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post #1 of 75
11/13/11 at 7:05am
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Just watched Pacquiao v Marquez. Another HIGHLY debatable decision.

Marquez plainly did the cleaner work and much of Manny's work was caught on the arms and shoulders. Unless they've changed the rules and I missed it, those aren't scoring punches and I am at a total loss to explain the judges decision, especially the 116-112 which gave 8 rounds to Pacquiao.

Oh, actually, I think I can explain it. You can't let a fair and just decision get in the way of a potential $200m superfight with Mayweather, can you? Subjective refereeing my arse.

I feel for Marquez, he got shafted IMHO. These decisions never seem to end and it makes the greatest sport in the world into a laughing stock. No wonder people are shifting towards MMA.

I am a huge PacMan fan, but he lost this fight, and any hope I had that he could defeat Mayweather has just evaporated, which is a shame, because I'd love to see that little prick get his arse kicked.

I honestly feel like giving up on boxing when fiasco's like this happen.
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post #2 of 75
11/13/11 at 8:01am
It really wasn't even debatable that Marquez won. Boxing has had controversial fights this entire year. Even though I'm not as angry about it as you, I think the judging is obviously rigged.

You also have to consider that there was potentially hundreds of millions of dollars bet on Manny that would have been lost - Could possibly be something shady going on there.
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post #3 of 75
11/13/11 at 8:22am
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Oh, actually, I think I can explain it. You can't let a fair and just decision get in the way of a potential $200m superfight with Mayweather, can you? Subjective refereeing my arse.

This is why it happened.
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post #4 of 75
11/13/11 at 2:58pm
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This is why it happened.

+1.
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post #5 of 75
11/14/11 at 9:46am
the bout was boring and none of them excelled specially. I would have given a draw decision.
Marquez wasn´t bad , neither very well , but has a handicap: he fight to counterattack , no expose himself too much. Notice this point: even the jab of Marquez is defensive.
a fact: according CompuBox, Pacquiao throwed more punches and landed more, too.
anyway , in my book there wasn´t a clear winner; to me was draw.

THAT SAID, boxing judges are managed many times.
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post #6 of 75
11/14/11 at 11:06am
i did not see it but two so-called "experts" i've listened to blame Marquez for not being aggressive enough..................
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post #7 of 75
11/14/11 at 11:26am
Welcome to the old pugilistic truism that the only way you can be reasonably certain of a fair decision in a bout is by laying the other man flat out on the canvas...

even then it's not a guarantee.
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post #8 of 75
11/14/11 at 3:25pm
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Welcome to the old pugilistic truism that the only way you can be reasonably certain of a fair decision in a bout is by laying the other man flat out on the canvas...

even then it's not a guarantee.

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post #9 of 75
11/14/11 at 3:45pm
Well I don't know anything about boxing, but this story is as old as the hills. NBA and NFL officials consistently boost popular teams for profitable playoff matchups. The BCS system in college football is garbage and proud of it. Most televised sports is "reality entertainment programming," and should be granted all the credibility of that title.
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post #10 of 75
11/14/11 at 4:37pm
I watched and scored the fight last Saturday night and had Pacquiao won 115-113. If Marquez fought aggressively until the end, I could've scored it the other way around. I thought there was something wrong with Pacquiao, and he actually had leg cramps (exactly what happened to him in his last fight vs Mosley) -- that's his excuse.

I think they should have one last fight; old school 15 rounds.

As for Mayweather, I don't think he'll fight Pacquiao and risk his 0 loss record, because his future's marketability depends on it. Boxers, who are all about money don't interest me.
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post #11 of 75
11/14/11 at 6:16pm
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As for Mayweather, I don't think he'll fight Pacquiao and risk his 0 loss record, because his future's marketability depends on it. Boxers, who are all about money don't interest me.

If they do ever fight, Pacquiao is in a world of trouble. Mayweather counters better than Marquez. He may be the greatest counterattacking fighter in history. The Marquez counter is what allowed Marquez to dominate most of the fight.
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post #12 of 75
11/14/11 at 7:58pm
I have always loved PacMan and also Marquez. Two of the best no question.

