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Poll Results: Which of these two fragrances would you most like to see advance? Select one from each group only.

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 20% (74)
    (Group A) YSL Rive Gauche PH
  • 4% (17)
    (Group A) Burberry Brit For Men
  • 6% (23)
    (Group B) Ralph Lauren Polo
  • 18% (65)
    (Group B) Czech & Speake No. 88
  • 15% (56)
    (Group C) L'Eau d'Issey Pour Homme
  • 8% (31)
    (Group C) JPG Fleur du Male
  • 4% (17)
    (Group D) Acqua Di Gio
  • 20% (74)
    (Group D) Guerlain Heritage
357 Total Votes  
post #1 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:00pm
Thread Starter 
Basenotes March Madness 2010

Games 1-4
(Round 1)
Poll ends March 3.

(3) YSL Rive Gauche Pour Homme vs. (14) Burberry Brit
(1) Ralph Lauren Polo vs. (16) Czech & Speake No. 88
(5) L'Eau d'Issey Pour Homme vs. (12) JPG Fleur du Male
(6) Acqua di Gio vs. (11) Guerlain Heritage

Most recent bracket:

(Click bracket for full size.)


Poll will close in 24 hours, vote which fragrance you'd like to see advance to Round 2. Vote for one fragrance from each group only, voting for both is statistically the same as not voting at all.
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post #2 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:03pm
Go go go Fleur du male. You can't lose to.. that!
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post #3 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:03pm
The Zeitgeist Sez...

Predictions:

(3) YSL Rive Gauche Pour Homme def. (14) Burberry Brit
(16) Czech & Speake No. 88 def. (1) Ralph Lauren Polo
(5) L'Eau d'Issey Pour Homme def. (12) JPG Fleur du Male
(11) Guerlain Heritage def. (6) Acqua di Gio

Standings:
Maximum Score Possible\t1
The Zeitgeist\t1

Bluesoul\t1
mudassir\t1
Asha\t1
DocmanCC\t1
Exquisitely Me\t1
TwoRoads\t1
mrcologneguy\t1
flannelman\t1
telecaster\t1
timaru\t1
Royal\t1
Buddy97\t1
an_oud_girl\t1
Roryj\t1
zliang\t1
gupts\t1
the_good_life\t1
wicozani\t1
surreality\t0
JaimeB\t0
veuve amiot\t0
rogalal\t0
kbe\t0
jacona\t0
robpgmc\t0
Furriner\t0


(The Zeitgeist is the "spirit of the time", and his picks are the picks of the majority in all rounds, as an experiment to see if the majority pick in every round is more likely to be correct than any individual's picks. In other words, "Is all of us smarter than one of us?")
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post #4 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:07pm
I wonder if the zeitgeist, posting the predictions prior to the poll closing is actually influencing the poll one way or the other. It may influence those who aren't familiar with either frag. I'm just not sure if you'd get more people voting for the presumed winner or more voting for the underdog.
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post #5 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:10pm
Zeitgeist is right!
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post #6 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:11pm
reminds me of the afraafra games !
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post #7 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post

I wonder if the zeitgeist, posting the predictions prior to the poll closing is actually influencing the poll one way or the other. It may influence those who aren't familiar with either frag. I'm just not sure if you'd get more people voting for the presumed winner or more voting for the underdog.

I share your concern, SOS. I see little advantage having the Z's prediction published before the poll closes. I think I will enjoy the idea but I think having it's prediction at the end of each round would be a nice post-game re-cap.
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post #8 of 31
3/1/10 at 10:46pm
Can I also vote considering I've submitted a prediction? Sorry if it has been explained before.
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post #9 of 31
3/1/10 at 11:18pm
Oh boy it's here! Someone put the nachos in the oven already--I want 'em hot and drippy.
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post #10 of 31
3/1/10 at 11:32pm
Zliang~ Yes, you can vote in the polls. Help make sure your picks win!

