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New Haarlem -- Most Overrated Fragrance

post #1 of 143
3/6/12 at 11:40pm
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I am just stunned.

Stunned at just how overrated and bad this fragrance is, and perplexed at the frag heads and reviews it's received here and among the afore mentioned frag aficionados.

I got New Haarlem in the mail today and extremely disappointed. It just smells cheap and terrible- exactly like a $5 meal of IHOP pancakes loaded with maple syrup, or creme brulee, or custard. It does not smell like class, like Tobacco Vanille, which I own.

NH is showered with positive reviews and it's gourmand quality, and I imagined something like TV. What I got out of it was terrible, terrible, terrible. I do not want to smell like maple syrup. I can just buy a bottle of maple syrup and smell like NH.

I simply cannot FATHOM how anyone can appreciate this "fragrance." My Trader Joe's Oatmeal and Honey soap, costing all of $1.69, is heavenly compared to the syrupy, dirty smell of NH. (I would definitely buy a scent that smelled like the TJ Oatmeal and Honey soap, now that's a gourmand smell I like) It is like there's some huge joke going on.

I LOVE TV, I own L'Air Du Desert Marocain, and love the fresh Creed scents ( Aventus , SMW, MI). The only reaction you can get from NH is ... 'Did you eat pancakes ?'

Question(s) to NH owners or supporters :

1) Why not just buy a bottle of maple syrup ?

2) Why do you want to smell like pancakes ? The scent is a turn-off, people will think you forgot to wash your hands.

3) What do you use it for ? The smell itself is crap. Doesn't matter how cold it is, it just smells like cheap syrup.

4) Is there some kind of Reality Distortion Field (RDF) I'm unaware of, akin to the Apple RDF ? Do you know what a pancake and syrup tastes like ?

Lessons learned ? Try before you buy. Second lesson - Read the negative reviews carefully and take note of them.

N.B -- Gave the bottle to my cousin, not for sale.
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post #2 of 143
3/6/12 at 11:58pm
I agree that it's overrated, to me it just kind of smells like coffee and chocolate. But you need to calm down lol. You kind of just jumped to the conclusion that everyone else is dumb and you're the only smart one. Not trying to put you down at all, but you could've just said "New Haarlem is overrated, what does everyone else think".
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post #3 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:00am
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I don't get any coffee out of it.

I am going to go buy a few brands of maple syrup at Ralph's and say which one it smells closest to.
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post #4 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:02am
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I agree that it's overrated, to me it just kind of smells like coffee and chocolate. But you need to calm down lol. You kind of just jumped to the conclusion that everyone else is dumb and you're the only smart one. Not trying to put you down at all, but you could've just said "New Haarlem is overrated, what does everyone else think".

If i just said that, it'd be kind of boring.

I like debate and I am furious with every individual who gave it a positive review. I would have choice words and give mean looks to anyone involved in hyping this maple syrup brand .

Bond No 9 "New Maple Syrup"
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post #5 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:05am
You are "furious" with people who gave it a positive review???
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post #6 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:07am
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I reckon the reviews were mostly made by Bond employees or an outside contracted agency hired by Bond to hype the product online.

I can still smell it on my hand. Need to take a shower and put on some Tobacco Vanille.
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post #7 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:08am
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Originally Posted by icanzapyou View Post

I agree that it's overrated, to me it just kind of smells like coffee and chocolate. But you need to calm down lol. You kind of just jumped to the conclusion that everyone else is dumb and you're the only smart one. Not trying to put you down at all, but you could've just said "New Haarlem is overrated, what does everyone else think".

Nah, I think strong opinions are good, even if their negative. That's how he feels, why should he moderate what he says - is the fragrance going to be offended? If any people are offended by someone not liking a fragrance you like.. well, they simply need to grow a thicker skin, or better yet, respond with rebuttals to the complaints.

