Brian (and others),
Hopefully I've not been overly-defensive of Creed and, in doing so, taken on a nasty tone. Kagey, this is for you as well - I'm sorry to have been unfriendly, but you did make me feel as if I was really being overly defensive and nasty.
I feel that as much love as Creed's fragrances, and the house itself receives, a good amount of vitriolic material is generated from the hater crowd who feel that it's wrong a house should be so respected and its fragrances so loved. I accept people have different tastes, but this vitriol goes beyond that. It seems to often reek of an unusually high level of resentment and ignorance, and comes from someone who has not taken the time/effort to go through Creed's work and try to appreciate the beauty that many others see. If that never happens, so be it - but until one does that, it can't in all fairness be considered a fully informed opinion.
In the years I've been on the forums I've seen people banned for being non-stop Creed robots, their reason for being here primarily singing praises and bashing anything that isn't Creed.. and of course attacking any negative opinions/feelings about Creed. At the same time I've seen people banned for going on a hate fest against anything Creed and anybody who expresses interest/love of the house and its fragrances. These people are more into the drama of forums, I suppose, than a study of the contents of the bottle and not just its cover/hype/publicity/marketing.
Then some people just love to jump on the hate bandwagon. What I've wanted to do is challenge people to be even slightly more objective and bring specifics into the conversation to illustrate what they're driving at. You cite L'Air de Rien from Miller Harris. If someone cites a specific Creed (or two, three, more) it might help narrow down what that person isn't enjoying *in particular* from their "Creed fragrance experience". With such a diverse catalog, I just imagine it would actually take some effort to NOT find even a tiny bit of enjoyment for at least *one* of Creed's many fragrances created over the years.
I believe it *is* possible to walk into something with a closed mind or preconceived notions that will ultimately skew an opinion. Some people buy fragrances because there are more positive reviews than negatives, or neutrals or whatever. I'm not saying that's wrong, but that approach doesn't lend itself to broadening one's own development and education within the hobby.
There's a way of going about expressing one's self, no matter what the opinion on a particular matter might be.
Originally Posted by Brian Chambers
With the exception of a couple of people that jump on every Creed thread to say something negative (and I think those people might exist because of what follows), for the most part Basenoters are actually quite fond of this house in general. My main beef is not with Creed itself but with people who have an almost evangelical enthusiasm for Creed and Creed alone. For reasons I don't understand, it is not enough for them to enjoy the scents but there is almost a holy war against anyone who would disagree.
If I jump on a thread and say Miller Harris' L'Air de Rien smells like a goat farm, a fairly polite debate might ensue about what I'm actually smelling. However, if I make even the mildest criticism of a Creed scent, I will pretty much be eviscerated. What weird insecurity is it that makes people behave like that?
And I'm no Creed hater. Windsor is perhaps my favorite fragrance of all time. I own full 250ml flacons of Creed scents and have several more on my to-buy list. I think they make some fantastic stuff. But I don't get the ridiculous over-reacting defensiveness of certain fans (and, it should be noted, this is a tiny but vociferous faction of BNers) when it comes to this house.
I see the other side, too. The people who jump on any Creed thread to bad-mouth it. But I really believe those people are reacting more to the Creed fanatics than Creed itself.
The phrase "Jesus, save me from your followers" sometimes comes to mind with Creed.