I agree with SOS and others who think making the Zeitgeist known might influence the outcome of the results. Will the opinions of those submitting brackets reflect those who vote only? We will probably see a lot of parallel results, assuming everyone who turned in brackets also votes (I remember that I missed a day last year due to busy-ness). There were 61 voters in the play-in game, and there are 26 players, so those remaining 35 who didn't also turn in brackets would have to do a lot of contrary voting to skew the anticipated results. If I were of a wicked or contrary nature (but then, who says I'm not? ), or just liked rooting for the underdog, I might be inclined to vote that way. I agree with keeping the Zeitgeist prediction unknown until after voting ends.
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post #11 of 31
3/2/10 at 3:42am
How on earth can Fleur du Male lose against that (IMO) generic, boring juice?
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post #12 of 31
3/2/10 at 4:06am
Hmm, I voted Group C...considering that Fluer Du Male is selling hot hot hot! in melbourne...well atleast it has been!


:P

- Balava
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post #13 of 31
3/2/10 at 4:18am
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Originally Posted by Balavassassin View Post

Hmm, I voted Group C...considering that Fluer Du Male is selling hot hot hot! in melbourne...well atleast it has been!


:P

- Balava

One out of each group will move forward not one group out of the four.
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post #14 of 31
3/2/10 at 5:05am
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Major Le Labo has been shot! Round up the usual suspects..
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post #15 of 31
3/2/10 at 5:54am
I suppose I agree with posting the Zeitgeist prediciton after...however, the only way to show the readers that "he" made a valid prediction is to post it before the game starts. Perhaps another way would be to have somebody who is not playing keep the results in a "sealed envelope", so to speak, and post later. But that is not as transparent, imo.

Heritage is the underdog today...go Heritage!
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post #16 of 31
3/2/10 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by DocmanCC View Post

I share your concern, SOS. I see little advantage having the Z's prediction published before the poll closes. I think I will enjoy the idea but I think having it's prediction at the end of each round would be a nice post-game re-cap.

+1.
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post #17 of 31
3/2/10 at 6:41am
Thread Starter 
Interesting points made, I've got no problem with posting it the next day. I think the effect is minimal, but I suppose we'll see.

EDIT: I think you all trust me to be honest anyway, if anything I'd lie about my predictions, not the Zeitgeists. But I've published everyone's predictions to a google spreadsheet, viewable here. I had to remove the sheet with the awards, I'm keeping them a secret for a while longer. But this may give you an idea of how the tournament is actually put together.
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post #18 of 31
3/2/10 at 7:25am
I move that you should only vote in the head-to-heads that your are truly familiar with both frags. I only felt comfortably voting in 2 of the above match-ups because even if I was familiar with both, I didn't feel I knew them enough to critique fairly.
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post #19 of 31
3/2/10 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post

I move that you should only vote in the head-to-heads that your are truly familiar with both frags. I only felt comfortably voting in 2 of the above match-ups because even if I was familiar with both, I didn't feel I knew them enough to critique fairly.

If I recall correctly this came up last year as well. Ultimately there is no way to know if every vote is fair in this manner. I personally stick to this unwritten rule and have also voted on only two match-ups here.
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post #20 of 31
3/2/10 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post

I move that you should only vote in the head-to-heads that your are truly familiar with both frags. I only felt comfortably voting in 2 of the above match-ups because even if I was familiar with both, I didn't feel I knew them enough to critique fairly.

It's a game people; who cares if you haven't smelt both fragrances in each match up. Your lack of a vote today could mess up your chances of points later on in the tourney.
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post #21 of 31
3/2/10 at 3:25pm
The small # of votes for Polo is surprising me.
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post #22 of 31
3/2/10 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post

The small # of votes for Polo is surprising me.


Polo obviously did not deserve it's number one seed. The committee screwed up on that seeding. Polo is getting routed by a much better player.
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post #23 of 31
3/2/10 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post

I move that you should only vote in the head-to-heads that your are truly familiar with both frags.

In any other poll, where someone is seeking a consensus from the community regarding two or more scents, I'd absolutely agree. In this case, if someone wants to vote against Dior Homme simply because that's what their dirtbag ex-bf used to wear, I say, "Go for it!" It's just a game, have fun!

I didn't realize our picks would be available for viewing by everyone. I suppose I don't have any privacy issues with that, but knowing how everyone voted, and which scents received exactly what percentage of the majority vote from players before round is over (easily calculated), spoils much of the anticipation and excitement over the outcome for me.