I have to agree that I don't get the love for this scent at all. It's a sweet gourmand, but it's so crudely obvious with its intentions. It's a fragrance that 'gives it up' on the first date. Enjoyable, in some superficial way I guess, but hard to respect.
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post #8 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by themoogle View Post

If i just said that, it'd be kind of boring.

I like debate and I am furious with every individual who gave it a positive review. I would have choice words and give mean looks to anyone involved in hyping this maple syrup brand .

Bond No 9 "New Maple Syrup"

I stand by what I said in my previous post, but that bolded bit above is a bit over the top, though. You should be furious for yourself for blind buying it, perhaps. People like what they like and it's not like they were out to intentionally deceive you.
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post #9 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:12am
OP has zero taste. Go back to Bleu!
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post #10 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:14am
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People were talking about a coffee element to it, but there is no coffee smell in it at all.

Does NOT smell like a 'coffee shop' like some reviewers claim.
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post #11 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:15am
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Originally Posted by MrAndySais View Post

OP has zero taste. Go back to Bleu!

That's interesting, because I own 3 & 5 (TV and L'Air) of your top 16 and enjoy them.

Thus .. ergo ... if I have no taste ... (complete the sentence)

Also, you must not have maple syrup in Germany .. hence, new olfactory experience.
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post #12 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:18am
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Nah, I think strong opinions are good, even if their negative. That's how he feels, why should he moderate what he says - is the fragrance going to be offended? If any people are offended by someone not liking a fragrance you like.. well, they simply need to grow a thicker skin, or better yet, respond with rebuttals to the complaints.

I have to agree that I don't get the love for this scent at all. It's a sweet gourmand, but it's so crudely obvious with its intentions. It's a fragrance that 'gives it up' on the first date. Enjoyable, in some superficial way I guess, but hard to respect.

No totally I agree that he can say whatever he wants, but tbh I'm a little surprised anyone would be so incensed by this. But hey, freedom of speech, Amurica man
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post #13 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:19am
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You do not see why someone would be incensed at a 120 buck cologne smelling like 3 buck maple syrup ?

sheesh.
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post #14 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:22am
I say to each of his own. I personally haven't smelled NH but from the association with Rochas Man, I don't think I will like it. Fragrances are very subjective and my only advice for you is do not believe the hype and buy blind, especially expensive niche
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post #15 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:27am
Well.....ummmmm....Welcome to Basenotes!!
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post #16 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:32am


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All kidding aside - Don't blind buy (on the basis of reviews) if you're going to overreact like this.
I'm sure there are some perfumes that have high ratings that you don't like. Why should it be any different for NH?
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post #17 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:36am
Obvious troll is obvious
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post #18 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:36am
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Come at me breh.

Real talk ... a lot of the reviews are just inaccurate and plain deceptive.

I blind bought Aventus, TV, and L'Air, all slam dunks and good to go. I just sent some death threats to hiro and some Youtube guys hyping NH (the Bronx dude?) and ordered lots of pizza to their homes.
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post #19 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:37am
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I'm not trolling, that's my actual opinion.

Wit and dry humor does not equate to troll.
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post #20 of 143
3/7/12 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by themoogle View Post

Real talk ... a lot of the reviews are just inaccurate and plain deceptive.

Well, scents are very subjective, IMO. People can easily have different views on the same fragrance. You say a lot of reviews/comments are inaccurate -- why is yours "better" or more accurate?

In the end, stats will prevail - if the majority says that they liked it and that it smelled like "coffee", am I more likely to believe the minority who said it didn't? Probably not.
Does this mean I'll undoubtedly "like" the smell, and get coffee out of it? No, because stats don't mean anything on the individual level. It's just a probability.

Don't blind buy, if you can't handle the disappointment.
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post #21 of 143
3/7/12 at 1:03am
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You do not see why someone would be incensed at a 120 buck cologne smelling like 3 buck maple syrup ?

sheesh.

