I know some of you sarcastically will answer that it is, but would our opinions change on this fragrance and would it be coveted as much as it is if it was made by a company such as Lacoste, Hugo Boss, or Nautica?
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A lot of people would wear it. And people on Basenotes would bash it, just like they do AdG. Because most BN'ers want something original and exclusive to separate themselves from the common person who isn't serious about collecting frags. If Aventus were ever cheap, I'd certainly wear it, even if it is popular, just so long as it doesn't become as noticable as Armani Code.
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I love the smell, so if I could get it for 1/3 the price, I think I would like that.
However, things stop being "cool" when it is mainstream. Rock & roll was great - until Grandma & Grandpa started blasting Metallica. New phrases, clothing, etc. It happens with everything. As soon as everyone starts wearing Aventus, I will probably not wear it as much - but I would still like it...
Very expensive restaurants don't necessarily serve that much better food... it's to keep the "other" people out...
However, things stop being "cool" when it is mainstream. Rock & roll was great - until Grandma & Grandpa started blasting Metallica. New phrases, clothing, etc. It happens with everything. As soon as everyone starts wearing Aventus, I will probably not wear it as much - but I would still like it...
Very expensive restaurants don't necessarily serve that much better food... it's to keep the "other" people out...
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It would be bashed for being inconsistent (which it is) and fleeting to the wearer (which it is). Others enjoy it a great deal when I wear it, but I am decidedly "meh" about it. It's a crowd pleaser, if that's what you're into.
It would also rocket to the top of the sales charts because it is such a compliment magnet. It would do well for D&G or Armani, not as well for Boss or Lacoste. Unfortunately, the name matters a great deal, at least half.
It would also rocket to the top of the sales charts because it is such a compliment magnet. It would do well for D&G or Armani, not as well for Boss or Lacoste. Unfortunately, the name matters a great deal, at least half.
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Eventually, designers will create fragrances with a similar vibe to Aventus. I'd be shocked if pineapple didn't start to trend in a few years.
That only matters if being "cool" matters. AdG gets mocked on basenotes, but it's the #1 top selling frag and has been for something like 16 years. Being cool or uncool hasn't changed how AdG smells, nor has it changed how much women tend to enjoy it on a man.
The whole cool thing matters more to teenagers and people in their 20s - especially early 20s. I think it's hilarious that some of the same people who thought I wasn't cool in my 20s because I didn't follow trends now think I'm very cool because I don't follow trends. It's silly.
Like what pleases you.
Dislike what displeases you.
Or, follow the herd from trend to trend and eventually discover that you don't actually like most of your own stuff.
That only matters if being "cool" matters. AdG gets mocked on basenotes, but it's the #1 top selling frag and has been for something like 16 years. Being cool or uncool hasn't changed how AdG smells, nor has it changed how much women tend to enjoy it on a man.
The whole cool thing matters more to teenagers and people in their 20s - especially early 20s. I think it's hilarious that some of the same people who thought I wasn't cool in my 20s because I didn't follow trends now think I'm very cool because I don't follow trends. It's silly.
Like what pleases you.
Dislike what displeases you.
Or, follow the herd from trend to trend and eventually discover that you don't actually like most of your own stuff.
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I guess no normally priced designer frag is coveted - unless it's discontinued and after that it wont be any more normally priced. Some people don't like to buy a fragrance just based on what it smells like but they are ready to pay for the brand and the "status" of the fragrance.
I tend to believe that such people who can recognize pricey scents on somebody are quite few... as well not so many girls are attracted by or even know if some guy is wearing a pricey niche scent. I think most just either like or dislike (or neutral) of what they smell on others.
I tend to believe that such people who can recognize pricey scents on somebody are quite few... as well not so many girls are attracted by or even know if some guy is wearing a pricey niche scent. I think most just either like or dislike (or neutral) of what they smell on others.
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Eventually, designers will create fragrances with a similar vibe to Aventus. I'd be shocked if pineapple didn't start to trend in a few years.
That only matters if being "cool" matters. AdG gets mocked on basenotes, but it's the #1 top selling frag and has been for something like 16 years. Being cool or uncool hasn't changed how AdG smells, nor has it changed how much women tend to enjoy it on a man.
The whole cool thing matters more to teenagers and people in their 20s - especially early 20s. I think it's hilarious that some of the same people who thought I wasn't cool in my 20s because I didn't follow trends now think I'm very cool because I don't follow trends. It's silly.
Like what pleases you.
Dislike what displeases you.
Or, follow the herd from trend to trend and eventually discover that you don't actually like most of your own stuff.

