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post #1 of 11
6/27/12 at 3:26pm
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Hi - I am just starting out in the business and am trying to get hold of some galaxolide. I emailed IFF who hold the patent, but no reply. Do the big fragrance co's sell directly to small-scale perfumers, or do we have to go through middle-men like the perfumers apprentice? They are fine if you want a few grams, but how about if you need to buy a kg of something? Thanks.
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post #2 of 11
6/28/12 at 1:22am
I'm surprised that IFF didn't reply to you. Mind you IFF is not the only business that makes Galaxolide; there are several Indian and Chinese companies that do so as well.
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post #3 of 11
6/28/12 at 1:19pm
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Thanks for that - I'll get onto alibaba straight away! I asked Treatts for a couple of quotes, and they were quick to reply and courteous. Great customer service!
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post #4 of 11
6/30/12 at 3:26am
Never heard of alibaba; heard of Google though. Type in "Suppliers of Galaxolide" and see what happens; or is that too simple?
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post #5 of 11
6/30/12 at 5:38pm
If you can order from the USA, The Perfumer's Apprentice will sell you Galaxolide for a few dollars. You don't need much.
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post #6 of 11
7/1/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Abu Ayoob View Post

Hi - I am just starting out in the business and am trying to get hold of some galaxolide. I emailed IFF who hold the patent, but no reply. Do the big fragrance co's sell directly to small-scale perfumers, or do we have to go through middle-men like the perfumers apprentice? They are fine if you want a few grams, but how about if you need to buy a kg of something? Thanks.

1Kg of something like Galaxolide is, ironically, about the hardest quantity to buy: small amounts you can get from PA or Hekserij easily, 25Kg or more you can get from the big re-sellers easily - including all those Chinese suppliers youll find through Alibaba. Youd need to be buying by the tonne for IFF to want to trade with you direct with a material like Galaxolide where the patent is out and the material is produced in very large amounts.

However if you live in the US you could try Vigon, who have a 1Kg minimum on almost everything. In the UK Id be looking to Azelis for it. However all that being said, Galaxolide is probably the most controversial of the synthetic musks still in widespread use, so you might want to consider one of the alternatives - personally Im phasing out Galaxolide in favour of Romandolide in all my formulas.
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post #7 of 11
7/3/12 at 3:50pm
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I have been looking at the negatives of galaxolide. I am using it for home fragrance, so no skin contact, but respiratory...as far as I could tell it should be okay in candles, incense, etc?
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post #8 of 11
7/4/12 at 12:18am
The only negative that I know of, for Galaxolide, is that it isn't biodegradable. I have heard that there is a possibility that it can react with oestrogen, but I don't know anything about this. It is not on the Allergen list. There is a greater possibility of absorbing Galaxolide via the lungs (i.e. breathing it in) than through the skin.
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post #9 of 11
7/4/12 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post

The only negative that I know of, for Galaxolide, is that it isn't biodegradable. I have heard that there is a possibility that it can react with oestrogen, but I don't know anything about this. It is not on the Allergen list. There is a greater possibility of absorbing Galaxolide via the lungs (i.e. breathing it in) than through the skin.

This pretty much covers all the issues - the fact that it persists in human tissue and in the environment for a very long time indeed is the main issue - romandolide is a bit more expensive but smells quite similar, is easier to work with because its a mobile liquid when pure and for some applications is superior to galaxolide and fully biodegradable.

Im not aware of whether there are any particular issue with using either of these in candles or incense, where the material will be subject to burning: youd need to check that because many materials can be altered unfavourably in a burning application.
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post #10 of 11
7/4/12 at 4:06am
vigon is a good idea when you're in the usa. in europe, hekserij will also sell larger quantities, indeed for a much better price than their standard smaller quantities (i got quota of about 1/10th of the price of 10ml for a kilo from jan.) this might also be true for the perfumers apprentice or the good scents company.
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post #11 of 11
7/4/12 at 4:40am
The only other thing about Galaxolide is that it is not very good in candles; doesn't perform well. Depends on the type of home fragrance of course, but in general big molecules musks aren't much use in home fragrances.
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