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Dandies take note: Guerlain to release the Arsene Lupin duo

post #1 of 95
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Hang on to your tophats, mes amis! Guerlain will release these two scents in the middle of July or August.

The two scents will indeed be in EDP strength. Both will retail for $230 dollars for the 100 ml size.

Le Dandy Version (The Gentleman) will feature as a leather/oriental scent with delicate violets and leather notes. Top: Bergamote, bares rose, bois de rose. Middle: Violet, sage, olibanum, cardamom. Base: Leather, patchouli and mixed spices.

Le Voyou Version (The Rascal) will feature as a fresh aromatic woody scent with bergamote notes, patchouli, benzoin, woody notes and white musk. Top: Bergamote, armoise, coriandre, citron. Middle: Cardamom, Bulgarian rose, sage. Base: Benzoin, patchouli, mixed spices.

EDIT: It think "bares rose" is a typo of "baie rose." But it is in the literature.
post #2 of 95
Dadnies?!
post #3 of 95
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Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post

Dadnies?!

Yes, the faute d'ortographe is corrected. (The "typo" in English.) You want to make a comment now about the scents?
post #4 of 95
Primrose- this is exciting ! Thanks for the news. Are they limited editions ?
post #5 of 95
The Dandy version certainly has my attention!
post #6 of 95
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Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post

Primrose- this is exciting ! Thanks for the news. Are they limited editions ?

No word on that, Mimi. I will post as soon as I know. This means tightening the old belt...or corset, as the case may be...to save that extra money!
post #7 of 95
I'm sort of hoping that I like only one of them, because buying two could be hard on the pocketbook, and I'm still looking to get the new cologne.

Maybe it's just the redneck in me, but Le Voyou looks just a bit more appealing right now. Also, violet can be a scrubber for me unless it's very light, because I'm hypersensitive to it.
post #8 of 95
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Originally Posted by Primrose View Post

Yes, the faute d'ortograph is corrected. (The "typo" in English.) You want to make a comment now about the scents?

I was just teasing.

They look very interesting and I hope to try them.
post #9 of 95
Le Dandy will be on to sample list for sure.
post #10 of 95
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No word on that, Mimi. I will post as soon as I know. This means tightening the old belt...or corset, as the case may be...to save that extra money!

Yup, less food, less everything........*LOL*
post #11 of 95
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Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post

I was just teasing.

They look very interesting and I hope to try them.

LOL! It's a combination of "daddy" and "dandy."

A "dadnie" is a dandy so virile that he can't stop siring children on all of his mistresses... LOL!

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Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post

I'm sort of hoping that I like only one of them, because buying two could be hard on the pocketbook, and I'm still looking to get the new cologne.

Maybe it's just the redneck in me, but Le Voyou looks just a bit more appealing right now. Also, violet can be a scrubber for me unless it's very light, because I'm hypersensitive to it.

I agree, Red, that TWO will be costly.

I add that these are creations of Jean-Paul Guerlain.
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A "dadnie" is a dandy so virile that he can't stop siring children on all of his mistresses...

LOL

"Dadnie! Tell me a story about how you met mommy!"

....at which point a huge throng of similar and beautiful children throw up their hands and scream "Me too! Me too!"
post #13 of 95
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Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post

LOL

"Dadnie! Tell me a story about how you met mommy!"

....at which point a huge throng of similar and beautiful children throw up their hands and scream "Me too! Me too!"

I can see how the "dadnie" in question would have to pause in thought, recalling how he seduced that particular child's mother in her theatre dressing room. "I will tell you when you are older, dear moppet."

In seriousness, I do want to sample the Dandy version when this is released!
post #14 of 95
Wow, those sound expensive.

And I still haven't even tried Tonka Imperiale and the new Cologne de Parfumeur (sp?)...nor have I tried Guerlain Homme Intense. Or that last Aqua Allegoria, I think it was called No. 1 or something like that.

Too. Many. Guerlain. Releases. Ack!
post #15 of 95
Yeah, that's pricey juice. But with my new found respect for Guerlain, my hopes are high that they will be worth it.