Eventually, designers will create fragrances with a similar vibe to Aventus. I'd be shocked if pineapple didn't start to trend in a few years.
That only matters if being "cool" matters. AdG gets mocked on basenotes, but it's the #1 top selling frag and has been for something like 16 years. Being cool or uncool hasn't changed how AdG smells, nor has it changed how much women tend to enjoy it on a man.
The whole cool thing matters more to teenagers and people in their 20s - especially early 20s. I think it's hilarious that some of the same people who thought I wasn't cool in my 20s because I didn't follow trends now think I'm very cool because I don't follow trends. It's silly.
Like what pleases you.
Dislike what displeases you.
Or, follow the herd from trend to trend and eventually discover that you don't actually like most of your own stuff.
People in a younger market tend to have a great eagerness to conform and but what is deemed as "cool," shunning what is uncool. A few youngsters *do* have the self-confidence to beat to their own drum and step out of what fragrance store advertise as "best sellers." Who wants to smell like thousands of other men?
Then again, if you like it, wear it. Don't worry about whether it's "in" or not.
Many of us old codgers have developed more of a sense of self over the years! We wear what we like, but what ads or peers tells us to wear.

Speaking of advertising hype and fanciful stories of aristocratic perfumers and lady-loves, Parfums D'Orsay's Le Dandy has a great pineapple vibe. A crisp boozy opening. Try to EDT if you can find it as the new reformulated EDP is lacking something, namely the oakmoss.
More on the house of D'Orsay and their creative marketing:
Nigel Groom, 2nd ed. "The Perfume Handbook."
Ken Leach. "Perfume Presentations."
Madeline Marsh. "Miller's Perfume Bottles: A Collector's Guide."
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ABSOLUTELY!
Not by me...BUT.....it's true!
Even though those who worship at the house of Creed and other "niche" houses will likely deny it...it's absolutely true. There are several who simply "dismiss" a fragrance if it is produced by a designer house, especially one of "questionable quality"....and there are some who think that any fragrance produced by one of the niche brands is worthy of any and all praise heaped upon it.
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I agree with a prior post that at some point some designer house(s) will come up with an Aventus knock-off. This is not an if but a when (and perhaps someone already has). Look at how many copycats have followed Armani Acqua di Gio, for example. Whenever a fragrance achieves a big following, it will always attract competitors usually at lower price points. As the old saying goes, "imitation is the best form of flattery." To answer the OP's question, track the reaction to the designers' response to Aventus. They won't ignore Aventus; they can't afford to.
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Interesting. I think for some people it might be thought of less fondly. For others they would love it no matter whose label it was under.
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Seems to me like this is a catch 22. According to all the reviews and threads on Aventus it appears to be a huge compliment machine, however if this were a designer scent sold at every big department store it would become common place and no longer unique. People would be smelling this everywhere and most people would tire of the scent thus the catch 22.... super comment getting fragrance becomes very common and no longer garners compliments so people stop wearing it and then the designer discontinues it.... 5 years later it is becomes the most sought after fragrance on the market
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Seems to me like this is a catch 22. According to all the reviews and threads on Aventus it appears to be a huge compliment machine, however if this were a designer scent sold at every big department store it would become common place and no longer unique. People would be smelling this everywhere and most people would tire of the scent thus the catch 22.... super comment getting fragrance becomes very common and no longer garners compliments so people stop wearing it and then the designer discontinues it.... 5 years later it is becomes the most sought after fragrance on the market
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Seems to me like this is a catch 22. According to all the reviews and threads on Aventus it appears to be a huge compliment machine, however if this were a designer scent sold at every big department store it would become common place and no longer unique. People would be smelling this everywhere and most people would tire of the scent thus the catch 22.... super comment getting fragrance becomes very common and no longer garners compliments so people stop wearing it and then the designer discontinues it.... 5 years later it is becomes the most sought after fragrance on the market
.Good comment. Even worse is that instead of being discontinued it would be flankered to death.
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My theory is it would be one of the best selling fragrances on the market. It's unique and modern at the same time. I don't love it because it's from an expensive niche house...many people find the scent appealing and if it was cheaper, it would most likely fly off the shelves.

