally I enjoy fragrance talk. Period. I don't mind at all if someone wants to show me thier new haul. It lets me know what others found worthy enough to purchase. I enjoy Mark and Tim's reviews. I may disagree with thier impressions of a fragrance sometimes, but I don't grow to dislike them because of that. I bought a webcam a few weeks ago with the intent on doing videos. Hopefully, they're well recieved. If not, no big deal.

Let me know once you start, send me a pm or something
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post #118 of 133
2/26/10 at 11:00pm
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To Subhuman and others: me personally, I enjoy fragrances, so naturally I enjoy fragrance talk. Period. I don't mind at all if someone wants to show me thier new haul. It lets me know what others found worthy enough to purchase. I enjoy Mark and Tim's reviews. I may disagree with thier impressions of a fragrance sometimes, but I don't grow to dislike them because of that. I bought a webcam a few weeks ago with the intent on doing videos. Hopefully, they're well recieved. If not, no big deal.

Tell us your name there so we can tune in.
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2/27/10 at 1:44am
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To whoever it may concern. I re-read my comments and I figure that some may find that I had sounded a little unfriendly, but I assure you that was not my intention. I believe in a thread some months ago, mtgprox05 and myself had openly expressed our enthusiasm to see more people doing video reviews, hopefully some folks from BN in fact. Any critique we may have issued here, is purely that, and nothing all that personal, I believe so. I mean if we didn't actually want to see a reviewer improve, we wouldn't even care to voice our comments.
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post #120 of 133
2/27/10 at 2:19am
Katie Puckrick is a "pro" because she has a list of broadcasting credits to her name, including a number of talk shows in both the US and the UK. She has a natural on-camera demeanor because she's been on camera since the early 1990s. Her reviews are succinct, well-edited, and spoken from a clear point of view. That's part and parcel of her training as a broadcaster.

I don't expect the same level of professionalism from Marc or Tim...aside from the "well-edited" and "clear point of view" part. Anyone can do that. If you have the resources to record videos, edit them, and post them to YouTube, you have the ability to selectively edit those videos for maximum impact and minimum time-wasting. I'm not out of line by suggesting that both Marc and Tim have a ways to go in this respect before I, for one, can take their video reviews seriously. I don't go around the internet trashing their names - the subject of their reviews came up in this thread and I offered my two cents. If you don't agree, fine, but I'm not just a mindless "hater" or "troll" because I don't find their reviews helpful.

I fully encourage and support those who want to offer their opinions in YouTube form, but I'm also allowed to criticize said offerings, as we all are. Accept the criticism and use it to improve, to the benefit of everyone who might come across your videos, rather than getting defensive (this goes for the fans of said videos as well as the creators themselves).
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