Pac is too busy now with politics and has been distracted. He may never get the mojo back. He clearly isn't the fighter he was 18 months ago and beyond. It's not age either since he's literally in his prime.

Mayweather I despise. There's nothing better I'd like to see than that loudmouth, money burning asshole get rocked. Is he great? Yea, he is....but doesn't possess the intangibles to ever be loved in the sport.

I hope the fight between him and PacMan NEVER comes off. He ducked PacMan while Pac was unstoppable and besides, that would mean a mega payday for someone I detest.
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post #13 of 75
11/15/11 at 12:16am
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If they do ever fight, Pacquiao is in a world of trouble. Mayweather counters better than Marquez. He may be the greatest counterattacking fighter in history. The Marquez counter is what allowed Marquez to dominate most of the fight.

I've been watching Mayweather since he fought the late Diego Corrales. He was a very good counter puncher. But, I think he has lost that and his speed due to his age and inactivity in the ring. What happened to him in the 2nd round vs Mosley is what's gonna happen to him throughout the fight if he ever has the testicles to fight Pacquiao.


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I hope the fight between him and PacMan NEVER comes off. He ducked PacMan while Pac was unstoppable and besides, that would mean a mega payday for someone I detest.

That's what I think as well. Manny earns his money and gives it to the poor people in his country, while Mayweather acts like a spoiled kid and burns it.
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post #14 of 75
11/15/11 at 3:10am
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I have always loved PacMan and also Marquez. Two of the best no question.

Pac is too busy now with politics and has been distracted. He may never get the mojo back. He clearly isn't the fighter he was 18 months ago and beyond. It's not age either since he's literally in his prime.

Right, Dave! but Many is not a robot so he can have a bad day. I don´t think that better days of Pacman goes on


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Mayweather I despise. There's nothing better I'd like to see than that loudmouth, money burning asshole get rocked. Is he great? Yea, he is....but doesn't possess the intangibles to ever be loved in the sport.

I hope the fight between him and PacMan NEVER comes off. He ducked PacMan while Pac was unstoppable and besides, that would mean a mega payday for someone I detest.

yeahhhh, I agree with you mate!! but that day would be (also) a mega payday for another one that deserve it!! (..and his name is not Floyd)

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If they do ever fight, Pacquiao is in a world of trouble.

I´m not so sure about it. We don´t see ever Floyd in big troubles , so we don´t know his capacity of take punches or suffering.
Pacquiao is physical beast, he is always in highest shape , he can take hard punches and resist entire and the most important:
a cornered pacquiao is way dangerous than Floyd. Pacman is much more puncher.
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post #15 of 75
11/15/11 at 3:23am
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I've been watching Mayweather since he fought the late Diego Corrales.

I´ve been watching all his career and the opponents of Floyd were (some good gladiators) but with very poor boxing conditions to face to an skillfuf boxer.that´s why People like Pacman!! he was defeated (floyd never) but he is a true champion with testicles.
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post #16 of 75
11/15/11 at 7:18am
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I've calmed down a bit now. Still think, upon re-watching it, that Marquez deserved the nod.

I accept that this was a controversial decision as opposed to an outright robbery such as those Pernell Whitaker had to put up with against Chavez and Ramirez, all those years ago.

BTW, if you ever want to see thoroughy inept and possibly corrupt refereeing (as opposed to judging) I'd recommend watching Sven Ottke (if you can stay awake) against Robin Reid. Comes to something when the ref warns you for hitting your opponent in a boxing match!
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post #17 of 75
11/15/11 at 7:36am
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BTW, if you ever want to see thoroughy inept and possibly corrupt refereeing (as opposed to judging) I'd recommend watching Sven Ottke (if you can stay awake) against Robin Reid. Comes to something when the ref warns you for hitting your opponent in a boxing match!


The worst officiated fight I've seen is the recent fight between bantamweights Mares vs Agbeko. I'm pretty sure that referee is under Oscar De la Hoya's (Mares' promoter) payroll.

P.S. They are due for a rematch next month.
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post #18 of 75
11/15/11 at 7:47am
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Saw that fight, NH. Truly disgraceful officiating!

