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post #61 of 237
Now I am debating with myself whether I should off ordering anything until "the dust settles" or whether very quickly the inventory will be depleted - as it will be lower than before because don't the two departing ones take 2/3rds with them ?

I have my eyes set on a sample set of Lorenzo Villerosi - Dilmun, Teint de Neige, others - order now ? Or wait until the prices go up and the business is in danger of going under...
post #62 of 237
You can order Villoresi samples from The Perfume Shoppe's sample program at http://www.theperfumeshoppe.com

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Originally Posted by Ursula View Post

Now I am debating with myself whether I should off ordering anything until "the dust settles" or whether very quickly the inventory will be depleted - as it will be lower than before because don't the two departing ones take 2/3rds with them ?

I have my eyes set on a sample set of Lorenzo Villerosi - Dilmun, Teint de Neige, others - order now ? Or wait until the prices go up and the business is in danger of going under...
post #63 of 237
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You can order Villoresi samples from The Perfume Shoppe's sample program at http://www.theperfumeshoppe.com

Thanks, Anthony, for the link. Ordering from them was a simple matter and I went for a sample set of 5 Villoresi scents. They seem to have 2 branches, one in Canada with Naz, and another one with two other ladies. All friendly faces. (I wonder whether those girls might be Basenotes members ??) Here is the link to the staff:

https://www.theperfumeshoppe.com/AboutUs.asp

It seems to be a fact of life that the falling out between the ladies of The Perfumed Court already has steered one of their previous customers to another source. The girl remaining at The Perfumed Court, Diane, certainly still has my support. There is nothing wrong with The Perfumed Court, my last order just arrived today.
post #64 of 237
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Originally Posted by heperd View Post

terrible name, terrible logo. another website where i will never buy a single sample.

My thoughts...these sample sites are way too expensive for me anyways.
post #65 of 237
TPC is incredibly expensive, but almost as offensive is the name Surrender to Chance!

But on a serious note, something seems shady and tacky about using TPC email address/facebook to promote a competitors company, regardless if it is comprised of people who splintered away from TPC. For some people including myself, business ethics do play an important role in deciding which companies get my hard earned money.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I must admit it that as a bystander it appears very strange to see now there are two brand new FBs, ThePerfumedCourt only has 35 followers yet Surrender to Chance, a company that doesnt even have a live website, has 450 followers. To me this comes off as highly shady.

The original Perfumed Court FB, with over 2,000 likes, seems to have quite a few promotions for Surrender to Chance and nary a mention about the new PerfumedCourt FB except from a comment by Patty hidden off to the side (as the new FB timeline design does).

To me, it appears the Surrender to Chance women had access to TPC email list and FB info and used this to their advantage to promote their new venture and forcing the sole TPC woman to start a 2nd/new FB since the Surrender to Chance ladies were running the original TPC FB.

Cliffnotes version: shady.
post #66 of 237
It's great that they're there for that rare time when I must try a perfume and cannot find it to test anywhere...but I've only done that twice. Too costly for me.
post #67 of 237
If the two departing girls did the remaining one an injustice, they will NEVER get my business.

The one remaining at TPC has my sympathy. My order from HER, and I know that by the location and name where the order was mailed out, was perfect, as always. The genuine item, in a dainty bag, with that little piece of candy, and a correct packing slip.

After all the hooplah dies down, only good prices, genuine items, and quality customer service will tilt the scale to the enterprise that deserves the business.
post #68 of 237
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Originally Posted by flouris View Post

TPC is incredibly expensive, but almost as offensive is the name Surrender to Chance!

But on a serious note, something seems shady and tacky about using TPC email address/facebook to promote a competitors company, regardless if it is comprised of people who splintered away from TPC. For some people including myself, business ethics do play an important role in deciding which companies get my hard earned money.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I must admit it that as a bystander it appears very strange to see now there are two brand new FBs, ThePerfumedCourt only has 35 followers yet Surrender to Chance, a company that doesnt even have a live website, has 450 followers. To me this comes off as highly shady.

