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post #181 of 212
2/23/13 at 11:07am
Hi all,
I'd like to know if this is the original version (the valuable one) :

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post #182 of 212
2/23/13 at 12:21pm
I have the Made in Germany version and love it. It's way better than the newest formulation.... however I haven't smelled the original.
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post #183 of 212
2/23/13 at 1:26pm
I just bought a 90% full 2.5oz bottle of the vintage made in Italy juice on eBay for $27. I've had it for two days now and am loving it. My local Dillard's still has the vintage formula in its tester bottle, so I knew I loved it (based on comparing with the newer version at Sephora). Also, I'm a huge fan of Versace's Dreamer, so the similarities of the tobacco flower/blossom note are what drew me to D&G as well. And I'm very pleased with the deal. The seller bought it from an estate sale & had washed all the bottles so the sticker had came off. Guess that scared some buyers away, but when he said that, I knew it was the vintage sticker version. (and since it was from an estate sale, I figured it wasn't a fake). And sure enough, it's the vintage version complete with the made in Italy sticker, and the code checks out on Checkcosmetic.com as being made in 2006. So I'm very happy with the great deal on this awesome scent.
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post #184 of 212
2/23/13 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by Christian M View Post

I have the Made in Germany version and love it. It's way better than the newest formulation.... however I haven't smelled the original.

Same here. Not sure I even want to smell the vintage, don't want it to ruin my feelings toward my made in Germany. It's one of my special occasion scents, I wore it at my wedding last year so it's quite a significant scent for me. Have not smelled the latest reormulation either, but haven't heard anything good about it.
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post #185 of 212
2/23/13 at 3:18pm
I will probably try to seek out an additional 125mL of the Germany version sooner or later. Hopefully I'll come across it on eBay where no one really would suspect it's worth since the bottle is identical to the new formulation.
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post #186 of 212
3/14/13 at 1:29pm
Hi all,
I had a quite strange experience.
Found this bottle in a sort of "garbage angle" in a small perfumery, and the old seller told me it was there "more than 10 years!" and nobody wanted to buy it because "it's a splash bottle, nobody want splashes today...". Okay.



First: no indications on the sides or bottom or top of the velvet box.



Second: only Three ingredients on back.




Third: A strange batch code on the velvet



and finally, the bottom sticker is different from other ones: it's written only in italian.
note: the batch code is THE SAME on box and on bottle



Now, check cosmetic says: YEAR 2007.

the strange things are:
- Can only 3 ingredients be listed on box, in 2007 ? (IFRA directives activated already in 2000-2001)
- Can splash bottles be still in production, in 2007? (almost every splash production, excepted the aftershaves, ended in 1999-2000, all brands )

My suspect is: this a bottle from 1997, not 2007. Could it be possible? What's your opinion?
Could you post any picture of your vintage bottle box? Especially for ingredients list.
(Smell is definitely richer and more refined than today bottles: it's pity for the missing spray)

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post #187 of 212
3/14/13 at 1:49pm
I have the same splash bottle I bought over 10 years ago. I just transfer it into 5ml glass atomizers when needed
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post #188 of 212
3/14/13 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Erok32 View Post

I have the same splash bottle I bought over 10 years ago. I just transfer it into 5ml glass atomizers when needed

in this case, we could be proud owners of a "original-vintage-before-any-reformulation" D&G PH bottle
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post #189 of 212
3/14/13 at 2:15pm
Hi,

I have this one I think that's the original (Vap.) version...?



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post #190 of 212
3/14/13 at 2:24pm
i have the most recent formula. still smells very good .
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post #191 of 212
3/14/13 at 2:35pm
Yes, it's a vintage (sticker) version of most likely 2007.
I actually wonder why you ask as this is all more than clear when reading this thread lol

About the smell: I own 4x 75 ml bottles of vintage sticker, Made in Italy versions (see also my posts in this thread) of which all are from different years of production and they all smell the same to me; meaning excellent!