Well no man but I feel like it's a given that this is your opinion and that's it. I agree with you in a lot of ways but I don't feel the need to be a raging asshole about it (no offense), nor do I put down other people who disagree. Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that you're expressing your opinions. Anyway peace out.
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post #22 of 143
3/7/12 at 1:09am
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I honestly am not putting anyone down, no one even came here and explained why they like the scent.

I am really just trying to figure out what anyone can see in it. It doesn't even smell like a fragrance at all.

Even $20 cheap scents, 90% alcohol and synthetic as hell, as least smell more like fragrances.

I don't consider the smell of maple syrup a fragrance ... would you wear a cologne that smells like curry ?

I'll eat pancakes and syrup once every blue moon, and curry more often, but I don't want to SMELL like it, just eat it.
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post #23 of 143
3/7/12 at 1:51am
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would you wear a cologne that smells like curry ?

You should try Fareb from Huitième Art.

Except that, i really don't like New Haarlem.
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post #24 of 143
3/7/12 at 2:04am
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I reckon the reviews were mostly made by Bond employees or an outside contracted agency hired by Bond to hype the product online.

I can still smell it on my hand. Need to take a shower and put on some Tobacco Vanille.

LOL. Never knew that I was subconsciously working for Bond No 9. Perhaps I should ask for a pay rise.

Like what others have said, don't blind buy if you can't handle the disappointment. There are numerous opportunities to buy a split or a sample vial either from Basenotes Sales forum, or from reputable online shops. First In Fragrance is one such place.

And erm, welcome to Basenotes lol.
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post #25 of 143
3/7/12 at 2:35am
I find Rochas Man to be more to my taste than New Haarlem.
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post #26 of 143
3/7/12 at 2:39am
Same for me.
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post #27 of 143
3/7/12 at 2:45am
Another overrated American fragrance on Basenotes (Dirty English, Michael for men, Safari, Tommy Girl..), you don't say? *takes troll hat off*
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post #28 of 143
3/7/12 at 2:57am
I picked up a sample and thought it was overrated too, I liked it but didn't care enough for it to buy a whole bottle. That was until I saw a 50ml bottle at bargain price which I couldn't turn down; once I'd worn it a few times I grew to love it, and I've received nothing but compliments from those around me, one woman in particular going crazy for it. Not my favourite fragrance, but a very good scent nonetheless.
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post #29 of 143
3/7/12 at 3:04am
Some people prefer unbalanced to balanced frags, and vice versa. Some people like sweet frags but not dry ones, and vice versa. It's important to figure out what you like and don't (by sampling) before you spend a lot, unless you're rich and don't care. There is "hype" for certain frags here at BN, but that's to be expected, as certain frags are the "stars" for at least a while, just like a reality show can start with "nobodies" and some of them become "celebrities." I tend to blame myself rather than others in this kind of situation, saying myself, "I knew there was a lot of hype over this one, and it may not be anything special." When you think like that, the world is a let less frustrating place! Also, I've posted about NH having that lavender/gourmand quality that I find really unappealing, so don't say you everyone here said it's great. LOL.
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post #30 of 143
3/7/12 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by themoogle View Post

I'm not trolling, that's my actual opinion.

Wit and dry humor does not equate to troll.

Nothing witty or humorous about it. More like a childish anger fit.
People perceive the notes of a fragrance differently and it will always be a personal and subjective experience to smell a fragrance.
Instead of being angry at the reviewers, you should look inwards since you bought without sampling. Blind buying is hit and miss, and will always carry a risk. You have to accept and live with the risk or stop blind buying.