The original Perfumed Court FB, with over 2,000 likes, seems to have quite a few promotions for Surrender to Chance and nary a mention about the new PerfumedCourt FB except from a comment by Patty hidden off to the side (as the new FB timeline design does).

To me, it appears the Surrender to Chance women had access to TPC email list and FB info and used this to their advantage to promote their new venture and forcing the sole TPC woman to start a 2nd/new FB since the Surrender to Chance ladies were running the original TPC FB.

Cliffnotes version: shady.

This IS very strange. I never ordered a decant, having various reservations about them, including high per ml. prices relative to a bottle, but looked at the Perfumed Court site a lot and was thinking about it for some things I would never wear very often that I couldn't get a 15 ml for.

Any thoughts about whether or not to hold off on decants for a bit longer?
post #69 of 237
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Originally Posted by flouris View Post

But on a serious note, something seems shady and tacky about using TPC email address/facebook to promote a competitors company, regardless if it is comprised of people who splintered away from TPC. For some people including myself, business ethics do play an important role in deciding which companies get my hard earned money.

I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I must admit it that as a bystander it appears very strange to see now there are two brand new FBs, ThePerfumedCourt only has 35 followers yet Surrender to Chance, a company that doesnt even have a live website, has 450 followers. To me this comes off as highly shady.

The original Perfumed Court FB, with over 2,000 likes, seems to have quite a few promotions for Surrender to Chance and nary a mention about the new PerfumedCourt FB except from a comment by Patty hidden off to the side (as the new FB timeline design does).

To me, it appears the Surrender to Chance women had access to TPC email list and FB info and used this to their advantage to promote their new venture and forcing the sole TPC woman to start a 2nd/new FB since the Surrender to Chance ladies were running the original TPC FB.

Whilst I know nothing about the inner workings and politics of TPC and StC, I imagine (should that be hope?!) that all this was done with everyone's full knowledge and consent. Personally I don't mind being contacted by the owners of StC via TPC's mailing list. The email I received was very polite and included a link so that I could immediately unsubscribe from their (StC's) mailing list.

I won't deny though that I am full of curiosity regarding the details of this split! I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I have been seething with curiosity ever since I got news of it. I must try not to be so interested in gossip...
post #70 of 237
You're right, until there is official word all we can do is speculate - but I can't ignore how bizarre it seems that Surrender to Chance, a business that isn't even in operation, has over 10 times the fans as TPC, a well known, reputable and often highly regarded service among the perfume community. That, plus the fact there are quite a few promotions for Surrender to Chance on the original TPC FB. furthermore, why was a 2nd TPC FB created unless there was a loss of access to the original, which now seems to only promote Surrender to Chance? Something just seems suspicious about it.
post #71 of 237
I just received my first order of samples from TPC, great packaging and very organized, the only downside is the price. I'm curious why the 2 other ladies decided to split? The name and logo for the new company are tacky and honesly, I dont think they'll be getting my money any time soon. Good luck to them though and I hope TPC continues what its doing, but lowering the price would be nice lol
post #72 of 237
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I just received my first order of samples from TPC, great packaging and very organized, the only downside is the price. I'm curious why the 2 other ladies decided to split? The name and logo for the new company are tacky and honesly, I dont think they'll be getting my money any time soon. Good luck to them though and I hope TPC continues what its doing, but lowering the price would be nice lol

Oh so many things cause business partners to split up. At lunch yesterday my boss was talking about execs who get out tape measures so they can compare the square footage of their offices. Any excuse serves a jealous huff...
post #73 of 237
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Originally Posted by Mimi Gardenia View Post

Although I loved TPC - I found the prices were getting too high for me . I hope to see some positive changes re. pricing with the new site.

This.

I don't care what a business calls itself, nor how tacky its logo is, and I doubt we'll ever know what all went on to cause the split, nor do I really care. (Aside from prurient curiosity, of course.) No doubt there are three sides, at least.

There's room for competition, IMO. I'll take my business to either or both group, depending on their service, inventory, and most especially price. Would love to see some pricing competition in this market.
post #74 of 237
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Originally Posted by Twitchly View Post

There's room for competition, IMO. I'll take my business to either or both group, depending on their service, inventory, and most especially price. Would love to see some pricing competition in this market.

