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post #61 of 118
Maybe this can be the beginning of a (or another) discussion on the fact that even though IFRA doesn't make laws but just "suggests" to follow its rules, the vast majority of perfumers follows it slavishly. And maybe we would like to see if some independent perfumer would be able to survive ignoring it.
post #62 of 118
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I’m not sure if you’ve had a look at my site, but I remember writing about my Equisetum fragrance (a classic masculine aromatic Fougère) that it has ‘maximum permitted levels of oakmoss’, which it does. When I designed it originally it was for a commission (in the end the client chose something else, so I was free to market Equisetum) and the original design had a lot more oakmoss - about 10 times as much in fact - for the retail product I had to replace most of it with a synthetic substitute.

The point of this ramble is that I’ve been wondering about putting a note on the site to say that you can have the original, non-compliant, formulation if you specifically request it. My thinking being that a specific request like that would constitute consent to exposure to more than the usual amount of the potential allergen and so protect me from lawsuits. I’m not sure whether there is really that much market for it though - other than a few Basenotes aficionados that is.
post #63 of 118
You made a good choice of course, it's always better to preserve your business, especially in this tough period.
What bothers me is that, as I can understand, a perfumer wouldn't do anything illegal by simply don't accomplishing IFRA standards, but the power of IFRA components is able to exclude him from the market if he tries to.
post #64 of 118
Have a look at the outlaw project here
post #65 of 118
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Its a good project and Im broadly in agreement with its premise - had it been run by an organisation open to people who also use synthetics Id have been inclined to join in the project. Perhaps I should start a new organisation: The Unnatural Perfumers anyone?
post #66 of 118
I quote Chirs entirely, nothing to add.

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Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post

Perhaps I should start a new organisation: The Unnatural Perfumers anyone?

If you do, you have my support
post #67 of 118
hello may i ask one dummy question since when these IFRA rules apply? from which year and month on? is it july 2010? so that i know how to use that in buying parfumes i still can find some produced 2009 and 2010 january....i suppose....
and for example would you recommend shalimar 2009 or new one from 2011? what materials changed? bergamot oil? thank you!
post #68 of 118
hello may i ask one dummy question since when these IFRA rules apply? from which year and month on? is it july 2010? so that i know how to use that in buying parfumes i still can find some produced 2009 and 2010 january....i suppose....
and for example would you recommend shalimar 2009 or new one from 2011? what materials changed? bergamot oil? thank you!
post #69 of 118



Apparently the FDA doesn't consider Methyl Merthacrylate, Barium Sulfate, Zinc Oxide and Eugenol a problem to mix together and put into the mouth. This is for sale nationally in the USA. The IFRA would hemmorhage if these ingredients were offered in a wearable fragrance.
post #70 of 118
Lag problems lead to double posts.
post #71 of 118
Mr. Bartlett when you say the percentages apply to the finished product what do you mean? For example if I have 100 grams of a cologne, the Lyral this cologne can contain is 0,2 grams of undiluted Lyral?
Thank you!
post #72 of 118
Perhaps the Supernatural Perfumers could use a guild as well, seeing as the IFRA hasn't placed any restrictions on mojo, fairy dust or ectoplasm (yet). [CUE the theme from X-Files.]
post #73 of 118
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by princeOK View Post

Mr. Bartlett when you say the percentages apply to the finished product what do you mean? For example if I have 100 grams of a cologne, the Lyral this cologne can contain is 0,2 grams of undiluted Lyral?
Thank you!

Yes thats it exactly. Equally if you were making a 250gram shower gel, you could have a total of 0.25grams of oakmoss in it (the restriction for category 9 being the same, in this case, as for category 4 at 0.1%)
post #74 of 118
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Originally Posted by BoisLeLe View Post

Perhaps the Supernatural Perfumers could use a guild as well, seeing as the IFRA hasn't placed any restrictions on mojo, fairy dust or ectoplasm (yet). [CUE the theme from X-Files.]