Funny that ODLH was so vociferous in saying how officiating needed to be tightened up after his second match with Mosley (which was very close) but defended the ref here, isn't it?! lol
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post #19 of 75
11/15/11 at 7:56am
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The Pacquiao/Marquez fight looked to me like Marquez had a very slight edge overall but not enough to score it as a win for him.
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post #20 of 75
11/15/11 at 8:06am
It's great to see so many who still care about this glorious sport so rich in cultural history and so important in struggles for freedom from oppression and poverty amongst both black and white.
I didn't see the whole contest unfortunately. I'm a big PAC-man fan and sincerely hope the judging was honest. It is not difficult to suspect that bribery takes place at times though and from what I've heard and seen it did look suspect. So easy to get a judge to increase one fighters score by one or two from round to round....
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post #21 of 75
11/15/11 at 8:14am
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Hirch,

Feel free to PM me if you'd like to see the fight.
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post #22 of 75
11/16/11 at 6:38am
Any of you guys like Amir Khan? Since he started training with Freddie Roach he kind of reminds me a little bit of Pacquiao. His in and out attack is pretty good.
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post #23 of 75
11/16/11 at 6:46am
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Our perception over here, after the Prescott fight, was that Khan was chinny. However, since the move to jr welterweight, he seems to be a bit stronger in that department. Perhaps he was weak at lightweight, who knows?

He certainly looks to have most of the tools, especially speed. And having Freddie Roach is no bad thing!
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post #24 of 75
11/16/11 at 7:55am
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Any of you guys like Amir Khan? Since he started training with Freddie Roach he kind of reminds me a little bit of Pacquiao. His in and out attack is pretty good.

I like Khan , Roach has trained him to improve his defense and his movements in the ring, especially the distance because Khan has very strong, has good fundamentals but was a little uncontrolled. He nedeed to balance his crazy style.
Anyway, he is always in very good condition , hit fast, train very hard but he lacks of killer instinct of great champions for my liking.
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post #25 of 75
4/15/12 at 8:33am
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Just watched Rios vs Abril. Another shocking decision.

In the clinches, Abril reminded me a bit of Mayweather, turning his shoulder inwards to make it hard for Rios to connect. He did the much cleaner work and IMO he got stiffed.

Now Rios gets a big payday with Marquez. Oh, wait. That's the point, isn't it?
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post #26 of 75
5/3/12 at 10:28am
I strongly recommend this bout



It was absolutely awesome!! .. and the 8th round was terrific.


PS. in this image , Salido looks like Cotto
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post #27 of 75
5/3/12 at 4:24pm
Now this is boxing!!!
Gary
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post #28 of 75
6/10/12 at 4:36am
and finally .... Pacquiao lost.



although according to many analysts, Pacquiao looked better, it seems that the judges , who seemed eternal friends of the Philippine in their decisions , this time turned their backs on him with their cards.
anyway, the duel Bradley vs Pacquiao didn´t end last night, there will be revenge ..... and the Philippine will win.
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post #29 of 75
6/10/12 at 4:46am
I haven't watched boxing since the Muhammed Ali days, but think that all sporting events are prone to bad officiating. Some soccer matches are really disgraceful the way a ref will ignore blatant fouls and with it being so hard to score a goal every one counts for a lot.
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post #30 of 75
6/10/12 at 5:01am
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and finally .... Pacquiao lost.

Pacquiao did not lose. He was robbed. That was the worst BS judges decision I've ever seen in boxing. Teddy Atlas was on ESPN calling boxing corrupt. Floyd Mayweather Sr said Pacquiao won. Dana White said "Nevada state athletic commission at its finest!!! (sic)Youve for to be [expletive] kidding me!! that is disgusting Nevada state athletic commission!!" Freddy Roach may be Manny's trainer but he's a call it like it is kind of guy who's forgotten more about boxing than most people will ever know about it, he said "I thought we won the fight. I thought that was one of the best fights he fought since Cotto. ... I thought we clearly, clearly won the fight. I think [the judges] had their eyes closed. ... I didn't see that many close rounds. ... I like knockouts, and when he gave the 11th round away, I said, "Manny, go out there and finish this guy." ... I had it 10 rounds to 2."