Well said! Let's hope we see prices coming down as a result of this.
post #75 of 237
This is March with Perfume Posse, putting on my hip waders and my flame-proof suit. There was no coup, no hijacking -- what's up with that, multiple inflammatory posts from the same person? Patty and Lisa have been exploring this for months. Patty contacted me this winter about some thoughts for a new website. Now they're making it happen (with no involvement and absolutely no $ to me, I'm working elsewhere.) They're taking their business in a different direction, and Diane will still have TPC, and it's as simple, or as complicated, as that. For those who still have their panties in a bunch -- I'm old enough to remember when they *each* sold separately on eBay, until they got tossed off, unlike all the folks on there selling counterfeit designer purses. That was the genesis of TPC. You want to buy from TPC? Knock yourself out. You want to try something else? Surrender to Chance is Lisa and Patty. Same people, new name, whatever you think of it. Change happens. That's the story.
post #76 of 237
Just seems odd that the original TPC FB page is advertising for the new company instead meanwhile there's now a 2nd TPC fb page where it seems the proprietor is actually posting at now. Why would she leave her 2,000 followers for a paltry 35 followers? It's just not adding up.
post #77 of 237
Thank you , March for your input !
Nah, you don't need your flame proof suit .
Your post clears it up for me and thus the speculation may end.
post #78 of 237
Are you speaking with insider knowledge or are you taking a stab in the dark with your above post? Because it's not "pretty obvious" that's what happened.
post #79 of 237
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Are you speaking with insider knowledge or are you taking a stab in the dark with your above post? Because it's not "pretty obvious" that's what happened.

Yes, inside knowledge in the sense that I'm an attorney familiar with the unwinding of corporations, partnerships, sole proprietorships, etc. I have no inside knowledge of this specific situation, but if you really believe that 2 partners would give up the company name and attendant goodwill to a third partner in exchange for nothing, I have a black helicopter I'd like to sell you.
post #80 of 237
But they must have had a falling out between the three of them. The Perfumed Court was running fine. So what, that the deliveries came from more than one place, and some faster, and some slower. It seems that "Three is a crowd" and some strife took place. Now those two HAVE TO GET ALONG, at least in the beginning. Who knows how long that lasts ...

All I can say is that "turnover is costly". The Perfumed Court was functioning fine to the outside world and was respected as a good source.
post #81 of 237
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Yes, inside knowledge in the sense that I'm an attorney familiar with the unwinding of corporations, partnerships, sole proprietorships, etc. I have no inside knowledge of this specific situation, but if you really believe that 2 partners would give up the company name and attendant goodwill to a third partner in exchange for nothing, I have a black helicopter I'd like to sell you.

So you admit you have no intimate knowledge of what is really happening, meanwhile you are belittling others on here for having their suspicions. Wonderful. It's also highly suspicious when people with no post history show up to give one side of the story (though, in your case, you admit your side has no more intimate knowledge of what happened than myself or anyone else).
post #82 of 237
Hey, take it easy ! I like cryptic ... she is not as cryptic as her user name. All she did was make her statement.
post #83 of 237
I understand but it's condescending to show up to a thread and declare a) I have no intimate knowledge of what's going on and b) you are naive and oblivious for not coming to the same assumption as I did.

cryptic (fitting name, lurking for months and then choosing this thread to make a first appearance so there may likely be some kind of affiliation) may be a great person, but the condescending tone is unnecessary.
post #84 of 237
You obviously enjoy assigning bad motives to people about whom you know nothing. And since you reject reasonable explanations from people with specialized knowledge that you lack in favor of wild speculation, there's no point in trying to have a civilized conversation with you. And yes, I set up this account over six months ago on the off-chance that I'd have to defend my overlords, Patty and Lisa, against borderline slander. They keep me chained to a radiator in the basement.
post #85 of 237
How is my speculation any more wild than yours? You just admitted you have no insider knowledge about the situation, so for you to sit here and declare with certainty that I'm wrong means either you're making your own wild speculation or you're being dishonest. Either way, it doesn't call for the condescending attitude. All we're trying to do is get some answers (by people who are actually affiliated and knowledgable with the situation), no need to bring insults here.
post #86 of 237
Other than idle gossip on this website, and on others, because this is interesting news ... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE whether the owners change ? In a week or so, both enterprises - the new one with the new name - and the old one with the well know name - will display their prices and their offerings, and then

it is still, as always, the discerning customer/consumer who makes the decision whether to buy here or there and what and how many.