I rather like the sound of fairy dust perfume, but dont tell IFRA - its dangerous stuff you know
post #75 of 118
But apparently not as dangerous as galbanum, in my case!
post #76 of 118
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Sorry it’s taken so long to get back to this, but I’ve added another batch of entries this morning. These all come from the list of Prohibited standards:

I’ve added Acetyl isovaleryl; Allyl heptine carbonate; Allyl isothiocyanate; Amylcyclopentenone; Anisylidene acetone and Asarone

Of these Asarone is of particular note because it is one of those where there is what amounts to a specification standard, hidden in the Prohibition standard - you do begin to wonder if IFRA do this sort of thing in the hope of catching out an unsuspecting perfumer - anyway the essence of it is this:

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cis- and trans-Asarone as such should not be used as fragrance ingredients; essential oils containing cis- or trans-asarone (e.g. calamus oils) should not be used at a level such that the total concentration of cis- and trans-asarone exceeds 0.01% in consumer products.

To reflect this I’ve marked Asarone as being subject to a specification standard, even though there isn’t a separate standard and I’ve also asterisked it as being present in natural oils in the hope that will be enough to clue in anyone consulting the list in future that there is something special to look up.

There are quite a lot of prohibition standards still to go and several of them have specification aspects.

The world shall hear from me again!
post #77 of 118
just when i had started wondering,

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Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post

The world shall hear from me again!



great.
post #78 of 118
I thought I had posted this question before but I was wrong..
I wanted to know if those numbers refer to undiluted materials. For example a 100gr perfume can have a maximum of 0.2 grams of undiluted Lyral?
Thank you!
post #79 of 118
Thread Starter 
You did ask that question before in another thread and the answer is yes, that is correct.
post #80 of 118
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Originally Posted by gido View Post

just when i had started wondering,





great.

For the benefit of those not old enough to remember

Quote:
The world shall hear from me again!

comes from Fu Manchu, which I used to watch on Saturday morning cinema, when I was very young and decimalisation had not yet happened in Britain: the whole morning at the cinema cost sixpence as I remember and it was all B movies . . .
post #81 of 118
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In light of the recent attempts by Basenotes to imitate a yoyo, Ive decided to repeat the key information here in my own blog, which Im planning on doing with a number of the questions I find myself answering on here most often. Thats partly so that people (including me) can get at the information easily even when Basenotes is having a server moment but also because Ive been caught out a few too many times having typed in a long, complicated reply, only to find the site is gone or so slow that Ive lost the work before it posts.

In case you were worried though, I have no plans to stop responding here when its possible to do so. Ive felt decidedly bereft during the long, dark periods of Basenotes absence lately!

My blog is obviously affiliated with my commercial website, but it is quite separate from it and as its hosted by Google should be pretty robust. Its also unlikely ever to have anything approaching the traffic that Basenotes has to handle. Fingers crossed Im not tempting fate . . .
post #82 of 118
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Originally Posted by iivanita View Post

hello may i ask one dummy question since when these IFRA rules apply? from which year and month on? is it july 2010? so that i know how to use that in buying parfumes i still can find some produced 2009 and 2010 january....i suppose....
and for example would you recommend shalimar 2009 or new one from 2011? what materials changed? bergamot oil? thank you!

I meant to respond to this sooner, but lost track.

IFRA was established in 1973 and issued its first Code of Practice in that year. The organisation that does the testing on materials, the Research Institute for Fragrance Materials (RIFM) is older, having been established in 1966. The organisation which actually makes the decisions on what restrictions should be placed is REXPAN (RIFM Expert Panel) and IFRA implement their recommendations through the Standards that are the main subject of this thread.

The Code of Practice is now in its 46th amendment and covers 174 substances.
post #83 of 118
Thread Starter 
Ive just updated the OP to include Linalool - a rather important omission from the Specification Standards - the requirement on this one is complex, this is what it says:

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Linalool and natural products known to be rich in linalool, such as bois de rose, coriander or ho wood oil, should only be used when the level of peroxides is kept to the lowest practical level. It is recommended to add antioxidants at the time of production of the raw material. The addition of 0.1% BHT or alpha-tocopherol for example has shown great efficiency. The maximum peroxide level for products in use should be 20 millimoles per liter. The (hydro)peroxide content can be determined by using the FMA method.