I blind buy a lot myself and if I do not like the fragrance - c'est la vie. I move on and bash myself a bit for blind buying since I TOOK THE RISK. That's my opinion anyway.
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post #31 of 143
3/7/12 at 3:44am
This scent seems to have its avid fans and detractors. I personally do not like this scent but understand and respect those who do.
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post #32 of 143
3/7/12 at 3:52am
New Harlem bored the pants off me and since I can't leave my apartment without my pants, I simply gave up on it.
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post #33 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:08am
I think NH is a good scent, but to much lavander in it for me. Oh yeah, this is not gourmand
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post #34 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:12am
Most overated? haha. Its all a matter of opinion and everyone has their own. Out of the most hyped up scents on basenotes, I do like pure malt, DHI. New haarlem to me is pretty good because I like sweet scents. LIDGE is unique and i like it somewhat especially drydown. Still need to try aventus but musc ravageur to me doesnt smell anything close to being pleasant.
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post #35 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:17am
New Haarlem smells awesome! You may have a fake, or your skin does not react well with it. Why would you imagine something that smelled like TV, TV is a tobacco scent?!? You are making TV to be this remarkable scent. New Haarlem receives a ton of complements among women, while TV does not. If you only smell syrup and no coffee, you may have a bad nose.

Now on the other hand L'Air Du Desert Marocain and SMW can be considered Overrated. Both are quite boring to me
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post #36 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:20am
To each his own. I think TV smells cheap and is way way overrated. I had a 5ml sample for about 3-4 years and only used 1 ml. Also you like Aventus and to me it smells cheap, synthetic, and linear. Keep in mind Creed is my favorite house.

As for New Haarlem, I think it is great. I do not get the maple syrup vibe BUT most reviews I have read states that their is that strong maple syrup smell so you should have known.

Also I do believe that on this forum, there are scents that get overhyped. Rule of thumb is to sample and DO NOT BLIND BUY. I usually don't blind buy unless it is $20 or less which NH is not but I guess if you have the money, it doesn't matter.
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post #37 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:20am
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I ordered it from fragrancenet, and with all the embossed packaging and the bottle, this is no fake.
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post #38 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:39am
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I ordered it from fragrancenet, and with all the embossed packaging and the bottle, this is no fake.

Why would you blind buy a Niche fragrance based on reviews only? Why not buy a $3 dollar sample first? Seems like a waste of money to be complaining about a popular scent that you could have sampled. ALWAYS SAMPLE BEFORE YOU RANT!
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post #39 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:41am
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Lesson learned.

$100 maple syrup.
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post #40 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:42am
always sample niche... because of the price and that they are not safe scents like most designers
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post #41 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:48am
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I reckon the reviews were mostly made by Bond employees or an outside contracted agency hired by Bond to hype the product online.

That seems more than a bit far-fetched and I would advise you to not make accusations like that unless you have proof to support the claim.

I dislike many well-loved fragrances here on the board and some I love most here dislike. I think it is important to understand that people have different tastes and we need to respect their opinions even if we don't agree all the time, as discussing things in a reasonable and respectful manner is what makes this board so fun. Your OP is way over-the-top, IMO (and no, I am not a New Haarlem fan for what its worth).
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post #42 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:51am
Hm, losing your cool is always pretty ridiculous. Why would you blind buy such an expensive fragrance based solely on other people's opinions? Sorry but that's plain dumb, so if you've got to whine about it, do yourself a favor and bite your lip.
That said, I don't like New Haarlem much either. It's too sweet, siroupy and simple IMO. Happy I only bought a small decant of it and not a whole bottle, lol!
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post #43 of 143
3/7/12 at 4:53am
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Lesson learned.

$100 maple syrup.

Creating a long lasting scent that smells like Natural Maple Syrup is pretty hard to do. And yes, people do want to smell like maple syrup, coffee, soap, chocolate, vanilla, lavender, grass, leather, tobacco, violet, cake, iris, grapefruit, lemon! You name an ingredient and people WANT to smell like it! If that wasn't the case, designers would not make fragrances. I would like to smell like Pineapple upside-cake, but I haven't found a scent that smells like it. Guerlain Spirituese Double Vanille is $250 Vanilla Extract, and it is quite popular. What is your point?
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post #44 of 143
3/7/12 at 5:41am
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I am just stunned.