This "discussion" just fills Forum space and is somewhat entertaining when passing time on the Internet, but there is no reason to get into each others hair.

By now, the men are laughing about the catfight !
post #87 of 237
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Originally Posted by Ursula View Post

it is still, as always, the discerning customer/consumer who makes the decision whether to buy here or there and what and how many.

Precisely correct, which is why this discerning customer would like to know if something shady happened or not. To criticize or question this is vexing to me - what reason can there be for saying I'm not entitled to know this if it makes a difference to me as a customer? I've said multiple times in this thread I've not made any conclusions and am awaiting official word, but when I see these accounts with 0 posts swooping in and trying to shut down all conversation about this topic it adds even more suspicion.
post #88 of 237
I don't think anyone knows what's happening or why.

But one thing's for sure: assumptions are the mother of all f*ck-ups.
post #89 of 237
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Originally Posted by flouris View Post

How is my speculation any more wild than yours? You just admitted you have no insider knowledge about the situation, so for you to sit here and declare with certainty that I'm wrong means either you're making your own wild speculation or you're being dishonest. Either way, it doesn't call for the condescending attitude. All we're trying to do is get some answers (by people who are actually affiliated and knowledgable with the situation), no need to bring insults here.

Really??? If you expect the actual parties to come on this site and dish the dirt on each other in front of their potential customers thereby risking litigation you're in for a long wait. In the future, I'll keep my pertinent professional experience to myself.
post #90 of 237
We will never know. It does not make any difference. We are not shopping for anything dangerous, it is only fragrances. Who sells them, does not matter. Just like shopping inside the supermarket with so many aisles to pick from.
post #91 of 237
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I don't think anyone knows what's happening or why.

But one thing's for sure: assumptions are the mother of all f*ck-ups.

An assumption would require me to have come to a conclusion, which I've stated earlier I have not done. As for my suspicions, this thread has unfortunately only strengthened them. Will be sticking with TPC for the meantime. Thanks.
post #92 of 237
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Originally Posted by Osi1s View Post

oh man that sucks, was just about to order some new samples, bound to be some disruption as the sole tpc sorts out her inventory and distribution and this new biz for the other ladies is bound to have some new business teething issues

I feel your pain. My cart is loaded, just waiting for a sale to pull the trigger. Sad day for me. How that crap am I supposed to get my sample of Bandit now???
post #93 of 237
Removed post as it was in response to other posts which now appear to have been removed.
post #94 of 237
Has anyone noticed if there have been changes to TPC's current inventory? I have no idea which ones are held by Diane/Patty/ Lisa.
post #95 of 237
l'd just like to say welcome to March from the Posse. lt's good to see you here!
post #96 of 237
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Has anyone noticed if there have been changes to TPC's current inventory? I have no idea which ones are held by Diane/Patty/ Lisa.

I was wondering about that, too. Certainly they will have to split up the inventories, and the two different websites should reflect their inventory. All is in break-up mode right now. When the new site opens, there will be the virtual inventory on view. And, should the owner of TPC - the sole owner now - adjust her website also, to truly show what is available ?

I have toyed with the idea to quickly shop what I see now in TPC and what I would want, but ... will it be delivered, and when ?

So, I held off ... and went to another website for samples, instead. That's life. Turnover is costly.

I am sure that the three ladies will be able to "live through" all of that, because they are not newbies, but rather professionals in the field.
post #97 of 237
Cryptic just to say I appreciated your input! I'm not posting much either but I don't think it makes us less worthy of taking part in the discussion.
post #98 of 237
I imagine between the two sites, the same scents will be available as before; some owned by TPC and the others by the ladies of Surrender to Chance, just as before. Orders always were sent out separately from the 3 locations of the owners.