Ive added the emphasis.
post #84 of 118
Hello, thanks to everyone for this forum's help. Being a newby wanting to try and sell little 10ml bottles of roll-on oil-based perfumes, I am wading through the treacle of well, stuff, trying to get cogent replies from chemists, suppliers etc so if I may ask a question or two and also ask for forgiveness for the basic nature of them..
If one is slightly over IFRA 'guides', let's say you use enough Cinnamon Leaf EO to take the Eugenol content to 1%, the idea of an allergen warning on the label is fine, but what do you do about that all-important safety assessment you ain't gonna pass? Wouldn't you be breaking the EU law, or would an assessment just point out the allergen levels as needing a warning?

How about cunningly marketing your perfume oil as not for skin, but for clothes and the like, with reference to why you are not able to state it's safe for skin together with any allergen warnings.

I originally posted a question that I've now removed. I now know the percentage of EO mix one chemist will give a (reasonably-priced) safety assessment for, namely 7.5% in a base, with further restrictions on the various oils.

Love and peace to all
post #85 of 118
OK, I'm going to have to ask this. After long hours searching, I just can't fine this info and if anyone can help I'd be grateful. I have looked and downloaded so many irrelevant documents from IFRA's ridiculously opaque site only to find no answer. I have a spreadsheet with some info; the 47th amendment thing and can find info for the restricted, banned and the like but I would like to know how much EO is recommended to put in a mix. How much Cedar Atlas, etc. Those that are not really flagged up as allergen-rich and likely to cause serious boils to erupt; the 'safe' oils. Where do I look? I would like to know the percentages regarded as 'legal'.

Anyone?
post #86 of 118
Thread Starter 
I'm afraid there isn't anywhere were you can look that up as such because the amount of any natural material that can be used in a fragrance and remain compliant, depends on the amount of restricted components it contains.

So for example if you use clove bud oil that contains 90% eugenol, then you need to calculate the amount of eugenol you are adding when you add that oil, combine that with any other sources of eugenol in your formula (such as nutmeg oil for example) and ensure that the total eugenol from all sources combined does not exceed 0.5%.

You can help yourself to identify which materials may require these calculations by looking at the Safety in use tab on The Good Scents Company pages (I've linked to the one for Clove bud oil as an example), there you will see that clove bud oil contains all these restricted materials:

benzaldehyde Max. Found: <0.10 % and Reason: Sensitization
benzyl alcohol Max. Found: <0.80 % and Reason: Sensitization
eugenol Max. Found: <92.00 % and Reason: Sensitization
iso eugenol Max. Found: <1.10 % and Reason: Sensitization
farnesol Max. Found: <2.00 % and Reason: Sensitization
methyl eugenol Max. Found: trace to <0.10 % and Reason: Potential carcinogenic activity in animals

So you have to do that calculation for each of those materials to ensure you are compliant, not forgetting that in each case there may be other materials in your formula that also contain some of these same materials, thus reducing the amount of clove bud that you can use.
post #87 of 118
Thank you so much Chris,

This is exactly what I was looking for. The IFRA site and this should do me.

So, many thanks.
post #88 of 118
Chris always has a solution
Anyway, check the good scent company and make your calculations, but be aware that you can find slightly different essential oils depending on the supplier. Just to be safe, consider always a margin of error and chose to put a little less instead of a little more. If you want to be 100% sure, require GC-MS reports to your suppliers for every raw material, and perhaps have your final product analysed to a complete check up.
post #89 of 118
Thank you,

This is very much where I am. I needed the data for EO's to make an assessment of their allergen levels and recommended percentage levels but found the IFRA site very difficult. I was going to factor in a good level of tolerance.

The problem is not so much getting the figures right, (difficult enough) it's getting someone to check them and give the OK without wanting a huge sum of money. Micro-business sums me up very well.