My theory is it would be one of the best selling fragrances on the market. It's unique and modern at the same time. I don't love it because it's from an expensive niche house...many people find the scent appealing and if it was cheaper, it would most likely fly off the shelves.
I agree. I think it could have a lot of potential as a designer fragrance. I'm really surprised we haven't seen an unmistakable clone yet.
I think Hugo Boss or Baldessarini could do it, if they would simply not beat the composition into submission on their altar to the evil gods of air conditioner coolants.
Boss Bottled knew how to do fruity, though not as nicely as Aventus, and the smoky masculine "grey suit" base in Aventus fits into the whole Boss schtick rather nicely. If they have to up the price, then do it as a new Baldessarini, where they can charge more. I could really see them doing Aventus. But they would have to leave the composition as it is, and I don't think they could do it. It's just in their nature to synth out and dumb down. They would cheap it down, it would lose its edge, and it would only be a respected Boss scent with better than average compliment-getting character, but nothing more.
As for us - yeah - we would disrespect it, though not entirely. We would call it one of the better designer fragrances, but probably say it wasn't as good as Creed Aventus.
That's right - the designer would probably eliminate batch variations, meaning they would dilute their best batches of the pineapple and blackcurrant with lesser stuff to make it overall more consistent but more average.
*sigh*
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I agree. I think it could have a lot of potential as a designer fragrance. I'm really surprised we haven't seen an unmistakable clone yet.
I think Hugo Boss or Baldessarini could do it, if they would simply not beat the composition into submission on their altar to the evil gods of air conditioner coolants.
Boss Bottled knew how to do fruity, though not as nicely as Aventus, and the smoky masculine "grey suit" base in Aventus fits into the whole Boss schtick rather nicely. If they have to up the price, then do it as a new Baldessarini, where they can charge more. I could really see them doing Aventus. But they would have to leave the composition as it is, and I don't think they could do it. It's just in their nature to synth out and dumb down. They would cheap it down, it would lose its edge, and it would only be a respected Boss scent with better than average compliment-getting character, but nothing more.
As for us - yeah - we would disrespect it, though not entirely. We would call it one of the better designer fragrances, but probably say it wasn't as good as Creed Aventus.
That's right - the designer would probably eliminate batch variations, meaning they would dilute their best batches of the pineapple and blackcurrant with lesser stuff to make it overall more consistent but more average.
*sigh*

I agree. I think it could have a lot of potential as a designer fragrance. I'm really surprised we haven't seen an unmistakable clone yet.
I think Hugo Boss or Baldessarini could do it, if they would simply not beat the composition into submission on their altar to the evil gods of air conditioner coolants.
Boss Bottled knew how to do fruity, though not as nicely as Aventus, and the smoky masculine "grey suit" base in Aventus fits into the whole Boss schtick rather nicely. If they have to up the price, then do it as a new Baldessarini, where they can charge more. I could really see them doing Aventus. But they would have to leave the composition as it is, and I don't think they could do it. It's just in their nature to synth out and dumb down. They would cheap it down, it would lose its edge, and it would only be a respected Boss scent with better than average compliment-getting character, but nothing more.
As for us - yeah - we would disrespect it, though not entirely. We would call it one of the better designer fragrances, but probably say it wasn't as good as Creed Aventus.
That's right - the designer would probably eliminate batch variations, meaning they would dilute their best batches of the pineapple and blackcurrant with lesser stuff to make it overall more consistent but more average.
*sigh*
I agree. If Aventus were to be created by a designer house, it is unlikely to be like the Creed Aventus, given that designer houses like mainstream and populist scents, and there is a tendency to modify the composition to satisfy as many tastes as possible with focus-grouping and to cut costs. If Aventus can be considered a very well-made and natural-smelling fragrance under Creed, it is unlikely to be made the same by a designer house. It may end up smelling like Zara Gold (tangy pineapple top, generic woody base).
But if it remains exactly the same, I think people will still love it for the composition (fresh light fruity top, smoky and light leathery heart), which there are few direct competitors in the mainstream field.
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I don't even think it would have to be a clone. Take the rich pineapple and use that as the basis for a designer scent. There are actually a lot of different directions the base could go and it would still probably be a smash hit. All I believe it needs is that rich pineapple with some sort of masculine backbone. Smash hit. I'm actually shocked it hasn't happened yet.
If I worked for a designer, creating a masculine pineapple scent would be a HUGE priority. Do it right and you could easily end up with a line of flankers in a few years, each with that familiar juicy pineapple, but with a different masculine base to create entirely different moods.
Everybody and their 2nd cousin's 2nd cousin made an Acqua-Di-Gio-alike. Aventus-alikes are coming. The only question is how clueless are the designer houses that aren't trying to be first.
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I don't even think it would have to be a clone. Take the rich pineapple and use that as the basis for a designer scent. There are actually a lot of different directions the base could go and it would still probably be a smash hit. All I believe it needs is that rich pineapple with some sort of masculine backbone. Smash hit. I'm actually shocked it hasn't happened yet.
If I worked for a designer, creating a masculine pineapple scent would be a HUGE priority. Do it right and you could easily end up with a line of flankers in a few years, each with that familiar juicy pineapple, but with a different masculine base to create entirely different moods.
Everybody and their 2nd cousin's 2nd cousin made an Acqua-Di-Gio-alike. Aventus-alikes are coming. The only question is how clueless are the designer houses that aren't trying to be first.