And, Asha, I understand what you're saying about transparency, but I trust Daniel on this (as I do with regard to his own voting). Daniel~ Am I right in thinking that The Zeitgeist prediction is NOT included in the poll voting? I think Z's predictions are a point of statistical curiosity and, in the interest both of avoiding spoilers and thwarting spoilsports, best revealed after the poll closes.

edit: P.S. TWO of my dirtbag ex-bf's used to wear Polo.
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post #24 of 31
3/2/10 at 6:34pm
Gosh, I'm really sorry--I did not mean for my comments to raise questions of trust! I believe in bluesoul's integrity 100%! However, no matter, I was thinking in terms of the documentation of the event. Having the Zeitgeist prediction published somewhere (even on the off-site spread sheet, great idea) is a sort of "proof" of that prediction. Having it posted here at the start of the thread makes the process very transparent--that is really all I meant!

Are the individual scores posted above for this round or the last one?
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post #25 of 31
3/2/10 at 6:52pm
Asha~ I entirely understood that was your thinking! I never for a moment considered you were doubting Daniel's integrity. I'm so sorry if my post insinuated otherwise! ((hugs!))
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post #26 of 31
3/2/10 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by an_oud_girl View Post

Asha~ I entirely understood that was your thinking! I never for a moment considered you were doubting Daniel's integrity. I'm so sorry if my post insinuated otherwise! ((hugs!))

Well, I get a little engineer-y sometimes, so I often make statements in a very matter-of-fact way without thinking of the personal/social implications. I completely understand if my original post could have been taken the wrong way!
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post #27 of 31
3/2/10 at 9:45pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by an_oud_girl View Post

I didn't realize our picks would be available for viewing by everyone. I suppose I don't have any privacy issues with that, but knowing how everyone voted, and which scents received exactly what percentage of the majority vote from players before round is over (easily calculated), spoils much of the anticipation and excitement over the outcome for me.

And, Asha, I understand what you're saying about transparency, but I trust Daniel on this (as I do with regard to his own voting). Daniel~ Am I right in thinking that The Zeitgeist prediction is NOT included in the poll voting? I think Z's predictions are a point of statistical curiosity and, in the interest both of avoiding spoilers and thwarting spoilsports, best revealed after the poll closes.

As I said, I've got no problem with revealing The Zeitgeist's predictions after the fact, I've published the spreadsheet simply to erase, as best I can, any questions regarding tampering. I obviously realize there are no accusations being made, this is simply for the sake of professionalism.

The logical answer to the reading of the spreadsheet killing the suspense would be...don't read it. I'm doing as best I can to strike a balance, and this has always had element of "learn as we go" to it. I think having the spreadsheet available but not forced viewing is the simplest solution. I'll be showing The Zeitgeist's same predictions that are above on the next game thread, and from then on he'll be on a one day delay. You're correct in saying he's merely a statistical curiosity, having much more data this year led to a consistency I couldn't get last year with the 7 or 8 people we had participating. Next year if there's sufficient demand I'll create a web-based bracket with PHP or AJAX or some such, but I didn't want to put that level work into it this year being unsure of the participation level. I'm game to hear any other suggestions as always.
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post #28 of 31
3/2/10 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by bluesoul View Post

The logical answer to the reading of the spreadsheet killing the suspense would be...don't read it.

Lol! Indeed!

I'm now even more intrigued by the Zeitgeist's predictions as we see more voters participating. With now 90 voters, only a third of whom are players, we may see more variance.
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post #29 of 31
3/2/10 at 10:44pm
Is it possible to make the future polls public? I always enjoy seeing who voted for what.
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post #30 of 31
3/2/10 at 11:02pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post

Is it possible to make the future polls public? I always enjoy seeing who voted for what.

I was contacted last year discreetly by several members who preferred it remain private, so I'd rather have more participation at the expense of some unsatisfied curiosities.
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post #31 of 31
3/2/10 at 11:22pm
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Originally Posted by bluesoul View Post

I was contacted last year discreetly by several members who preferred it remain private, so I'd rather have more participation at the expense of some unsatisfied curiosities.

No problem. I definitely agree that if anyone was opposed to it being public, it should be private. I'm just a bit surprised anyone actually minded others seeing their vote. Oh well!
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