Stunned at just how overrated and bad this fragrance is, and perplexed at the frag heads and reviews it's received here and among the afore mentioned frag aficionados.

I got New Haarlem in the mail today and extremely disappointed. It just smells cheap and terrible- exactly like a $5 meal of IHOP pancakes loaded with maple syrup, or creme brulee, or custard. It does not smell like class, like Tobacco Vanille, which I own.

NH is showered with positive reviews and it's gourmand quality, and I imagined something like TV. What I got out of it was terrible, terrible, terrible. I do not want to smell like maple syrup. I can just buy a bottle of maple syrup and smell like NH.

I simply cannot FATHOM how anyone can appreciate this "fragrance." My Trader Joe's Oatmeal and Honey soap, costing all of $1.69, is heavenly compared to the syrupy, dirty smell of NH. (I would definitely buy a scent that smelled like the TJ Oatmeal and Honey soap, now that's a gourmand smell I like) It is like there's some huge joke going on.

I LOVE TV, I own L'Air Du Desert Marocain, and love the fresh Creed scents ( Aventus , SMW, MI). The only reaction you can get from NH is ... 'Did you eat pancakes ?'

Question(s) to NH owners or supporters :

1) Why not just buy a bottle of maple syrup ?

2) Why do you want to smell like pancakes ? The scent is a turn-off, people will think you forgot to wash your hands.

3) What do you use it for ? The smell itself is crap. Doesn't matter how cold it is, it just smells like cheap syrup.

4) Is there some kind of Reality Distortion Field (RDF) I'm unaware of, akin to the Apple RDF ? Do you know what a pancake and syrup tastes like ?

Lessons learned ? Try before you buy. Second lesson - Read the negative reviews carefully and take note of them.

N.B -- Gave the bottle to my cousin, not for sale.

Love your passion. I enjoyed reading your perspective. I don't agree with you though. I was blown away with New Haarlem the first time I smelled it. I don't get any maple syrup from it. Annick Goutal's Sables is maple syrup to my nose.

Maple syrup notes usually comes from immortelle, not coffee, vanilla and patchouli.

New Haarlem might be slightly overrated here, but still good juice IMO.
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post #45 of 143
3/7/12 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by themoogle View Post

Lessons learned ? Try before you buy. Second lesson - Read the negative reviews carefully and take note of them.

Lol I've never blind bought a fragrance, and negative and neutral reviews are the best.

Neutral and negative reviews give different perspectives of a fragrance than positive reviews. Most positive reviews are exactly the same.

Always read the negative reviews as well.
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post #46 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:15am
Successful troll is successful.
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post #47 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by themoogle View Post

I am just stunned.

Question(s) to NH owners or supporters :

1) Why not just buy a bottle of maple syrup ?

2) Why do you want to smell like pancakes ? The scent is a turn-off, people will think you forgot to wash your hands.

3) What do you use it for ? The smell itself is crap. Doesn't matter how cold it is, it just smells like cheap syrup.

4) Is there some kind of Reality Distortion Field (RDF) I'm unaware of, akin to the Apple RDF ? Do you know what a pancake and syrup tastes like ?

Lessons learned ? Try before you buy. Second lesson - Read the negative reviews carefully and take note of them.

N.B -- Gave the bottle to my cousin, not for sale.


1) Cause I'm Canadian, and I know what maple syrup actually smells like.

2) Why the hell do you want to smell like a Moroccan Desert?

3) I use it for nights out, where the women absolutely love it. It doesn't smell remotely cheap. No one asked you "did you eat pancakes" when you wore it, you just made that up.

4) Have fun restarting your Windows Operating System every 5 minutes.