I don't even think it would have to be a clone. Take the rich pineapple and use that as the basis for a designer scent. There are actually a lot of different directions the base could go and it would still probably be a smash hit. All I believe it needs is that rich pineapple with some sort of masculine backbone. Smash hit. I'm actually shocked it hasn't happened yet.
If I worked for a designer, creating a masculine pineapple scent would be a HUGE priority. Do it right and you could easily end up with a line of flankers in a few years, each with that familiar juicy pineapple, but with a different masculine base to create entirely different moods.
Everybody and their 2nd cousin's 2nd cousin made an Acqua-Di-Gio-alike. Aventus-alikes are coming. The only question is how clueless are the designer houses that aren't trying to be first.
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Exactly. What's the deal? Perhaps there actually ARE several rip-offs waiting in the wings, but nobody wants to go first, and be forever known as the rip-off artist. Better to let *the other guy* take the heat.
And that may explain why nobody is even doing an obvious pineapple thing. It would just be too obvious - no matter what the base, the pineapple would be some kind of giveaway of a "me too" scent.
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What if we took a cheap nautica cologne and said it was a $350 of a top notch Niche house. Would people praise it and hype it up? Probably not, bc you can just tell the quality. You know when somethings cheap. Same thing goes with aventus. You just know when somethings high quality. And i honestly think that if aventus was made by a designer house, it would get even more praise than it does now because more people would know about it outside of the fragrance community, more people would be able to afford it and try it out.
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Exactly. What's the deal? Perhaps there actually ARE several rip-offs waiting in the wings, but nobody wants to go first, and be forever known as the rip-off artist. Better to let *the other guy* take the heat.
And that may explain why nobody is even doing an obvious pineapple thing. It would just be too obvious - no matter what the base, the pineapple would be some kind of giveaway of a "me too" scent.

Exactly. What's the deal? Perhaps there actually ARE several rip-offs waiting in the wings, but nobody wants to go first, and be forever known as the rip-off artist. Better to let *the other guy* take the heat.
And that may explain why nobody is even doing an obvious pineapple thing. It would just be too obvious - no matter what the base, the pineapple would be some kind of giveaway of a "me too" scent.
Perhaps, but 99% of those who buy designer scents have no idea the niche market even exists. I didn't until I found this forum. Most guys aren't even familiar with all of the names they see at the men's fragrance counter, let alone things like Creed that they never see since their Macy's doesn't carry any.
The tiny minority who are all about niche aren't going to buy the designer version anyway. They'll have experienced enough noses to be able to smell the difference. That's why there's still a market for Green Irish Tweed and Cool Water. The success of Cool Water sure didn't kill off GIT. The success of a designer pineapple with a masculine base won't kill off Aventus either.
That being said... I hope nobody does create a similar masculine pineapple scent. I own Aventus and I enjoy it. And to me, it's a really nice bonus that where I live, Creeds are rare compared to the stuff at places like Nordstrom, Macy's and Sephora.
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Perhaps, but 99% of those who buy designer scents have no idea the niche market even exists. I didn't until I found this forum. Most guys aren't even familiar with all of the names they see at the men's fragrance counter, let alone things like Creed that they never see since their Macy's doesn't carry any.
The tiny minority who are all about niche aren't going to buy the designer version anyway. They'll have experienced enough noses to be able to smell the difference. That's why there's still a market for Green Irish Tweed and Cool Water. The success of Cool Water sure didn't kill off GIT. The success of a designer pineapple with a masculine base won't kill off Aventus either.
That being said... I hope nobody does create a similar masculine pineapple scent. I own Aventus and I enjoy it. And to me, it's a really nice bonus that where I live, Creeds are rare compared to the stuff at places like Nordstrom, Macy's and Sephora.