Thank you so much for this help, both you and Chris.
post #90 of 118
There's something I don't completely get about IFRA rules: I saw in their site the list of ingredients that they officially state are used in fragrance industry. Well, I understand that any ingredient not present in that list (and neither in standards, restrictions and prohibitions) is formally IFRA prohibited, am I right?
post #91 of 118
Now that we are up again, anyone has infos about my question?
post #92 of 118
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Originally Posted by otocione View Post

There's something I don't completely get about IFRA rules: I saw in their site the list of ingredients that they officially state are used in fragrance industry. Well, I understand that any ingredient not present in that list (and neither in standards, restrictions and prohibitions) is formally IFRA prohibited, am I right?

No, that's not what it means. A material is only prohibited when there is an IFRA Prohibition Standard that says so (though beware of materials that contain a prohibited substance).

The list of materials included in fragrances comes from a survey of manufacturers (their own members only) that IFRA conducts periodically. It is published for information and used to guide their research into the effects of ingredients. The inclusion or exclusion of something from that list does not imply any approval or restriction on its use.
post #93 of 118
Oh great, so if I find on the good scents company a chemical which I'd like to use and it's not in the IFRA list, I can still use it, right?
post #94 of 118
Thread Starter 
Yes, provided that it does not contain anything prohibited: you should be fine with single molecules but check for mixtures and naturals.
post #95 of 118
Yes that's clear, I meant just single molecules.
Thanks Chris
post #96 of 118
Thread Starter 
The following list is a useful reference, I'm putting it here because it often comes up in the context of discussion about the IFRA rules, and indeed is often laid at their door: wrongly as it has nothing to do with them at all. It is the list of items required by the EU Cosmetics Directive to be listed on the label of any fragrance that contains more than 0.001% (the threshold is 0.01% of the finished product for wash-off products such as shower gel). This regulation was incorporated into UK law as part of the 2008 Cosmetics Regulations, Schedule 4 and as such has been in force for some years.

As a result of this requirement many brands required re-formulation of fragrances in order to avoid putting these things on the label - particularly those with long, difficult chemical names, which seem to lead certain groups of consumers to assume something is poisonous (obviously nonsense, but the power of fear is substantial). Anyway here is the full list of what is often referred to as 'the 26 ingredients'. Notice that the majority of these appear in nature as components of essential oils, absolutes and other extracts from plants. Also notice that no animal derived ingredients are included:

Amyl cinnamal (CAS No 122-40-7)

Benzyl alcohol (CAS No 100-51-6)

Cinnamyl alcohol (CAS No 104-54-1)

Citral (CAS No 5392-40-5)

Eugenol (CAS No 97-53-0)

Hydroxy-citronellal (CAS No 107-75-5)

Isoeugenol (CAS No 97-54-1)

Amyl cinnamyl alcohol (CAS No 101-85-9)

Benzyl salicylate (CAS No 118-58-1)

Cinnamal (CAS No 104-55-2)

Coumarin (CAS No 91-64-5)

Geraniol (CAS No 106-24-1)

Hydroxy-methylpentylcyclohexenecarboxaldehyde (CAS No 31906-04-4)

Anisyl alcohol (CAS No 105-13-5)

Benzyl cinnamate (CAS No 103-41-3)

Farnesol (CAS No 4602-84-0)

2-(4-tert-Butylbenzyl) propionaldehyde (CAS No 80-54-6)

Linalool (CAS No 78-70-6)

Benzyl benzoate (CAS No 120-51-4)

Citronellol (CAS No 106-22-9)

Hexylcinnam-aldehyde (CAS No 101-86-0)

d-Limonene (CAS No 5989-27-5)

Methyl heptin carbonate (CAS No 111-12-6)

3-Methyl-4-(2,6,6-tri-methyl-2-cyclohexen-1-yl)-3-buten-2-one (CAS No 127-51-5)

Oak moss extract (CAS No 90028-68-5)

Tree moss extract (CAS No 90028-67-4)

My blog now has a post covering The 26 Ingredients with the above information plus some extra details and a few more links.
post #97 of 118
Beginner alert:

Does this mean that the use of certain essential oils at certain concentrations can offend the IFRA standards?
post #98 of 118
Quote:
Originally Posted by saypo View Post

Does this mean that the use of certain essential oils at certain concentrations can offend the IFRA standards?

indeed. quite a few oils contain one (or more) of the listed molecules.
post #99 of 118
How would a novice, for example, know whether his or her mix of essential oils and base offended IFRA?
post #100 of 118
Thread Starter 
That's what this thread is all about: you have to know what's in your oils and how much, what is restricted or prohibited and what the restrictions are and add it all up.

