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How are milk and metallic notes achieved? How about incense?

post #1 of 14
4/11/11 at 6:35pm
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post #2 of 14
4/11/11 at 7:20pm
Helional gives a metallic feel to blends.
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post #3 of 14
4/12/11 at 8:57am
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Thanks Lauren
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post #4 of 14
4/12/11 at 8:03pm
Aldehyde C12 MNA smell like hot iron
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post #5 of 14
4/13/11 at 5:57am
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Oh sweet! Hot iron is even better! How are these combined with naturally derived materials like essential oils? Thanks guys
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post #6 of 14
4/13/11 at 5:23pm
You can combine them any way you want. Naturals and aroma chemicals are great together.
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post #7 of 14
4/13/11 at 6:22pm
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Thanks . Any suggestions as to where to get these aroma chemicals? I only know of one place in Toronto and they have a very scare offering. They have none of the above suggestions .Affordable websites that ship to Canada are also good.

Also, just to confirm: fragrances are pretty much composed of
1) essential oils/fragrance oils/ aroma chemicals (all treated in the same way and substituted for one another with no special steps unique to each one, right?)
2) alcohol/carrier oils
3) a bit of water (optional)
Is this correct?

Thank you so much
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post #8 of 14
4/14/11 at 12:54am
I'm pretty sure that's right. The only thing I'd add is that I've been warned that many of the aroma chemicals are a lot stronger than essential oils and so really need to be diluted down before using them, sometimes even down to 1% or so.

The Perfumer's Apprentice will ship to Canada. She sells aroma chemicals in small (affordable!) quantities, which is nice for people like me who don't really know what we're doing yet. Her website also organizes the chemicals by odor family and gives some hints on which of them are so strong that they really need to be diluted down a lot, similarly helpful for beginners.

Methyl Laitone is supposed to give a milk note. That's what my notes say, anyway. Maybe someone more experienced can confirm or deny this?

"Incense" usually seems to mean frankincense, or an accord of frankincense mixed with other resinous sorts of things, like opoponax, copaiba balsam, balsam of peru, myrrh, labdanum, etc.
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post #9 of 14
4/14/11 at 3:45am
i haven't any expirience with methyl lactone yet
for me massoia bark extract is most "milky" material
agree with afartherroom about insence
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post #10 of 14
4/14/11 at 6:04am
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Oh, you guys are life savers!! So what is the aroma chemicals diluted with? Thanks
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post #11 of 14
4/14/11 at 6:27am
Hey, TeeTee.

Usually you can just dilute it with whatever the base of your perfume is going to be. So, if you're making a regular perfume like most of the commercial brands, those are alcohol-based, so you'd use alcohol (ethanol, not rubbing alcohol). If you were making an oil-based perfume or solid, then you would use oil.

Alcohol dissolves nearly everything, which makes it a lot easier to work with in some ways than oil. I've been trying to work with oil, and I'm finding that it can sometimes be a challenge to figure out how to dilute some of the stickier stuff, like resins and absolutes.
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post #12 of 14
4/14/11 at 9:14am
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I want to hug you! Thank you sooooo much!!
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post #13 of 14
4/16/11 at 1:36pm
Methyl laitone has a creamy fatty coconut smell. I really like it.
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post #14 of 14
4/21/11 at 5:45am
For metallic notes you can use a blend of Vetiver and Fir Absolute, specially the Fir works good by itself.
I found Opopanax has a interesting metallic accent that you can combine with other ingredients to give different metallic notes.

For milky notes Methyl Laitone it´s a good choice. Methyl Laitone it´s very subtle, so you have to use with the right ingredients for a good milky note.
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