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Originally Posted by mdclx View Post

Hi,

I have this one I think that's the original (Vap.) version...?




- - - Updated - - -

Meaning the 'Made in Germany' or 'Made in UK' version?
Plz do a side by side with original vintage (sticker, made in Italy) as the difference is almost beyond comprehension, lol (see earlier posts). I own the Germany version as well and I consider it actually as a completely different scent compared to vintage. In short: a lemony tobacco-less summer version with bad longevity compared to the vintage.



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Originally Posted by joov84 View Post

i have the most recent formula. still smells very good .
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post #192 of 212
3/14/13 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by Slayerized View Post

Yes, it's a vintage (sticker) version of most likely 2007.
I actually wonder why you ask as this is all more than clear when reading this thread lol

I have difficulties to believe a 125ml EDT -not aftershave- splash bottle was produced in 2007.
Even more if a box report only a 3-ingredients-list... in 2007. It is impossible.

Seems someone re-packaged my bottle with a newer batch code, in an older box.

- - - Updated - - -

well, it seems a very old bottle, before year 2000, not 2007 ...I'm very confused.




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Originally Posted by mdclx View Post

Hi,

I have this one I think that's the original (Vap.) version...?



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post #193 of 212
3/16/13 at 2:16am
@Andre

I own 4x 75ml bottles with sticker, made in Italy.
They are all produced between 2000 and 2008 and look the same as yours.
Mind that all bottles between 1994-2009 with the sticker looked the same.
The sticker on the bottom can and is sometimes different. This one looks looks the same as mine from 2007 with the 6 digit code, starting with a 7 (2007).
If you're 100% sure yours is from pre-2007, it is most likely from 1997.
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post #194 of 212
3/16/13 at 3:07am
I have had the opportunity to smell the vintage, the first reformulation, and the newest current scent. The vintage is obviously a classic frag that has beastly longevity and depth. The first reformulation is still very good but not near as long lasting or deep and rich. The current formulation is pure garbage. Absolutely lemon, lemon, lemon, no creamy tobacco, no depth, and certainly no longevity, Although those of us who have had the opportunity to have owned or currently own the vintage formulation may be a bit skewed in our judging as we have a dynamite fragrance as a point of reference. It could only get worse, lol.
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post #195 of 212
3/16/13 at 3:18am
Meaning the 'Made in Germany' or 'Made in UK' version?
Plz do a side by side with original vintage (sticker, made in Italy) as the difference is almost beyond comprehension, lol (see earlier posts). I own the Germany version as well and I consider it actually as a completely different scent compared to vintage. In short: a lemony tobacco-less summer version with bad longevity compared to the vintage.[/QUOTE]

i have the one made in UK . i know it smells a bit different but i like it and enjoy it. i used the vintage back in 2003.
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post #196 of 212
3/16/13 at 4:05am
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Originally Posted by Andrè Moreau View Post

I have difficulties to believe a 125ml EDT -not aftershave- splash bottle was produced in 2007.
Even more if a box report only a 3-ingredients-list... in 2007. It is impossible.

Seems someone re-packaged my bottle with a newer batch code, in an older box.

- - - Updated - - -

well, it seems a very old bottle, before year 2000, not 2007 ...I'm very confused.

Andre, the easiest thing to do is spray some on your skin - let us know how you go.
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post #197 of 212
3/16/13 at 6:07am
previously posted on another thread:
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D&G pour Homme

Original version: 1994 to 2000 (produced by Euroitalia factory, with top-quality ingredients)

First reformulation : 2000 to 2008 (produced by Euroitalia, still high-quality, but with slight changes due to restrictions)

Second reformulation :2009-2011 (produced by P&G, "made in Germany", heavily reformulated, great differences from the original, but considered still -barely- acceptable)

Third reformulation, 2012-today: ("Made in UK", probably the worst )
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post #198 of 212
3/17/13 at 5:53am
So here is where the plot thickens. I have a 4.2 oz bottle from 2007 that has on the sticker P&G Beauty but made in Italy, AND its a sticker bottle!!!
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post #199 of 212
3/18/13 at 7:13am
Probably one of the last bottles produced in Italy, when the propriety changed.
2007/2008 were a transitioning year, maybe.