Yeah, lessons learned, you f--ked up and blind bought an expensive fragrance. Your bad. Took out your anger on a messageboard. Your bad. Nice of you to buy your cousin an expensive bottle though. Your bad. (again)
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post #48 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:17am
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I posted here before but somehow couldn't find my post. Anyway, I'll just rewrite what I posted: I like sweet scents, so out of sheer curiousity, I tested New Haarlem when I was in Bloomigdales and learned that it is too sweet and too daring for me. I'll stick with my current gourmands like Rochas Man, Play Intense, etc..
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post #49 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:23am
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jamwires:

I can see women liking it ... of the horizontally expanded kind.
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post #50 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:24am
I love NH. It was a great blind buy for me. There are some frags that people like, but don't necessary want to smell like. I also hear differing opinions of Ambre Narguile, which I think is excellent, but some people just don't want to smell like cinnamon apple pie. NH also has far better longevity than Mrs. Butterworths. Also less sticky.
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post #51 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:26am
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Yeah I sampled this once when I was in London ( Bond No. 9 is hard to come across where I live) and I was very disappointed.

The three words which came to mind when I tried it on my skin were, "synthetic", "sticky" and "burnt".

I really enjoy coffee and pancake syrup ( both smell and taste!) but this just came across really cheap and synthetic to me...and cheap she is not!
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post #52 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:32am
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I honestly am not putting anyone down, no one even came here and explained why they like the scent.

I am really just trying to figure out what anyone can see in it. It doesn't even smell like a fragrance at all.

Even $20 cheap scents, 90% alcohol and synthetic as hell, as least smell more like fragrances.

I don't consider the smell of maple syrup a fragrance ... would you wear a cologne that smells like curry ?

I'll eat pancakes and syrup once every blue moon, and curry more often, but I don't want to SMELL like it, just eat it.

Is this the first gourmand frag you have tried or are there others you like? Maybe you just don't like that type of fragrance. I had the same reaction to A*men. I wasn't prepared for it and when I sprayed my hand I was kind of repulsed. Smelled like burnt sugar to me. I didn't think a fragrance should smell like that. Then came the drydown and I loved it. Bought a bottle within the week after I tried it.
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post #53 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:36am
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Is Tobacco Vanille considered gourmand ?

Love that, and just got it a week ago.

It projects class on my 6"5, 220 lb, 9% bodyfat frame.
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post #54 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:45am
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Is Tobacco Vanille considered gourmand ?

Love that, and just got it a week ago.

It projects class on my 6"5, 220 lb, 9% bodyfat frame.

What has that got to do with anything? With that statement you are projecting anything but class my friend.
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post #55 of 143
3/7/12 at 6:49am
Blind buy from an outfit like Bond -- jeez! I have never done that although I have purchased fragrances and then subsequently used them as room sprays. Rochas or TV over NH every time though. Bond are surprisingly generous with samples but you may have to purchase something first.
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post #56 of 143
3/7/12 at 7:02am
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I posted here before but somehow couldn't find my post. Anyway, I'll just rewrite what I posted: I like sweet scents, so out of sheer curiousity, I tested New Haarlem when I was in Bloomigdales and learned that it is too sweet and too daring for me. I'll stick with my current gourmands like Rochas Man, Play Intense, etc..

They don't sell Bond at Bloomingdales.
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post #57 of 143
3/7/12 at 7:04am
I find that it doesn't even smell like GOOD maple syrup. It smells like the cheap Mrs Butterworths stuff. it would be funny if they started selling it in a small Mrs Butterworths shaped bottle though.
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post #58 of 143
3/7/12 at 7:05am
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lol

I agree with you sir.
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post #59 of 143
3/7/12 at 7:11am
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Is Tobacco Vanille considered gourmand ?

Love that, and just got it a week ago.

It projects class on my 6"5, 220 lb, 9% bodyfat frame.



What the hell has that got to do with anything?
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post #60 of 143
3/7/12 at 7:14am
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My English teacher advised us to try to put as much detail into writing as concisely as possible, hence the description.
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