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Jicky or Mouchoir de Monsieur?

post #1 of 29
1/10/11 at 1:02pm
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There was an older thread on this, and a more recent thread that included Caron too.

But I have been going through a Guerlain phase, and like these two. Seems like there is a common thread - vanilla? Is it the civet? Can someone weigh in with thoughts on these, and which do you like better, no not better, but which could slide more easily into one's wardrobe? Am I correct in thinking that they are similar enough that one should not need both?
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post #2 of 29
1/10/11 at 1:15pm
I don't know about whether getting one negates the need to get the other. The weird thing with the Jickies/MdM/Lavande Velours (even) is that they all slice the same material so finely that your nose/brain ends up wanting to switch between them with different wearings.

I've got Jicky edt and pdt. Having those made me need MdM and a wonderful member's comment that the lavender used in those is similarly replayed in Lavande Velours made me need it too. I think once you pick up one you'll gravitate toward the others rather than exclude them.

One could conceivably be content with just one of them, but it would probably be Jicky edt I think. It's the most similar to MdM, preserving the lightness and etherealness. Jicky pdt is heavier, denser, and closer.
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post #3 of 29
1/10/11 at 1:41pm
Definitely Mouchoir de Monsieur.
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post #4 of 29
1/10/11 at 1:52pm
I prefer MdM.
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post #5 of 29
1/10/11 at 2:29pm
Oh definitely both! And if you have not tried Jicky in parfum, please do - it knocked my socks off.
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post #6 of 29
1/10/11 at 5:28pm
I prefer MdM
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post #7 of 29
1/10/11 at 5:30pm
I prefer MdM too, but there's room in your wardrobe for both. Jicky: spring for EdP.
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post #8 of 29
1/10/11 at 6:06pm
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Okay, seriously people, have I mentioned that I hate you?!

At least three of you have me getting both! And at least one of you has me getting both, plus the Jicky in edp!! Let me ask the question in more absolute terms - if you really were just going to buy one, only one (no really, you know New Year resolution about more restraint, blah, blah, blah) would it be the MdM or Jicky (edt, not edp). In your opinion, are they close enough in scent that one might consider other factors? Is there a certain sense of history that is attached to Jicky that makes it more interesting to own?
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post #9 of 29
1/10/11 at 6:09pm
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Okay, seriously people, have I mentioned that I hate you?!

At least three of you have me getting both! And at least one of you has me getting both, plus the Jicky in edp!! Let me ask the question in more absolute terms - if you really were just going to buy one, only one (no really, you know New Year resolution about more restraint, blah, blah, blah) would it be the MdM or Jicky (edt, not edp). In your opinion, are they close enough in scent that one might consider other factors? Is there a certain sense of history that is attached to Jicky that makes it more interesting to own?

Oh god, now I hate YOU! I'll have to wear the ones I've got before becoming able to decide which of them I would pick. Arg, the difficult decisions!
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post #10 of 29
1/10/11 at 6:12pm
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Oh god, now I hate YOU! I'll have to wear the ones I've got before becoming able to decide which of them I would pick. Arg, the difficult decisions!

Good times, Dust. Good problems to have...
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post #11 of 29
1/10/11 at 6:18pm
MdM is probably better for a man though there are different concentrations of Jicky that smell differently. Jicky is very powdery and a civet blast. Mouchoir has more civet, but it is better blended and time released on might say.
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post #12 of 29
1/10/11 at 6:26pm
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Good times, Dust. Good problems to have...

Yes indeed my friend. I'm sure glad you've willed upon me the wearing of such great potions.
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post #13 of 29
1/10/11 at 7:06pm
I have a full bottle of Jicky EDP in my wardrobe, once sniffed, but never used thereafter because I just cannot brook the civet, which is also a problem for me in Mouchoire de Monsieur, so these two Guerlains are off of my list of wearable, for me, fragrances.
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post #14 of 29
1/10/11 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by funraiser18 View Post

...if you really were just going to buy one, only one (no really, you know New Year resolution about more restraint, blah, blah, blah) would it be the MdM or Jicky (edt, not edp)...