When the dust settles I think this will prove to be much ado about nothing. Why choose sides?
post #99 of 237
Is there actually another website / place that has the range/selection that TPC had, that lets you choose the sample size too?

I had my recent list of samples I was about to order the day this went down, im sure when the dust settles betweent he two it will be business as usual for the most part but that could take a bit and in the mean time my frangrance finger is twitchy much like TPC will prob take a cpl weeks to get to Aus so sooner I order the better.
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Cryptic just to say I appreciated your input! I'm not posting much either but I don't think it makes us less worthy of taking part in the discussion.

Cryptic's posts were very intelligent. I appreciated the professional view, her posts made sense. I had noticed her sense of humor before ... we met in virtual space, so I got a smile out of it. Not offended whatsoever.

IMO, if partners split, there has to be an orderly wind-up of the affairs. I don't know whether the ladies had official contracts, but there has to be an equitable distribution of assets, and there is the matter of "Good Will", confidence that has built over the years, and The Perfumed Court was respected as a good and reliable source.

It is not wrong for us virtual shopper to begin to wonder what the future (and for the people who have orders hanging, it is the present) will be like. That is what virtual discussion groups are for, to talk about matters of their concern in the world of perfumes. When we talk, without money involved, it is just talk in virtual space.

As soon as money is involved, for the ones who have placed orders and are awaiting delivery, it becomes another matter.

Some words of re-assurance from Diane at TPC may be indicated, like "business as usual - as soon as possible". But, sometimes it is best to just let "sleeping dogs" lie and not stir, because that is detrimental to the running of a business.
post #101 of 237
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You're probably right themoogle, but still, I'd rather deal with all the facts before slagging off people and their businesses.

Do you have any contacts at TPC? It would be great to know more.

Excellent Advice! Here's a FACT:

ALL THREE WOMEN CO-FOUNDED TPC. It was not owned by any one of them, with the other two as associates. They were equal business partners. They all have equal access to information garnered/gathered during their partnership at TPC. How they choose to utilize that information in their new business venture(s) is for them to decide, not us.
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ALL THREE WOMEN CO-FOUNDED TPC. How they choose to utilize that information in their new business venture(s) is for them to decide, not us.

Musette - many thanks for chiming in !
Absolutely right .
post #103 of 237
Welcome to basenotes cryptic and musette!
post #104 of 237
Musette, l see you joined in 2008, but welcome to the forum anyway! Hope to see more of you here.
post #105 of 237
Hi, everyone, it's March again. Patty posted on Surrender to Chance today on Perfume Posse:

http://perfumeposse.com/2012/04/04/s...e-demystified/
post #106 of 237
Thanks March, l just read Patty's post & l think she put it very well. Having had a similar experience regarding "surrendering to chance", l understand completely where she is coming from. And l wish all three of those ladies every success!
post #107 of 237
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Originally Posted by Perfumeposse View Post

Hi, everyone, it's March again. Patty posted on Surrender to Chance today on Perfume Posse:

http://perfumeposse.com/2012/04/04/s...e-demystified/


I read Patty's article. It will put all undue speculations to rest, and that is good, before they get out of hand totally and become harmful.

Although I have encountered her philosophy before (Zorba the Greek - the two of them laughing when the wooden structures collapsed, and dancing in accepting the downfall) ... personally, I cannot embrace it. It is an attitude. I hasten to think that we have control over our life by planning and discipline and structure. We get hit sometimes from the side, unexpectedly, but my view will always be - to get up and try again.

Will this philosopy and vision of the two ladies reflect on their website ? Will they engage the virtual audience and the actual shoppers in a common group where all embrace the same philosophy ? By sharing via the website ?

Usually a vendor's website is inter-active only in a limited way: Like, "do this test and we have your perfume profile for you", or "complete this survey so that we can do better" or "open an account and will credit bonus points to your account" or "comment in this box" or "send us an e-mail".

Does Patty have a complete new vision and wants the viewer/shopper to interact ?