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So here is where the plot thickens. I have a 4.2 oz bottle from 2007 that has on the sticker P&G Beauty but made in Italy, AND its a sticker bottle!!!
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post #200 of 212
3/20/13 at 12:16am
Reformulation,It is one of the most used word on basenotes. To me it doesnt make anysense reffering to a scent that has been reformulated. Once reformulated what can be done. Almost all the fragrances through out the world are being reformulated.So reformulation is no big deal. If you like a brand get it and wear it.
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post #201 of 212
3/20/13 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by surileo View Post

Reformulation,It is one of the most used word on basenotes. To me it doesnt make anysense reffering to a scent that has been reformulated. Once reformulated what can be done. Almost all the fragrances through out the world are being reformulated.So reformulation is no big deal. If you like a brand get it and wear it.

Do you realize that you are telling us that we should continue to buy a product even if it bears little resemblance to its previous incarnation, due to some sense of "brand loyalty?" If not, then I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a brand loyalty person so that would not apply to me, and I'm sure there are a whole lot of people like me. But you are correct, in that if someone, for some reason beyond my comprehension, feels that they must buy a scent that is marketed under a particular brand, then yes, I guess they will "grin and bear it."
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post #202 of 212
3/20/13 at 2:29am
There are scents that after two/three reformulations are completely different; and still bear the same name.
It's more honest to change name at this point....


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Originally Posted by surileo View Post

Reformulation,It is one of the most used word on basenotes. To me it doesnt make anysense reffering to a scent that has been reformulated. Once reformulated what can be done. Almost all the fragrances through out the world are being reformulated.So reformulation is no big deal. If you like a brand get it and wear it.
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post #203 of 212
3/21/13 at 1:13am
I have one half full bottle from 2007 and as I really loved the juice added 2 full 125ml bottles of 2010 formulation, but I have not opened them yet.
Do you mean that they don't worth it to have 2 backup bottles? If so I can swap one of them with some other thing...
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post #204 of 212
3/21/13 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post

Do you realize that you are telling us that we should continue to buy a product even if it bears little resemblance to its previous incarnation, due to some sense of "brand loyalty?" If not, then I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a brand loyalty person so that would not apply to me, and I'm sure there are a whole lot of people like me. But you are correct, in that if someone, for some reason beyond my comprehension, feels that they must buy a scent that is marketed under a particular brand, then yes, I guess they will "grin and bear it."

It doesn't seem to be hurting sales but only cause endless conversation here on Basenotes Forum.
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post #205 of 212
3/21/13 at 4:19am
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Originally Posted by scentimus View Post

It doesn't seem to be hurting sales but only cause endless conversation here on Basenotes Forum.

The food industry did this same sort of thing long ago (read "Fighting the Food Giants," for example). It was likely widespread even in the ancient world. The point here is brand loyalty if you know what's going on, not if you are one of the "sheeple" who just buy without a second thought. If you want to be among the sheeple, be my guest !
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post #206 of 212
3/21/13 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Andrè Moreau View Post

Hi all,
I had a quite strange experience.
Found this bottle in a sort of "garbage angle" in a small perfumery, and the old seller told me it was there "more than 10 years!" and nobody wanted to buy it because "it's a splash bottle, nobody want splashes today...". Okay.



First: no indications on the sides or bottom or top of the velvet box.



Second: only Three ingredients on back.