I hate it when I see frags I know I'll probably have to buy before they're available-- especially when the release date is still in play.
post #16 of 95
Great news!
In Russia they will be launched about October Lucky you!
Sure I`ll test them both - and choose one. At least one.
PS I could swear that I`ve got the bottle picture (glass rectangular in blackened metal case) somewhere in my home computer. But cannot find it now, sorry. So I`ll post it later.
post #17 of 95
Thanks for sharing! The dandy version really struck a cord with me!
post #18 of 95
Primrose: Is there any word who formulated these two fragrances? Was it T. Wasser or someone else? I definately need to try samples of these two. The problem is that they both sound good by the notes.
post #19 of 95
Primrose: I like the notes in both, but for the sake of my wallet hope I only like one when tried.
post #20 of 95
Considering the price, I think they are probably going to be Guerlain exclusives, ie. it's not going to be easy to find samples.
post #21 of 95
I will buy both as soon as they come out.
post #22 of 95
here are the pictures

and

Glass in wooden frame.
and both perfumes are made by JP Guerlain.
post #23 of 95
sexy, I hope I love them both
post #24 of 95
Primrose and moon_fish, thanks a lot for the info on scents and bottles! A new emerging Elixirs collection for men perhaps? The wooden case in all its naturalistic ecology is quite un-Guerlain, sadly reminds me of He Wood. Think I prefer all the glitter and gold. Doesn't look like a Jean-Paul idea, more an idea from the marketing department that he despises so much. I remember the marketing lady in that short programme about Jean-Paul talked about a wooden frame, but I assumed it was only the boutique display. But why not? Cologne du 68 also featured a wooden cap and it was beautiful. Obviously I will need to buy both unsniffed... but not before I have read some sniffing comments on BN
post #25 of 95
They both sound awesome, but Le Dandy sounds a little more mature and deeper. Two, Two, Two scents together. My frying brain circuits might override my pocketbook!
post #26 of 95
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Originally Posted by Mr. G View Post

Primrose and moon_fish, thanks a lot for the info on scents and bottles! A new emerging Elixirs collection for men perhaps? The wooden case in all its naturalistic ecology is quite un-Guerlain, sadly reminds me of He Wood. Think I prefer all the glitter and gold. Doesn't look like a Jean-Paul idea, more an idea from the marketing department that he despises so much. I remember the marketing lady in that short programme about Jean-Paul talked about a wooden frame, but I assumed it was only the boutique display. But why not? Cologne du 68 also featured a wooden cap and it was beautiful. Obviously I will need to buy both unsniffed... but not before I have read some sniffing comments on BN

Mr. G, I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line. (I happen to like Odori scents, but this is GUERLAIN.) I wanted something more 19th century or fin-de-siecle in spirit--something a man could display and enjoy on a vanity top...or the dressing table! I'd even like something in yet another bee bottle. Why ruin the whole inspiration of the famed gentleman-thief character for the two fragrances with something that looks Cubist or Minimalist? I was *not* impressed with the new Voyages bottles AT all.

I would have loved an Art Nouveau bottle!

Thanks esp. go to the wonderful sales staff at the Palazzo shops in Las Vegas. They are a wonderful, dedicated staff.

EDIT:

These will be Exclusives and only available from boutiques.
post #27 of 95
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Originally Posted by Primrose View Post

Mr. G, I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line. (I happen to like Odori scents, but this is GUERLAIN.) I wanted something more 19th century or fin-de-siecle in spirit--something a man could display and enjoy on a vanity top...or the dressing table! I'd even like something in yet another bee bottle. Why ruin the whole inspiration of the famed gentleman-thief character for the two fragrances with something that looks Cubist or Minimalist? I was *not* impressed with the new Voyages bottles AT all.

I would have loved an Art Nouveau bottle!

Thanks esp. go to the wonderful sales staff at the Palazzo shops in Las Vegas. They are a wonderful, dedicated staff.

EDIT:

These will be Exclusives and only available from boutiques.

Yes, Primrose, I do agree with you and Mr. G - gold&glass, art-deco or bee-bottles would look better.
I believe that Guerlain people were thinking about us - not to let item prices jump too high, and also to keep Arsene Lupin duo in range of Parisienne collection.
New bottles should remind some previous releases, but not being identical. (That`s just my speculation)

In any way - I would not mind the bottles in case of new colognes made by Jean-Paul Guerlain.
I even close my eyes for not to see undefinite and unnatural gray-rose-violet colour of juice!

I will enjoy it with my eyes closed!

And let me pouring my late thanks to you, Primrose, for the note pyramides.
post #28 of 95
Actually, I kind of like the look of those bottles (and I do have some Odori).

While I can see the appeal in here for very old school Guerlain bottles, my guess is they're trying to lure new buyers with a new looking bottle. They wanted something that stood apart from their other stuff.

While traditions hold a lot of water with many of us, the average schmo they're trying to get on the hook for a $230 of "smells purdy" juice would probably prefer that design to a bee bottle.