In any event, much of good luck. The brave deserve encouragement.
post #108 of 237
Well, I see from her use of the words "coup" and "mutiny" that she must have read this thread. How embarrassing for us. Hope everyone involved understands that most BNers are not judgmental gossips.

Have been shipped packages from all three ladies- always quickly and packaged with true care. Will continue to order from all of them; there's simply no one else quite like them. Best of luck to both ventures.
post #109 of 237
We do not want to known as judgemental gossips, for sure !
I also read Patty's blog post and frankly I love her brave attitude to life, I always have.
Let's just wish them all good fortune and luck with their endeavors and leave it like that.
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Well, I mean, for how long did you think 3 women could agree on anything together?

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Originally Posted by Dorje123 View Post

lol, yup... partnerships are the worst business structure ever.

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lol!

God, yes. We all know how well men get along.
WWIII anyone?

Honestly, just say "people" next time, not women.
post #111 of 237
Some of the inventory at TPC has disappeared. I had a few scents in my wishlist that have vanished, from wishlist and site inventory. I assume that they will appear on STC when it goes up... fingers crossed.
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God, yes. We all know how well men get along.
WWIII anyone?

Honestly, just say "people" next time, not women.

Yes.
post #113 of 237
What I have noticed in this threads is alot of guys who frequent the male board just making assumptions are getting carried away with their imaginations. Shady ? Susupicious ? Okay.
post #114 of 237
Love your avatar tdem - the Klimt looks great.
post #115 of 237
Thank you, Laph! I love him.
post #116 of 237
I'm interested to see what the new site is all about. I read Patty's big long post about all the hidden meanings and words tattoo'd and adventures in Morocco and la la la. But my main question is this....

How much special and different can you make decanting fragrances to be??? I mean you're taking a bunch of liquid from big bottles, and putting them in little bottles. Is there some big philosophy and voodoo mysticism behind this that I am missing? Some spirituality 'get in touch with the universe' thing that they are going to convey somehow?

I mean I could see if the TPC was a PERFUME HOUSE. And they all had different directions in which they wanted to take the fragrance line, etc. etc.

But in their current business models, if it's still going to just be decanting, I don't buy into the whole "it has nothing to do with money" thing.
post #117 of 237
My money is on it being just samples and decants for now, she said surrendertochance was a name they had in mind for something else but ended up using it for the new site when all this went down. But in any case it was a nice story behind where the name came from, if you still choose to be hung up on the many reasons a partnership can change then that's your call.
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I'm interested to see what the new site is all about. I read Patty's big long post about all the hidden meanings and words tattoo'd and adventures in Morocco and la la la...

Yes, that's my problem with it. It's a very introverted name, unless you know there two ladies, and know their personal history, you can't grasp the meaning of it. A company name that needs that much song and dance to make sense is not capable of standing on its own. The whole concept feels so intensely personal and "insider-y" that I, as a potential customer, feel shut out, and that is a big flaw, in my opinion.
post #119 of 237
colour me crazy but I have a sneaky suspicion many people outside of this thread and perhaps some in it won't care about the name, it will come down to; selection, price, shipping, and customer service (Not necessarily in that order) as to whether they use stc, tpc, tpp etc.
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Originally Posted by fsface View Post

I'm interested to see what the new site is all about. I read Patty's big long post about all the hidden meanings and words tattoo'd and adventures in Morocco and la la la. But my main question is this....

How much special and different can you make decanting fragrances to be??? I mean you're taking a bunch of liquid from big bottles, and putting them in little bottles. Is there some big philosophy and voodoo mysticism behind this that I am missing? Some spirituality 'get in touch with the universe' thing that they are going to convey somehow?

I mean I could see if the TPC was a PERFUME HOUSE. And they all had different directions in which they wanted to take the fragrance line, etc. etc.

But in their current business models, if it's still going to just be decanting, I don't buy into the whole "it has nothing to do with money" thing.

Read it the other day too, sounded quite hippieish and, in typical female fashion :-p, avoided the interesting part as to why they have parted ways, if I remember right.
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