Third: A strange batch code on the velvet



and finally, the bottom sticker is different from other ones: it's written only in italian.
note: the batch code is THE SAME on box and on bottle


Now, check cosmetic says: YEAR 2007.

the strange things are:
- Can only 3 ingredients be listed on box, in 2007 ? (IFRA directives activated already in 2000-2001)
- Can splash bottles be still in production, in 2007? (almost every splash production, excepted the aftershaves, ended in 1999-2000, all brands )

My suspect is: this a bottle from 1997, not 2007. Could it be possible? What's your opinion?
Could you post any picture of your vintage bottle box? Especially for ingredients list.
(Smell is definitely richer and more refined than today bottles: it's pity for the missing spray)


Looks like you happened upon a wonderful bottle. Enjoy.
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post #207 of 212
4/1/13 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post

Do you realize that you are telling us that we should continue to buy a product even if it bears little resemblance to its previous incarnation, due to some sense of "brand loyalty?" If not, then I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a brand loyalty person so that would not apply to me, and I'm sure there are a whole lot of people like me. But you are correct, in that if someone, for some reason beyond my comprehension, feels that they must buy a scent that is marketed under a particular brand, then yes, I guess they will "grin and bear it."

I quite agree with you in the sense that you don't want to continue with the brand that is reformulated. If that is the case Just move away from that brand if you feel it is not worth. Again i would like to stick to the same point, once reformulated there is not much you can do about that. What is the point of having an animated conversation over the basenotes?
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post #208 of 212
4/1/13 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by scentimus View Post

It doesn't seem to be hurting sales but only cause endless conversation here on Basenotes Forum.

The so called "endless conversation" is quite helpful and shows the depth of knowledge and appreciation of fragrance enthusiasts.
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post #209 of 212
4/1/13 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by surileo View Post

...What is the point of having an animated conversation over the basenotes?

I can't control how "animated" people get, nor do I care, really. I've seen a lot more "heated" threads on other sites, actually. And while it may bother some people, I've gotten used to it, and I try to just respond in a straightforward way. The point of more than one "conversation" can vary, but some of us are researching formulations so we post new information as we learn about it. There are many threads I have no interest in and don't read, so I simply do not understand why people who don't believe reformulated scents can smell different continue to read the threads and try to tell some of us that we are smelling something that doesn't really exist. Just stick to the threads that interest you is my advice.
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post #210 of 212
5/6/13 at 7:26pm
I have a bottle of the "Germany" formulation and I really like it, but I was not familiar with the original. After reading up on these forums and reviews online it really made me curiosity to smell the original so I found a 4.2 oz. bottle that is over 95% full. I was actually shocked at how big of a difference there is. A lot of the reviewers online say that the differences are minimal, but they are very significant. The Italy version has much less citrus and much more tobacco. The dry down is very smooth and more complex. I'm really glad I tried the original. Having said that, I really like with the "Germany" version and wish to use it as more of a summer scent. The Italy version gives me more of a fall/winter vibe. My wardrobe is mostly loaded with fall/winter scents right now. I would be willing to part with this almost full bottle of the "Italy" juice if anyone is interested in contacting me. Although I would love to keep it in my wardrobe, I'm not sure I would appreciate it as much as someone who fell in love with the original and now misses it. Shoot me a message if interested.
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post #211 of 212
5/6/13 at 7:50pm
Howdy John, and welcome to the forums

I don't know how much time or money you spent in acquiring your Made in Italy bottle, but my advice would be to keep it. I know from my own experiences that I have sold bottles, only to regret it later. People's tastes not only change over a long period of time, but can alternate week to week. I know I have fragrances that I smell one week and think "no", and the next week they smell great and I wear them.

Also, you can layer both formulations one on top of the other. That way, you can have the best of both. Or spray part of your body with one, and elsewhere with the other.

Just my 2 cents.
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post #212 of 212
5/6/13 at 7:56pm
I've come to dislike the German formulation. There's something that smell "off" about it in an "unnatural" way, and it seems a bit unbalanced too. I intend to wear the original tomorrow, so I'll report back if I do.

UPDATE: Wore it today and the difference is clear, in that the original smells entirely natural and balanced correctly. I'm sure the German version would be fine for most people who like this kind of scent, but if you are discerning about ingredient quality I suggest only seeking out the original.
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