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post #1 of 24
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So I've just been cruising around BN again after a fairly lengthy hiatus. A few months ago, I foolishly hooked my software team into a contract with a financial software firm which is what is commonly known here in the United States as an "H-1B sweatshop." This is a firm which imports foreign labor in certain critical industries and flogs its employees as if they were indentured servants for over 12 hours a day. The workload caused my blood pressure to go up 8 pts, gave me terrible insomnia, and eventually created digestion problems. My whole team became very nervous and irritable. My girlfriend walked out on me a month ago because I became an ogre to live with, and the contract almost ended the marriage of my lead architect. In order to keep my key employees, I eventually ended up sacrificing myself by staying in the contract alone and allowing my guys to leave it early in order to get their lives back in order again. My girlfriend eventually returned to me last Thursday night (after much begging and cajoling on my part), and yesterday was my last day working on the contract.

The project lead actually had the brazen audacity to ask me to finish out the workday after my 2pm exit interview Monday afternoon. Needless to say, I ... declined. I'm ecstatic to be out of that hell hole. However, I feel bad for the Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Russians, and Eastern Europeans we left behind, since they are "locked in" until they can gain permanent residency ... or get another firm to sponsor their H-1B.

Oh, and it's good to be reading BN again.
post #2 of 24
Ah, Astaroth - nice to meet you! I joined whilst you were in hell - or rather purgatory, 'cause you got out.

Welcome back to sanity. I admire you. You exhibit true leadership. And I'm awfully glad your girlfriend realized the ogre's appearance was temporary, like the insanity. Sadly not for those you left behind... wish it wouldn't hurt them even more to report the company to Immigration. Might be nice to take that Unverschämter pl down a peg or two.

So what are you wearing to celebrate your liberation?
post #3 of 24
What a diabolical state of affairs - I respect and admire you for sticking with it despite all the accompanying crap. You've been conspicuous by your abscence. Good to have you back !.
post #4 of 24
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Welcome back to sanity. I admire you. You exhibit true leadership.

I had to do what I did to keep the team together, especially since it was me that pulled them all into the contract. This is the ugly side of running your own business. When the sh*t hits the fan ... you're standing right in front of it catching it in the face so that it doesn't hit anyone else.

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And I'm awfully glad your girlfriend realized the ogre's appearance was temporary, like the insanity.

She's a champ. We've been together 5 and 1/2 years now. I told the technical lead on the project that if she walked out on me it would guarantee a non-renewal on the contract, no matter what else happened. Since he wasn't truly human, he just looked at me as if I were from Mars.

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Sadly not for those you left behind... wish it wouldn't hurt them even more to report the company to Immigration. Might be nice to take that Unverschämter pl down a peg or two.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but the H-1B and L-1 visa are the dirty little secrets of the hi-tech world these days. The program exists with the full force and authority of the United States Congress, and everyone knows how the program is being used to thwart labor laws. I'm sorry to say that I have no excuse for having been snookered like this. Back in graduate school, I dated a Turkish woman who lost her F-1 student visa status when she left our PhD program. She got sucked in by an H-1B software sweatshop which used to work people about 15 hours a day. She would come home crying every night because of the extreme stress. I really should have seen this coming before I signed the contract.

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So what are you wearing to celebrate your liberation?

Ah, I decided to totally "slum it" by wearing 6 sprays of a fine elixir known as Jovan Musk for Men while playing KC and the Sunshine Band on my car stereo while driving through Hollywood. Pretty pitiful ... but it worked.

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What a diabolical state of affairs

I suspect the Devil is on the company's Board of Directors, actually.
post #5 of 24
Glad to see you back, Astaroth, and congrats because you overcame all this. I wish more people would overcome such work-related situations the way you did. At any rate, may you enjoy your return here on Basenotes to the full extent and beyond!
post #6 of 24
Congratulations on making it through relatively unscathed...you must be some kind of zen warrior monk or something. I trust this contract was, ahem, worth your time and frustration?
post #7 of 24
Glad to have you back. How is the health situation at this point?
post #8 of 24
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...Ah, I decided to totally "slum it" by wearing 6 sprays of a fine elixir known as Jovan Musk for Men while playing KC and the Sunshine Band on my car stereo while driving through Hollywood. Pretty pitiful ... but it worked...

Sounds like fun! :-) I'm glad you're back, Astaroth, and that you're OK!
post #9 of 24
Well, welcome back! I second what Synergy said, you are a true leader. Sounds like one hard lesson learned and I'm really happy for you that you're finally out.
I just looked up H1-B and L1, and not that I have any faith in our legislature, but how do they justify the actions of this company? Oh wait, it's not about people, is it. Maybe you can get your blood pressure/sleeping/anxiety meds (if you had to resort to that) retroactively covered under workers' comp.