Mouchoir de Monsieur. I do not like Jicky in EdT, at all. Too powdery.
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post #15 of 29
1/10/11 at 7:21pm
Mouchoir de Monsieur has been my signature fragrance for years, but Jicky is the one I choose more often at the moment. MdM is the ultimate in understated refinement, but Jicky has a wild streak. It's amazing considering how superficially similar they are.
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post #16 of 29
1/10/11 at 9:11pm
I own and love JICKY in all three concentrations AND I own and love MdM so I am not great with the "either, or" scenario.
But I did buy MdM first mainly because I was in the Guerlain Boutique and I wasn't sure where I would see MdM again. JICKY seems to be available from many more venues so I slowly acquired those after MdM. If you like both frags, you will eventually need both frags as they are not twins by any stretch.
To ad even more confusion, Basenotes own "Mouchoir de Monsieur" is a great JICKY devotee and goes thru liters of the stuff....but he recently found that not only has JICKY extrait been repackaged in less expensive packagaing, but he is sure the juice itself has been reformulated to an inferior version of its once grand self. NOT good news.
If the extrait has been tampered with, I don't hold hopes for the rest of the line staying put.
The good news is, this seems to have been a very recent occurance so you could theoretically acquire recent vintage that was still up to snuff (so to speak).
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post #17 of 29
1/11/11 at 8:35am
They are similar. Even between concentrations of Jicky however there are enough differences to warrant testing each. I am glad I don't have to decide between them. MDM is obviously the one people around here tend to find more wearable. But I don't find Jicky to be at all feminine. They are all very warm and elegant. If you press your nose up to where you sprayed the fragrance on any of them you will be very aware of the civet, but the sillage simply smells warm and elegant, others around you are not smelling civet, I guarantee you.

These are all classic scents that are worth testing more than once before you make up your mind IMO.
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post #18 of 29
1/11/11 at 9:52am
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They are similar. Even between concentrations of Jicky however there are enough differences to warrant testing each. I am glad I don't have to decide between them. MDM is obviously the one people around here tend to find more wearable. But I don't find Jicky to be at all feminine. They are all very warm and elegant. If you press your nose up to where you sprayed the fragrance on any of them you will be very aware of the civet, but the sillage simply smells warm and elegant, others around you are not smelling civet, I guarantee you.

These are all classic scents that are worth testing more than once before you make up your mind IMO.

Guys - these are some great responses - thank you. mrclmind - YES, I agree that up close I am getting lots of civet. Right now I am wearing MdM, and up close it seems a little funky, especially at first. Will be testing these, and will keep you posted.
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post #19 of 29
1/11/11 at 1:40pm
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For me Jicky edt is nicer but has poor longevity. MdM is much longer lived. I have both - similar but both worth having.
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post #20 of 29
1/11/11 at 2:39pm
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For me Jicky edt is nicer but has poor longevity. MdM is much longer lived. I have both - similar but both worth having.

EDP has very good longevity, and parfum is exemplary.
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post #21 of 29
1/11/11 at 5:43pm
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To ad even more confusion, Basenotes own "Mouchoir de Monsieur" is a great JICKY devotee and goes thru liters of the stuff....but he recently found that not only has JICKY extrait been repackaged in less expensive packagaing, but he is sure the juice itself has been reformulated to an inferior version of its once grand self. NOT good news.
If the extrait has been tampered with, I don't hold hopes for the rest of the line staying put.

So they've finally messed with Jicky. Has the World gone mad?
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post #22 of 29
1/11/11 at 11:48pm
I'm looking forward to my MdM that's on its way to me. I find Jicky extrait not really terribly special (it's just nice to me), short-lived and really quiet. My choice would be the really civet-y PdT, which again is getting close to the feel of wearing vintage Shalimar extrait in its drydown, but then vintage Shalimar is playing in its own league... do I really need Jicky? Maybe not.
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post #23 of 29
1/12/11 at 12:18am
Dear funraiser. I'm very sorry to say this, but you have to get both.

I personally think that Moucoir de Monsieur is a better fragrance of the two. But then again... that's only due to my current preference towards balanced and subtly great fragrances in favour of more flamboyant ones.
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post #24 of 29
1/12/11 at 12:38am
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I'm looking forward to my MdM that's on its way to me. I find Jicky extrait not really terribly special (it's just nice to me), short-lived and really quiet. My choice would be the really civet-y PdT, which again is getting close to the feel of wearing vintage Shalimar extrait in its drydown, but then vintage Shalimar is playing in its own league... do I really need Jicky? Maybe not.

Word for word.

I have been owning MdM for more than 6 months and I just purchased a fresh 30 ml bottle of Jicky extrait in Paris 2 weeks ago. I was expecting much more from Jicky extrait, it is indeed extremely quiet (unlike Mitsouko or Shalimar in extrait concentration). I challenged the Guerlain SA on the huge price difference between the EDP/PDT and extrait versions but she was adamant that the extrait was way more concentrated than the EDP (she didn't say by how much though).