Too, many of us in here (self included) are going to rush to try these regardless of packaging. Primrose would buy a special edition scent from Guerlain called Le Dandy if it was in a recycled Coca-Cola can (me too).
post #29 of 95
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Actually, I kind of like the look of those bottles (and I do have some Odori).

While I can see the appeal in here for very old school Guerlain bottles, my guess is they're trying to lure new buyers with a new looking bottle. They wanted something that stood apart from their other stuff.

While traditions hold a lot of water with many of us, the average schmo they're trying to get on the hook for a $230 of "smells purdy" juice would probably prefer that design to a bee bottle.

Too, many of us in here (self included) are going to rush to try these regardless of packaging. Primrose would buy a special edition scent from Guerlain called Le Dandy if it was in a recycled Coca-Cola can (me too).

ROTFL! Or even a small empty airliner bottle that used to hold some Courvoisier!

StylinLA, you're a man after my own heart! You are on target, I think, about the "casual" Guerlain buyer, not the connoisseur.

Moon_fish, thanks to you for your early report on these two scents and the great bottle pictures.
post #30 of 95
The Rascal sounds like a 'sports' fragrance.

In the Dandy it will be interesting to see how they handle the interplay of violet, incense and leather notes
post #31 of 95
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StylinLA, you're a man after my own heart! You are on target, I think, about the "casual" Guerlain buyer, not the connoisseur.

I'm no expert, but you hold up a bee bottle to a 30 something with enough change to pop $230 for something special it'll leave him cold. Many of us know and revere Guerlain and it's history, but they've already got us. They need to lure someone who wants the latest, the greatest, the best.

The thing I'll be curious to see is how they roll it out. One of my pet peeves with Guerlain in Los Angeles is that you have to dig for it. The Bev Hills Saks is split into two separate physical stores- mens and womens. The men's store cologne counter carries only Guerlain Vetiver. You have to have the presence of mind to go into the ladies store to find Habit Rouge, Derby and L'Instant Pour Homme.

I'll be looking for the tell tale signs of other BNers scanning the Guerlain coutner too.
post #32 of 95
urgh
post #33 of 95
Just got a mail from PR madam chez Guerlain. She says it will appear in Paris not before October 2010.
post #34 of 95
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Originally Posted by moon_fish View Post

here are the pictures

and

Glass in wooden frame.
and both perfumes are made by JP Guerlain.

Exciting stuff.Oh, by Jean Paul and NOT Thierry .............

Interesting bottles - they do remind me a little of ...
post #35 of 95
Was thinking the same thing about the bottles. Nothing original. But I'm always up for another leather oriental esp if it's by J P Guerlain though Le Voyou doesn't sound that interesting from the notes alone. Maybe they got the two note lists mixed up? 'Rascal' with citrus, bergamot and Bulgarian rose?
post #36 of 95
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I keep thinking of Odori when I see these two bottles. Nothing can be farther from the inspiration of the gentleman thief of literature from the turn of the 20th century. (I happen to enjoy Odori Tabacco.) I was envisioning something even in amber glass, like an apothecary bottle with a glass stopper. And now...this....

I will at least try the leather/violets, however.

http://www.basenotes.net/articles/20090122-odori.html
post #37 of 95
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I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line.

+2

Still great news, though.
post #38 of 95
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I am admiring my bee bottles and trying to deal with the heartbreak of those wooden bottles. In the end, though, it's the scent one wears and not the bottle.
post #39 of 95
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I am admiring my bee bottles and trying to deal with the heartbreak of those wooden bottles. In the end, though, it's the scent one wears and not the bottle.

Actually, for some, it's the entire package that counts...
post #40 of 95
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Actually, for some, it's the entire package that counts...

True! If Shalimar Parfum came in minimalistic Chanel-like bottles, it just wouldn't feel the same.
post #41 of 95
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Would anyone take me to task if I decanted some of my Guerlain into an empty antique Baccarat bottle of Milord by D'Orsay? At least it "would" have a dandy on the bottle.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...ottle-77721858

Something about the essence of fragrance for me includes a fine glass flacon and a stopper...call me a purist.
post #42 of 95
I hope that Guerlain would not mentioned 'invitation to layering' of both perfumes in the PR?
post #43 of 95
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Considering the price, I think they are probably going to be Guerlain exclusives, ie. it's not going to be easy to find samples.

Less even possible to find them in peripherical markets... BNoters based in Alpha cities, you've got a heck of a potential business there!
post #44 of 95
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Mr. G, I also do not like the wooden bottles. What a let-down! They remind me of something too contemporary, such as the Odori line...