And way to slum it.
post #10 of 24
Welcome back, Astaroth, and good for you! Congratulations.
It's nice to see you again! I wonder if we'll be witnessing some "Astarothing" in the near future...
post #11 of 24
Welcome back! I do recall wondering what happened to you...
post #12 of 24
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Congratulations on making it through relatively unscathed...you must be some kind of zen warrior monk or something. I trust this contract was, ahem, worth your time and frustration?

I would say that, on balance, the team came out the worse for the experience. I came perilously close to having my lead architect walk out on the contract twice. The second time was during a conference call in which his work was openly insulted by an inexperienced junior engineer. David quietly closed his laptop, said "F*ck this" in a clearly audible voice, and walked out. I watched him clean out his desk and carry everything out into the parking lot before I finally convinced him to come back.

As for being a "Zen warrior monk," I don't think I rise to the occasion. I've certainly managed to deal with high stress during two bouts of graduate school and some nasty contracts, but a real warrior monk could have fallen asleep properly. The real warrior monks are the foreign workers who are stuck in these companies for years at a time, raising families while working 14-hr days. I honestly have no idea how they do it. Americans should be very concerned that there are highly intelligent people from the third world, willing to and capable of suffering through conditions like this in order to earn money. That kind of competition should genuinely scare those of us in first world countries.

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Glad to have you back. How is the health situation at this point?

My blood pressure is about half way back to my normal range now, and I'm starting to be able to sleep normally without prescription medication. My blood pressure was what was scaring me the most. I could actually sit at my desk, hold my hands out in front of me, and take my pulse by feeling it in my fingertips. Scary stuff!
post #13 of 24
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The real warrior monks are the foreign workers who are stuck in these companies for years at a time, raising families while working 14-hr days.

Yeah, I was thinking about this after reading your first post. I can't imagine working on one task, at a desk for that amount of time. I assume these people aren't getting paid much, considering how much they do. It just boggles my mind that people with families are willing to put up with that. 14 hours per day. That's 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. I guess when your back's against the wall financially, you gotta do what you gotta do. But still. It's like the frickin' industrial revolution, or southeast Asia. Pisses me off.
post #14 of 24
Missed you Astaroth. I wondered what happened too. Really glad you're reading here again.
--Chris
post #15 of 24
Good to see you back. Figured you got sucked into something like that, but it sounds worse than I thought.
post #16 of 24
Glad you are out of that work insanity now and back to the 'sane' world of fragrance instead. Take refuge here ,friend.
post #17 of 24
Oh goody. Now we can use Astaroth as a verb again!! (Wearing of multiple frags in succession, for the newly minted.)
post #18 of 24
glad to have you back Astaroth
post #19 of 24
Great to have you back, Astaroth! I hope things are going well for you and yours back east too. I expect to be at MIT in October for the Media Lab 25th Anniversary party, btw.
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Great to have you back, Astaroth! I hope things are going well for you and yours back east too. I expect to be at MIT in October for the Media Lab 25th Anniversary party, btw.

I'm thinking of going back there for it too, along with some other alumni from your neck of the woods. This probably dates me terribly, but two friends of mine and I were some of the first people to hack the Media Lab building before they installed the security system in there. Although, we confined our efforts to simple breaking and entering, nothing quite as elaborate as subsequent tomfoolery.
post #21 of 24
Welcome back. Now we can get our regular 'trip to Scent Bar' reports.
post #22 of 24
Good to have you back, Astaroth. It does sound like hell. I think it's just outrageous how the information world has basically become the meat-packing industry of the 21st century. Brains are the new slave muscle.

For those who can't understand it - doing a 14 or 16 hour day of coding is no problem for the inspired nerd working excitedly on a great project under good management, just as working dawn to dusk on one's own land is a joyful thing. It's working under the whip that makes it evil.

Good for you for standing up for your guys, Astaroth. I am TOTALLY with that guy walking out to his car and saying screw it. You must have some real respectability with your people to pull him back from that.

And glad you got your woman back, too. That's what counts. She IS a champ, and you are one lucky geek.
post #23 of 24
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Welcome back. Now we can get our regular 'trip to Scent Bar' reports.

Amen to that! Welcome back Astaroth, I'm glad you made it out alive.
post #24 of 24
I had a similarly horrible experience with an employer several years ago. Working nights and weekends was considered mandatory. I left after six months of hell. The big tipoff: my friends said, "We've never seen you so unhappy." Uh-oh. I jumped at the first job offer I could get, which ended up being a superb career move. Now, many years later, I can only look back on that situation and think that I had to go through it in order to learn an important lesson.

To all who are reading this and might be in similar situations: you are not your job. There are no ninety-year-olds in the retirement home thinking, "Gee, I wish I had spent more time in the office."

Thank you, astaroth, for the thought-provoking post.
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