It's extremely complicated and unfortunately there is no easy answer.

On the other hand unless you are going to sell your mix of essential oils, you don't have to comply with the standards.
post #101 of 118
Out of curiosity, if I did want to sell, what is the process? Pay for a test to determine molecular composition by percentage?

Does one need be an IFRA member to sell into retail?
post #102 of 118
Thread Starter 
In principle there is no reason that you couldn't have your fragrance analysed for compliance (though it would be very expensive) but that isn't how it is normally done. The usual method is to learn the rules and ensure compliance yourself (if you are an indie like me) or use some software to work on your formula (if you are a little bit bigger) or if you work for one of the big houses there will be an entire Department ensuring compliance, not just with IFRA but with legal restrictions in all the territories in which you sell.

You don't have to be an IFRA member to sell fragrance and most independents are not. If you are a member compliance is compulsory, if you are not it isn't. Though in practice you couldn't get insurance for product liability if you didn't comply for retail products.
post #103 of 118
What is involved in "learning the rules," as you say? I guess the concern is knowing that it is reasonably safe for public consumption?

The mere existence of the IFRA list is frightening in that respect, because the thought is that there is some danger to non-compliance, and the barrier to entry seems a little daunting, although maybe it is not...?
post #104 of 118
I'm a little surprised to see musk ambrette is banned, because I had thought that it was common in frags. In trying to figure out what ingredients bother me, I thought that was the one, but seeing it's banned makes me think it's probably not one of those ingredients. Does anyone happen to know when that prohibition happened?
post #105 of 118
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saypo View Post

What is involved in "learning the rules," as you say? I guess the concern is knowing that it is reasonably safe for public consumption?

The mere existence of the IFRA list is frightening in that respect, because the thought is that there is some danger to non-compliance, and the barrier to entry seems a little daunting, although maybe it is not...?

The barrier to entry is indeed quite high, some would argue set that way by IFRA quite deliberately to help protect the vested interests of it's (mostly big corporate) members, though there is also a compelling argument that IFRA is fighting a rearguard action against (mainly) EU legislators, who are in turn driven by reactionary interest groups with a poor understanding of the science involved.

Whatever you believe about the causes it's by no means impossible to get to grips with: start with the summary at the beginning of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Kaelee View Post

I'm a little surprised to see musk ambrette is banned, because I had thought that it was common in frags. In trying to figure out what ingredients bother me, I thought that was the one, but seeing it's banned makes me think it's probably not one of those ingredients. Does anyone happen to know when that prohibition happened?

Musk ambrette was a commonly used aroma chemical until the 70s but don't confuse it with the ambrette seeds (still commonly used by natural perfumers) or ambrettolide (the musk in ambrette seeds, more commonly used as a synthetic and one of the finest musks available to modern perfumers). Musk ambrette is not known in nature and was found to have both neurotoxic and photosensitising properties: hence the prohibition from the late 70s / early 80s onwards.
post #106 of 118
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post

Musk ambrette was a commonly used aroma chemical until the 70s but don't confuse it with the ambrette seeds (still commonly used by natural perfumers) or ambrettolide (the musk in ambrette seeds, more commonly used as a synthetic and one of the finest musks available to modern perfumers). Musk ambrette is not known in nature and was found to have both neurotoxic and photosensitising properties: hence the prohibition from the late 70s / early 80s onwards.