I'm so disgusted with it, it flat out makes me sick.
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post #31 of 75
6/10/12 at 7:47am
THe way boxing is shedding fans to UFC/MMA bouts you'd think they'd figure out a way to prevent crap like this from happening.

Best quote of the evening:

"Blame here has to fall on Pacquaio's inept strategy of punching Bradley more often and much harder..."
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post #32 of 75
6/10/12 at 8:06am
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Best quote of the evening:

"Blame here has to fall on Pacquaio's inept strategy of punching Bradley more often and much harder..."

hahahaha, otherwise a brilliant strategy. Truth be told, the problem isn't exclusive to boxing. MMA has got it's problems with judges getting it wrong and K1 has notoriously shady judges, Buakaw vs Souwer immediately comes to mind. Until they show scoring after every round with some sort of accountability, they score keepers can continue to operate with impunity throughout ringsports. But this BS decision has left a very sour taste in mouth. The worst I've seen in boxing.
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post #33 of 75
6/10/12 at 8:34am
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I didn't have it as wide as some, I scored it 116-112 to MP, as Pacquiao did rather a lot of coasting in the later rounds, but if hitting your opponents arms with punches were counted as scoring punches then that's the only way Bradley could have won. Last time I checked this was not the case....

Despite his protestations, I sense the hand of Bob Arum in this. At least with a rematch, as opposed to a Pac/Mayweather fight, it's all kept in house.

As bad as it was, I've seen worse decisions. The really bad ones are when the ref is in on the fix as well - see Reid vs Ottke and Mares vs Agbeko.
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post #34 of 75
6/10/12 at 11:41am
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Pacquiao did not lose.

ok , so I had misunderstood the newspapers this morning. He won.
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post #35 of 75
6/10/12 at 12:30pm
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and finally .... Pacquiao lost.

Great news. Maybe it was karma for his bigoted comments/opinions.
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post #36 of 75
6/10/12 at 12:51pm
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Pacquiao did not lose. He was robbed.

This ^^^^^^^
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post #37 of 75
6/10/12 at 2:45pm
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Petruccijc, I take your point, but as odious as MP's opinions are, they have no bearing on whether he was robbed or not.

The only karma in this farce must be the grin on Juan Manuel Marquez's face today
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post #38 of 75
6/10/12 at 2:52pm
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and finally .... Pacquiao lost.



although according to many analysts, Pacquiao looked better, it seems that the judges , who seemed eternal friends of the Philippine in their decisions , this time turned their backs on him with their cards.
anyway, the duel Bradley vs Pacquiao didn´t end last night, there will be revenge ..... and the Philippine will win.



Hardly eternal friends. Granted, JMM was robbed (maybe more than once) , but De La Hoya, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley? Are you seriously suggesting that they won against Pacquiao?

Does anyone know if there is any sort of independent exmamination of officials' financial records ever carried out? Somehow, I doubt it.
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post #39 of 75
6/10/12 at 2:52pm
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and finally .... Pacquiao lost.



although according to many analysts, Pacquiao looked better, it seems that the judges , who seemed eternal friends of the Philippine in their decisions , this time turned their backs on him with their cards.
anyway, the duel Bradley vs Pacquiao didn´t end last night, there will be revenge ..... and the Philippine will win.



Hardly eternal friends. Granted, JMM was robbed (maybe more than once) , but De La Hoya, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley? Are you seriously suggesting that they won against Pacquiao?

Does anyone know if there is any sort of independent exmamination of officials' financial records ever carried out? Somehow, I doubt it.
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post #40 of 75
6/10/12 at 5:30pm
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Hardly eternal friends. Granted, JMM was robbed (maybe more than once) , but De La Hoya, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley? Are you seriously suggesting that they won against Pacquiao?.

Not at all. I´m a huge fan of the figure of Pacquiao : his boxing and his personality.
I was just saying that according to some people Pacquiao always found the favour of the judges and today It was shown the opposite.This was my message.
btw if you want to admire the Pacquiao's superiority (which I share), do not look those unequal bouts against de la hoya, Clottey, Margaritto .. Look at him some time before against Morales, Barrera, and more recently Cotto.
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post #41 of 75
6/10/12 at 5:56pm
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The boxing event last night was a classic definition of highway robbery.
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post #42 of 75
6/10/12 at 5:58pm
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Petruccijc, I take your point, but as odious as MP's opinions are, they have no bearing on whether he was robbed or not.

