Dorinia SA

Hello Toni,
Congratulations on starting to sell - its an exciting step!

To your question - luckily you can buy small quantities of Dorinia SA E at Hekserij, which is where I get mine. Unfortunately to buy direct from Firmenich you need to be buying by the truck load (or at least the pallet of 25 kilo drums)!

There is also a yahoo group where some of us sometimes do group buys of things that are hard to buy in sensible quantities that you might want to investigate as well.

Security of supply of some of these things is a worry you are not alone in experiencing I assure you.

They may just be out of stock at the moment. This is a commonly used material. She removes them from the site when out of stock. Check back or email Linda, she is quick to respond.

Ah, sorry about that - and now that I check I see that Vigon dont stock it either, which is odd as they have most Firmenich stuff.

The Perfume Making group is here.

As to the quantities, well yes, in a way I wish I was too and then again I dont because to do that you need a manufacturing plant and I got into this precisely to get away from working in a huge business, so its not altogether a bad thing to be small.

What sort of quantity are you looking for? I might be able to help out short term, at least until you find a better source.

I would most certainly be interested in a portion of a Kilo- Perhaps a 1/4.

would pitch in as well.

for what's it worth, dorina sa and dorina sa e are two different products. the latter is a more expensive version and pitched as a better quality product, specifically made for fine fragrances.

i can't compare the two, i only have dorina sa e.

Sorry Ive been away from Basenotes for a bit - let me see what price I can get on a kilo of Dorinia SA E first, but in principle Im happy to take a half or full kilo of the product Vigon have (which I understand to be SA - like gido I only have the SA E at present). Im also willing to distribute on to others in the UK / Europe if someone in the US can order it in the first instance.

For those in Europe please keep in mind that in addition to shipping and packaging costs (which can be very significant, especially if the material is classed as hazardous) youll need to pay VAT and possibly other Duty on the import.

Well it seems that Dorinia SA E is indeed a little more expensive at around €400 - for my money I’m prepared to go with that rather than the cheaper SA, not least because it won’t work out much cheaper by the time it’s on this side of the Atlantic.

For those who have never used it I can tell you that Dorinia SA E is a very fine rose otto / rose absolute substitute: in fact I’ve seen it being presented as real rose otto - my supplier knew quite well it was fake and sent the sample in a spirit of enquiry - but someone had tried to pass it off to him as the real thing. I recognised it immediately, but the point of this story is that it’s a good enough imitation that someone thought that fraud worth perpetrating (and they are probably still selling the stuff as rose otto to the unsuspecting). Dorinia was also one of the key products that established Firmenich’s reputation in the fragrance materials market - though there were clearly many other factors in their early success too.

Looking at the posts below, most people who’ve expressed a desire to buy are in the US but if there is interest from people in Europe - or if those in the US prefer the SA E version - I’m happy to buy a kilo and split it up.

If you’ve never done this before, please keep in mind that the additional costs of doing it are non-trivial: some material is lost in splitting so 1Kg does not make 10 100g lots for example, plus there is the cost of bottles, packaging, shipping, import and export taxes to consider. So you can’t just take the cost of a kilo, divide it down and expect that to be it. I generally work on the basis it will cost me roughly double the headline price when I buy things this way from the US - far more when the product is very cheap. Lead-times can also be significant, so be prepared to plan far in advance - some materials are manufactured in one or two runs a year with the factory being used to produce other things the rest of the time and finding stock just before one of those runs can be impossible.

Slightly off-topic but another material that I know has limited availability outside of Europe is Veratraldehyde and I’d be happy to do the same with that if there is interest.

In principle I’m happy to do this with anything in fact, though clearly I don’t want to end up becoming an aromatics distributor by default.

I am very interested. Let me know what I can do to help.

Thanks, if you dont mind handling distribution on the North American side that would be a great help. Thus far, besides whoever may be interested here I have one other party in the US who wants some.

I dont really want to buy more than 1/4 to half a kilo myself, so Im really looking for enough people to take up the rest.

I will take 1/4

Sorry to have been off the grid for a while - whenever Ive been up Basenotes has been down - with which in mind can I ask all those interested in this purchase to PM me with full contact details so that we can get everything sorted irrespective of server problems at Basenotes Towers?

It looks like we have four of us each wanting a quarter kilo so I have enough interest to buy it: Im the only one in Europe so I propose to send three quarters of the material on to one of you in the US who can then divide it evenly and pass on to the other two. Ill work out the exact cost, including shipping to the US, as soon as everyone firms up their orders. Whoever does the onward shipping within the US will need to cover their costs for that too, but in return for doing the work and providing the bottles will have theirs without paying for that bit, which seems a fair trade.

That all seem good to everyone?

Please keep me informed on this thread.

If you want to participate in the group buy, Im going to need both email and real-world contact details from you . . . I cant send the stuff to a thread, even on Basenotes you know!

Also I just tried to PM you and youve exceeded your quota so I couldnt . . .

Previously on "Breaking Bad"...

Can I be included in the Buy Group? I need 100 grams of Dorinia SA E. Please let me know. Thanks.

Yes sure. If you PM me your contact details Ill be writing to everyone to agree the split shortly - at the moment we have a total of 1.1 Kg but Im sure we can arrange to each take either more or less so that we get to 1 or 2 Kg.

We currently have a bit of spare capacity on this as one of the buyers has dropped out - anyone else interested in participating please?

Quick update - this buy is about to go ahead - I've just confirmed with the supplier that we don't have to buy in whole kilos and we are already over the 1Kg threshold to get the best price, so if anyone wants to join in on the buy, shout now please and I can bring you in.

Just to reiterate, this material, Dorinia SA E, is a Rose Accord produced by Firmenich for use in fine fragrance and is currently not being sold by any of the US suppliers. The supplier I'm buying from (Hekserij) does not ship to North America but can supply most other places and sells in amounts as small as 10ml - so this is really of interest only to those in North America.

tHiS!

If youd like to join in, please send me your contact details and Ill include you on the mails where we are sorting out the details. Im going to close this buy in the next 10-15 hours so if you want to join in please act quickly.

Everyone in on this buy should have an email from me now - if you haven't it's either in your spam folder or I've bungled something!

This is in the final stages now and almost everyone who has decided to participate has paid.

However EarNoseThroat

I've still not heard anything from you, despite efforts on email and Basenotes - I'll be going ahead without you if I've still not heard anything in about 30 hours from now . . .