Hey, that was confusing me for sure. Thanks for clearing that up, Chris!
post #107 of 118
[QUOTE]Dear Mr. Bartlett,
I've been working with niche fragrances for almost a year. I was always 'into' perfume since I was 7 and filched a few sprays from my Aunt Lucille's Evening in Paris. I was hooked. Since then, I've bought Men's as well as Women's Niche fragrances for my shoppe. I did give the buyers 1/5-1/2 of 1 ml of essential oils, with warnings, and a quantity of Certified Organic Cold-Pressed Argan Oi to mix with the essentials. Some of the essential oils I'd already mixed with the Argan Oil. I discontinued that practice of giving the essential oils when a friend warned me of FDA restrictions, or the possible harm they might cause. Having so much of the essential oils and extracts, plus fragrance oils, I decided to make a Vetiver fragrance oil- HOLIDAY VETIVER 2012 BY PALCHEMII. The quantity produced is less than one-half pint. The Argan Oil was used for the bulk of the fragrance oil. Pure coffee, cacao, and vanilla concentrates, fragrance oils, essential oils, plus some Eau de parfums. Some of the aforementioned have the ingredients on the' list'. Would that small amount concocted be of any interest to IFRA?
Thank you for your diligence , fortitude and generousity of spirit on behalf of BASENOTES et al.
Happy Holiday & Happy 2013!
Pattease [QUOTE]
post #108 of 118
Thread Starter 
I'm sure that small an amount would be of no interest to IFRA at all: the risk is that someone has a reaction and sues - you are going to have trouble defending the case if you can't say that you complied with internationally recognised standards.

If you are giving it away to friends & family that's a very small risk however.
post #109 of 118
Quote:
That's what this thread is all about: you have to know what's in your oils and how much, what is restricted or prohibited and what the restrictions are and add it all up.

It's extremely complicated and unfortunately there is no easy answer.

On the other hand unless you are going to sell your mix of essential oils, you don't have to comply with the standards.

Chris,
Gargantuan task. Much appreciated. I took the liberty of playing with the list a little.


If you have a few minutes.would you check the numbers for me? It will help the DIY crowd.
I don't sell perfumes, mine are strictly for personal use and enjoyment. Others also enjoy creating scents and your blog has been a wonderful source of information. That spread sheet , should in theory, make it easier.
post #110 of 118
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the enormous amount of information. My question is this: What if one ignores the regulations and just puts a disclaimer on the bottle? Explain how they may cause a rash or whatever is required. It seems a pity that so much good stuff is prohibited now. So if I put a little costus root in something, can I get by with it?
post #111 of 118
Thread Starter 
You are free to do that James, as long as you are not an IFRA member. However in practice that's difficult to sustain in the EU because of the need for safety assessments and in the US because you are likely to be sued and defending the case when you have not abided by the internationally recognised safety standards is going to be very difficult to say the least.
post #112 of 118
Thanks Chris. I obviously need to know a lot more about this. Is it necessary to become an IFRA member? Is it difficult?
post #113 of 118
Thread Starter 
It isn't necessary, no. I'm not a member (because I want to retain the ability to produce a non-compliant blend for bespoke customers who request it, which I would have to give up as a member).

The advantage of membership is you get substantial advance notice of changes to the standards (so members are already working to the 47th amendment which hasn't yet been published).

The hard part is doing the calculations really.
post #114 of 118
Thanks Chris. I'll start boning up on the regs.
post #115 of 118
Thank you for the valuable information.
post #116 of 118
If one want to sell perfume without IFRA rules, the only way to be protected by the law is perhaps to have the client sign a discharge, or somthing like that. Plus, the list of allergens written on the bottle or packaging.
post #117 of 118
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Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post

The advantage of membership is you get substantial advance notice of changes to the standards (so members are already working to the 47th amendment which hasn't yet been published).

Are the members officially allowed to pass on that information to non-members? Not that it would matter much, I guess. I'm just curious. If it is forbidden by their rules, I wonder if there's a way to legally attack them.
post #118 of 118
Thread Starter 
It's been a long time since I updated this but I've just added notes on the Specification Standards for Limonene (present in citrus oils, mints and tea tree oils) and Musk Ketone (a nitro-musk that although not prohibited is now virtually unused in commercial perfumery).

- - - Updated - - -

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Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post

Are the members officially allowed to pass on that information to non-members? Not that it would matter much, I guess. I'm just curious. If it is forbidden by their rules, I wonder if there's a way to legally attack them.

I don't believe there is any specific prohibition on their doing so, however it is a little bit like reading someone else's book over their shoulder - the book owner generally feels they are being cheated!
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