The only karma in this farce must be the grin on Juan Manuel Marquez's face today

You reap what you sow.......
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post #43 of 75
6/10/12 at 6:27pm
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ok , so I had misunderstood the newspapers this morning. He won.

lolz, you know what I mean my dude. I'll never acknowledge that fight as a win for Bradley when discussing fights with people who follow boxing; that outcome will be dismissed as a joke by anyone in the know. Yes it's technically a win but that performance will never be a win in my book, which is unfortunate 'cause I like Bradley and think the kid has heart and it's not his fault. When you have Teddy Atlas on espn saying "boxing is corrupt," that isn't just a quip. I can't wait to hear what Kellerman has to say about it. I hate the corruption, but a close second is I hate that Mayweather will now be able to completely duck Pacquiao for awhile longer, if not forever. I guess I can hope for Amir Khan to put on a few pounds or Sergio Martinez to lose a few though. I think both of those dudes could give Mayweather problems, especially Martinez.
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post #44 of 75
6/10/12 at 6:38pm
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You reap what you sow.......

You're addressing something that has nothing to do with boxing or corruption in boxing.
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post #45 of 75
6/11/12 at 1:33am
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Not at all. I´m a huge fan of the figure of Pacquiao : his boxing and his personality.
I was just saying that according to some people Pacquiao always found the favour of the judges and today It was shown the opposite.This was my message.
btw if you want to admire the Pacquiao's superiority (which I share), do not look those unequal bouts against de la hoya, Clottey, Margaritto .. Look at him some time before against Morales, Barrera, and more recently Cotto.

Seen them all, my friend. But I'm not sure whether the recent bouts were that unequal given that Pacquiao started as a flyweight and has been fighting welters and light middles. Admittedly, there was an element of catchweight involved but these guys were huge once they hit the ring. Remember that the De La Hoya fight was largely expected to be a gimmick and a mismatch in DLH's favour.

I think that Pacquiao is one of those fighters that don't come around very often, like Henry Armstrong. But I also think that he'd have trouble hitting Mayweather with a bag of confetti. More's the pity, as despite Pacquiao's shortcomings vis a vis his anti-gay comments, in my opinion he is merely misguided whereas Mayweather is a true, odious bell end.
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post #46 of 75
6/11/12 at 2:52am
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lolz, you know what I mean my dude. I'll never acknowledge that fight as a win for Bradley when discussing fights with people who follow boxing; that outcome will be dismissed as a joke by anyone in the know. Yes it's technically a win but that performance will never be a win in my book, which is unfortunate 'cause I like Bradley and think the kid has heart and it's not his fault. When you have Teddy Atlas on espn saying "boxing is corrupt," that isn't just a quip. I can't wait to hear what Kellerman has to say about it. I hate the corruption, but a close second is I hate that Mayweather will now be able to completely duck Pacquiao for awhile longer, if not forever. I guess I can hope for Amir Khan to put on a few pounds or Sergio Martinez to lose a few though. I think both of those dudes could give Mayweather problems, especially Martinez.

agree on everything ....

less (LoL) You´ll never see a Martinez vs Mayweather. Martinez punch and its current domain of the distance, completely exclude him from any list of potential rivals.At the top of that, Sergio is a top champion now, so he wouldn't be satisfied with the sharing of profits (30-35/70-65) that Mayweather´s promoters usually offer.
I´m sad for Bradley because he is very good boxer, with enough technical and tactical arguments that he doesn't need help.
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6/11/12 at 3:17am
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Seen them all, my friend. But I'm not sure whether the recent bouts were that unequal given that Pacquiao started as a flyweight and has been fighting welters and light middles. Admittedly, there was an element of catchweight involved but these guys were huge once they hit the ring..

That´s correct, sir , but you know that even so, Paquiao was miles ahead of all these rivals in speed, physical botton ,dodge and punch, before entering the ring.

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Remember that the De La Hoya fight was largely expected to be a gimmick and a mismatch in DLH's favour.