Primrose, get it off your mind: the ones cherishing things from the past - as we are - are a minority. I have a brother working at a very traditional cosmetic company with a 150 year long history, they won't even consider reviving anything, not even the relaunch of traditional brands remembered and cherished by everybody.

BTW, this reflects the continous discussion on traditonalism and modernism

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ictecture.html

And here is the outcome...

http://www.architecture.com/TheRIBA/...re/speech.aspx

See, it is not that easy.
post #45 of 95
I actually love the bottles! Then again, I'm not exactly one for history, Guerlain can always maintain the aesthetic of their older releases, but they don't need to remain in that same rut forever. Jeez, they're new fragrances, allow them to try to reach a new demographic with it. I, for one, think they are very stylish in a contemporary way, and look a heck of a lot better than both the Odoris or He Wood bottles.
post #46 of 95
I couldn't care less about classic aesthetics. I'm more concerned with originality and good taste, and the new bottles are uninspired, unoriginal and rather ugly.
post #47 of 95
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I couldn't care less about classic aesthetics. I'm more concerned with originality and good taste, and the new bottles are uninspired, unoriginal and rather ugly.

And you have every right to feel that way. I'm not the best judge when it comes to visual aesthetics, and my tastes don't really have much rhyme or reason to them. I like contemporary, and I like this. It seems clean and streamlined.
post #48 of 95
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Primrose, get it off your mind: the ones cherishing things from the past - as we are - are a minority. I have a brother working at a very traditional cosmetic company with a 150 year long history, they won't even consider reviving anything, not even the relaunch of traditional brands remembered and cherished by everybody.

BTW, this reflects the continous discussion on traditonalism and modernism

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ictecture.html

And here is the outcome...

http://www.architecture.com/TheRIBA/...re/speech.aspx

See, it is not that easy.

Pollux, thank you for the New Yorker link, esp. for the cartoon of the dandy Eustace Tilley on the masthead! Eustace, of course, was a fictional character based on...the Comte d'Orsay! LOL!

I think Prince Charles has a special mission on preserving heritage and the past, he himself a part of a monarchy that goes back centuries. I think countries unlike the U.S. (or those founded on colonialism) see the world differently that those with a very long past. Cultures like Japan are an odd blend of centuries-old tradition and modernism.

I think "The Shock of the New," the infatuation with novelty, wears off. People look for the ever-new. BTW, historian James Laver came up with a chronology of the way we perceive art in culture. We can look at a beautiful Belle Epoque ball gown in 2010 and say how beautiful it is, but I am sure it was an ugly out-of-fashion object in the 1920s. I guess it's all a part of marketing: new, new, ultra-new, then traditional. It's a cycle. What is old is new again.

In the 19th century the Eiffel Tower was considered ugly. I think Guy de Maupassant said he had meals sitting *under* it because he did not have to look at it. Now it's considered a beautiful iconic image of the city of Paris.
post #49 of 95
Hope that they aren`t really similar to Coriolan, since the line in which they`ll be launched already comprises two masculine fragrances similar to Coriolan (Chamade Pour Homme and L'Ame d'un Héros).
I thought that I would buy these two this year, but for that price they`ll have to wait since I want more Tonka Imperiale. My leather purchase, I think, will probably be from Van Cleef.
post #50 of 95
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Hope that they aren`t really similar to Coriolan, since the line in which they`ll be launched already comprises two masculine fragrances similar to Coriolan (Chamade Pour Homme and L'Ame d'un Héros).
I thought that I would buy these two this year, but for that price they`ll have to wait since I want more Tonka Imperiale. My leather purchase, I think, will probably be from Van Cleef.

Rick, I think, as StylinLA observed, that these will be marketed differently from the Exclusives in the bee bottles. I think Guerlain is looking to be "edgy" with the wooden bottles and striking out in a different direction.

For leather, you may wish to give Guerlain's Derby a try.
post #51 of 95
I guess the bottles can be considered a masculine approach with the use of wood, however I too find them a little insipid.

Still, the scents themselves have put a big blip on my radar! Thanks for the heads up Primrose.
post #52 of 95
I've just read on "The Scented Salamander" that the 2 fragrances "are part of the Les Parisiens collection" and that their price is "165 for 100 ml".

http://www.mimifroufrou.com/scenteds..._dandy_ar.html
post #53 of 95
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Originally Posted by Primrose View Post

Rick, I think, as StylinLA observed, that these will be marketed differently from the Exclusives in the bee bottles. I think Guerlain is looking to be "edgy" with the wooden bottles and striking out in a different direction.

For leather, you may wish to give Guerlain's Derby a try.