Yet I am still not sure of this, and I wish I had bought 3 full bottles of EDP instead of one little bottle of extrait, for about the same amount of money. Guerlain extraits are very expensive (Habit Rouge extrait is 300 EUR for 50 ml, Jicky is 255 EUR for 30 ml), and as far as Jicky is concerned, I am now pretty sure that you get more perfume oils in three 50 ml EDP bottles than in one 30 ml bottle of extrait for about the same price.
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post #25 of 29
1/14/11 at 6:18pm
I owe Funraiser an apology for not posting to this thread for a few days. I've been wearing the three that I have, Jicky edt, pdt, and MdM for the last few days and I intended to add thoughts on whichever one I was wearing that day. The odd thing is that nothing came to mind to say about them until now. I saved MdM to wear at the end of the week, and maybe that's why I think I've got something to say at last.

MdM is da bomb. I think this is the one of the three to get. I must tip my hat to all my friends who've already said this above. Sometimes I'm just a slow nitwit.

MdM seems the more complex of the three, and oddly I liked JIcky edt second best this time (before my favorite has been Jicky pdt). MdM tapers off the lavender and ramps up the anise and some bit of wood I think, and my god it comes off so reserved yet involved yet like nothing else and finally it comes off with incredibly beautiful power.

Jicky edt lasted 28 hours on me, through two clothing changes and pajama wearing too. It became more and more of a lavender dominant scent, and I was all prepared to declare it kick ass on the pdt which I found too anchored, dense, and close in comparision, but after that edt wearing the MdM wearing blew it away.

My MdM is probably ten years old and is in a bee bottle. I don't know for sure if it's what's sold as MdM today but I suspect it is. It's a perfect casual and formal scent at the same time. Maybe an ideal signature scent. I ran for the bus late in the day today and then rode it delighting in the MdM paradise coming out the neck of my coat.

They're all three different but very similar. You won't confuse one for the other, but speaking in my case, the delight of MdM will eclipse the significant pleasures of the other two.
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post #26 of 29
1/14/11 at 6:36pm
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I owe Funraiser an apology for not posting to this thread for a few days. I've been wearing the three that I have, Jicky edt, pdt, and MdM for the last few days and I intended to add thoughts on whichever one I was wearing that day. The odd thing is that nothing came to mind to say about them until now. I saved MdM to wear at the end of the week, and maybe that's why I think I've got something to say at last.

MdM is da bomb. I think this is the one of the three to get. I must tip my hat to all my friends who've already said this above. Sometimes I'm just a slow nitwit.

MdM seems the more complex of the three, and oddly I liked JIcky edt second best this time (before my favorite has been Jicky pdt). MdM tapers off the lavender and ramps up the anise and some bit of wood I think, and my god it comes off so reserved yet involved yet like nothing else and finally it comes off with incredibly beautiful power.

Jicky edt lasted 28 hours on me, through two clothing changes and pajama wearing too. It became more and more of a lavender dominant scent, and I was all prepared to declare it kick ass on the pdt which I found too anchored, dense, and close in comparision, but after that edt wearing the MdM wearing blew it away.

My MdM is probably ten years old and is in a bee bottle. I don't know for sure if it's what's sold as MdM today but I suspect it is. It's a perfect casual and formal scent at the same time. Maybe an ideal signature scent. I ran for the bus late in the day today and then rode it delighting in the MdM paradise coming out the neck of my coat.

They're all three different but very similar. You won't confuse one for the other, but speaking in my case, the delight of MdM will eclipse the significant pleasures of the other two.

Very well-stated. Makes me want to bathe in MdM. I had a similarly strong experience with it a couple of weeks ago. A wild business day, and the fine scent of MdM kept me simultaneously entertained and focused. Just a spray or two under a dress shirt, that's all. One of the better fragrance wears I've had in the last month or so.
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post #27 of 29
1/15/11 at 2:03am
Fantastic post DustB. Mouchoir de Monsieur is eternally in my top three alongside Eau d'Hermes (not a very creditable statement from a basenoter). If I'm sometimes few months not posting here, it's because I'm so content with MdM and few other scents that I can safely call masterpieces.
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post #28 of 29
1/15/11 at 5:17am
OK, I cannot help as I would get both. First MdM, then Jicky.
Not in terms of likability, but in terms of availability.
I`m beware MdM could disappear from shelves, as it`s been produced in limited quantities for years, while Jicky was available.
As for juices, I wear both with even great pleasure.
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post #29 of 29
1/15/11 at 6:07am
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I find Jicky extrait not really terribly special (it's just nice to me), short-lived and really quiet. My choice would be the really civet-y PdT.......do I really need Jicky? Maybe not.

I agree, the extrait is lovely, but too much of a skin scent and misses the raunchy topnotes of the other strengths. Jicky EdP, straight out of the bottle, is 5 minutes of baby vomit and dirty diapers, and then it's just nice. So I agree, do I need it?
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