Perhaps, but 99% of those who buy designer scents have no idea the niche market even exists. I didn't until I found this forum. Most guys aren't even familiar with all of the names they see at the men's fragrance counter, let alone things like Creed that they never see since their Macy's doesn't carry any.
The tiny minority who are all about niche aren't going to buy the designer version anyway. They'll have experienced enough noses to be able to smell the difference. That's why there's still a market for Green Irish Tweed and Cool Water. The success of Cool Water sure didn't kill off GIT. The success of a designer pineapple with a masculine base won't kill off Aventus either.
That being said... I hope nobody does create a similar masculine pineapple scent. I own Aventus and I enjoy it. And to me, it's a really nice bonus that where I live, Creeds are rare compared to the stuff at places like Nordstrom, Macy's and Sephora.
Agreed. I think the only pressure on *not* creating a rip-off would be within the industry. There is a lot of emphasis in the industry right now of the fact that perfumery intellectual property needs protection - both the formula and the outward smell of a fragrance. The players have evolved into a state where there are agreed and forbidden behaviors - and ripping off somebody else's fragrance too closely and within a certain grace period is definitely taboo.
But I think you're right - the first Aventus clone isn't going to impact Aventus too badly.
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Agreed. I think the only pressure on *not* creating a rip-off would be within the industry. There is a lot of emphasis in the industry right now of the fact that perfumery intellectual property needs protection - both the formula and the outward smell of a fragrance. The players have evolved into a state where there are agreed and forbidden behaviors - and ripping off somebody else's fragrance too closely and within a certain grace period is definitely taboo.

Agreed. I think the only pressure on *not* creating a rip-off would be within the industry. There is a lot of emphasis in the industry right now of the fact that perfumery intellectual property needs protection - both the formula and the outward smell of a fragrance. The players have evolved into a state where there are agreed and forbidden behaviors - and ripping off somebody else's fragrance too closely and within a certain grace period is definitely taboo.
That's interesting! Especially since they all seem to be copying each other already. I mean, really... isn't Guilty a response to the success of 1 Million? Different, but similar concept and target.
The whole intellectual property aspect is horrifying. In the tech world, it's already such a mess.
How do you trademark a pineapple?
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That's interesting! Especially since they all seem to be copying each other already. I mean, really... isn't Guilty a response to the success of 1 Million? Different, but similar concept and target.
The whole intellectual property aspect is horrifying. In the tech world, it's already such a mess.
How do you trademark a pineapple?

That's interesting! Especially since they all seem to be copying each other already. I mean, really... isn't Guilty a response to the success of 1 Million? Different, but similar concept and target.
The whole intellectual property aspect is horrifying. In the tech world, it's already such a mess.
How do you trademark a pineapple?
I agree - it's a mess. How much difference is needed to say a scent isn't a copy? You can't even trust one nose with that question. There are people who think GIT and Cool Water don't even smell alike. I think a lot of it is social perception, too. Specifically, the question: "Will it *look* like we're copying?" That's why I think there is a reluctance to go first when copying closely.
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Agreed. They're even more common than that - John Lewis have been stocking them for a few years now, right next to your usual Hermes, Dior, Chanel, Guerlain ,etc designer brands.
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How many places have a Harrods? As far as I know in the Kansas City area (heck maybe even the whole state of Kansas) there is only one place that even sells Creeds and that place is Halls on the plaza. Had it not been for Basenotes I would have never known about Creed because I don't see them in any of the locale department stores.
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How many places have a Harrods? As far as I know in the Kansas City area (heck maybe even the whole state of Kansas) there is only one place that even sells Creeds and that place is Halls on the plaza. Had it not been for Basenotes I would have never known about Creed because I don't see them in any of the locale department stores.

How many places have a Harrods? As far as I know in the Kansas City area (heck maybe even the whole state of Kansas) there is only one place that even sells Creeds and that place is Halls on the plaza. Had it not been for Basenotes I would have never known about Creed because I don't see them in any of the locale department stores.
This place has! :-) I've seen fragrance related questions on non-fragrance boards before and Creed always did get mentioned, hence I'm lead to believe that this is a well known brand. Sure, they might not be in all shops but neither are Lapidus or Bogart, etc.
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I agree with this ^
I see Creeds in most small fragrance shops in my town. They even sell them for slightly better deals than the upscae shops.
I consider Creed to be more or less a designer like brand. Perhaps in another category with Guerlain, Trumpers, Caron....etc and call them "Classical Fragrances". I just cannot see Creed Millisemes as "niche".
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The people who compliment me while wearing it never heard of Creed or most other fragrance houses. So, while BNers may have feelings one way or the other based on the house or price, the general public does not -- and as most people here can attest to - love it or hate it - it gets compliments.
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The people who compliment me while wearing it never heard of Creed or most other fragrance houses. So, while BNers may have feelings one way or the other based on the house or price, the general public does not -- and as most people here can attest to - love it or hate it - it gets compliments.

The people who compliment me while wearing it never heard of Creed or most other fragrance houses. So, while BNers may have feelings one way or the other based on the house or price, the general public does not -- and as most people here can attest to - love it or hate it - it gets compliments.
Anything can get compliments when potent
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