Primrose, I understood that they will be part of the line, but they will have different bottles. The problem to me is the price; for that price I want tonka imperiale. I have vintage Derby and I still need to buy the new one someday. I thought that this two launches from Guerlain would be mass market ones, that`s why I said that I`ll buy the new from Van Cleef, Midnight In Paris, instead of these two.
post #54 of 95
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Primrose, I understood that they will be part of the line, but they will have different bottles. The problem to me is the price; for that price I want tonka imperiale. I have vintage Derby and I still need to buy the new one someday. I thought that this two launches from Guerlain would be mass market ones, that`s why I said that I`ll buy the new from Van Cleef, Midnight In Paris, instead of these two.

Rick, I can see one must make choices at these prices! (sigh) The new version of Derby is indeed very elegant.

Alberto, mille grazie for the nice article post. Thank you!

I guess this makes me one of the aforementioned "gentlemen's club." LOL!

I can see why the Lout "rogue" motif can appeal to the "scamp" in all of us, while Dandy appeals to the more chivalrous older man of fashion. Dandies "do" mature with age. Someone in the late 1830s gave up a life of gambling, pleasure-seeking, womanising and trips to the tailors, (or at least curtailed it) and switched from bright colours to dark, sober suits. He ended up restoring murals on church walls and working as a government bureaucrat! LOL! That's what happens when you are short of cash.
post #55 of 95
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This is an update: I understand from Guerlain that the launch will be in late August or early September.
post #56 of 95
I want both
I need both
I should be allowed to have both
... and the new VC&A as well.

Seriously, I'm holding my breath on these... I have great expectations, which is always a bad attitude to adopt
post #57 of 95
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The latest update: Guerlain have said samples should be out soon, but the bottle release is set for October.

I think I will wear Jolie Madame today for its violet leather.

The violet is that quintessentially Victorian flower, and the smell of leather recalls horse tack. This does seem dandified!
post #58 of 95
Here is a first review of Arsène Lupin taken from a blog... it has been put through a google translator, so please try and see past the grammatical inconsistencies and gobblygook etc. Still, it makes for some very interesting reading.

Arsene Lupin has the distinction of disguise, is
makeup, dressing up or become even, as
character he plays. It is therefore quite difficult to make
an accurate description. However, the natural question,
seems to be to a rather slender, good-looking and
of unusual strength, related to his training. "

This phrase, found on the web to describe the physics
figure also applies to perfumes that take up the
name. The two new Guerlain Men announced for very
soon plundered in the directory olfactory past Guerlain
to make up, make up and become the taste of the day
in two directions: the dandy and the thug.

For the first, the Dandy is on the side of chypre and
Mitsouko that the thief is gone for his treasure. The frame
This agreement is Dandy bergamot and patchouli-fishing-foam
tree (because it can not use the oak moss). Perfume
presents itself as a distinguished perfume, haughty, elegant,
that enhances the smoky notes of leather and wood as
vetiver probably as the general appearance is worthy of
Fine fragrances around vetiver. Unlike Mitsouko, it
is not flowery, and I think this Dandy share a little with the
same intent as what was done last year with
Mitsouko Lotus Flower, namely reinterpret the myth in a
more contemporary context. The feminine side a bit that generates
this relationship could interfere with Mitsouko few of
you, but it is a tradition among male Guerlain
verge on the other side without going there really. I think Arsene
Lupin Dandy highbrow worthy of the brand, if
there was the price. The only regret is that it does not innovate
more.

The second, Arsene Lupin Thug hides under his air perfume
Luxury her love for the remix. Is it to confuse the
tracks or to be in the wind? Probably, but I can not
help but read into it will do more
openly accessible by tapping on the territory of Boss
Signature vanilla and cedar, which would have transferred
with the signature leathery amber fragrance which celebrated the 180
anniversary of the brand Guerlain 180 Years. This foot Guerlain too
obviously not my cup of tea, but she deserves to be me
may be less elitist than the Dandy. You can judge by yourself
same.

Even if I find the Dandy Interestingly, there is no shot
heart for me, because I think these heroes disguised missing
may be what made Guerlain what they were before:
the soul of heroes perfumes that take risks, the soul of
real perfumes. The choice of hero is it by chance
reflection of the mood of shareholders because, given the price, the
treasure plunder these gentlemen burglars want is to
no doubt that your wallet? I find it
unfortunate to arrive at this point to find a
identity, but that's another debate.
post #59 of 95
The reviewer seems somewhat nonplussed , they certainly sound interesting and definatly worth a try
post #60 of 95
I hope they're disappointing. At least I'll save some money...
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