I see what you mean but you know that DLH was already dead, in the twilight of his career.
How many punches did he throw on mayweather? (and that without counting those who really landed).

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I think that Pacquiao is one of those fighters that don't come around very often, like Henry Armstrong. But I also think that he'd have trouble hitting Mayweather with a bag of confetti. More's the pity, as despite Pacquiao's shortcomings vis a vis his anti-gay comments, in my opinion he is merely misguided whereas Mayweather is a true, odious bell end.

totally agree!
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post #48 of 75
6/11/12 at 3:25am
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Cheers blackened. I think we pretty much agree on it all.
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6/11/12 at 3:46am
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Cheers blackened. I think we pretty much agree on it all.

sure!!
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post #50 of 75
6/11/12 at 4:03am
Looks like Kelly Pavlik is back on track. There's talk of him taking another fight before they'll consider giving him a shot at the strap. My buddy said Froch but I'm thinkin' Bute. I'd like to see either actually. I don't know if Kelly can make it back to the top as both Bute and Froch are tough, seasoned fighters who will no doubt give him problems, but I guess we're gonna see. I'd hate having to pick a side if it's Bute vs Pavlik though as I really like both.
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6/11/12 at 4:32am
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I'm not too sure if Pavlik isn't damaged goods. Hopkins absolutely schooled him, and what with his problems outside the ring, I think his best may have passed.

It'll also be interesting to see how Bute comes back from the shellacking that Froch gave him, a truly confidence shattering defeat. Can't see him wanting a rematch.

As for Froch, rematches with Kessler and Ward are the only big ones out there for him. Kessler is a 50:50 call and may be dependant upon where the fight is held, but I can't see anyone in that division beating Ward.
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6/11/12 at 5:24am
I watched his tune up on friday night fights, he seemed sharp and he was doing a lot of shouder rolling, KPAV essentially carried the fight as long as the dude could take it. He was working the body nice and throwing them hookercuts, which are great if you're certain you have the angle. I truly believe he's got his life together as he was saying the things I needed to hear him say.

That's why I'm saying KPAV vs Bute, Froch v Kesseler, winner gets Andre Ward. KPAVS only losses are to BHOP and Sergio Martinez, both of which he took the distance and if I remember correctly did vs martinez with a nasty cut over his eye for most of the fight and he still won some late rounds.
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6/11/12 at 5:37am
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Yep, I'd go along with that but at first I'd separate the two contenders that I see as the strongest and having the best track records (Kessler and Froch). So for me it's Pavlik vs Froch and Kessler vs Bute. Winners face off, and the victor gets Ward.
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post #54 of 75
6/11/12 at 7:18am
Paquiao like any great fighter, will definitely pick his time and get his revenge. He was robbed of that fight.
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6/11/12 at 5:31pm
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Yep, I'd go along with that but at first I'd separate the two contenders that I see as the strongest and having the best track records (Kessler and Froch). So for me it's Pavlik vs Froch and Kessler vs Bute. Winners face off, and the victor gets Ward.

Man those are tough fights to pick winners in. I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
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post #56 of 75
6/12/12 at 4:19am
Is here where bouts are ordered a la carte? LoL

I would like a....
Darchinyan vs Donaire II
Kirkland vs Angulo II
Salido vs Lopez III

and why not Abraham vs Carl Froch?
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6/12/12 at 5:57am
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I can't see Abraham getting any closer to Froch than he did the first time. Like your other choices though!
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post #58 of 75
6/12/12 at 11:21pm
Any thoughts on Lee v JCC jr?
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6/13/12 at 2:32am
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Not sure yet Shiny.

Like most, I though Jnr was overhyped and getting an easy time by having Chavez as a name, but whilst he'll never be the fighter his father was, there's something there. I'd like to see him fight Canelo but I think the weight difference might be too great as Jnr is HUGE by the time he gets into the ring.
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6/13/12 at 2:57am
I agree that JCCjr was getting a ride, but the kid is something like 45-0. Only complete fight I watched of his was vs Zbik and one thing I noticed was the leading with his head down, almost inviting uppercuts. It might been bait, but it seems like something that can become a bad habit. Lee looks solid and there's a nice price on him (57/20). I think I might bite.
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