Help me identify this chemical

Hello everyone - seeking your wisdom!

There is a chemical that is prominent in a few scents, and I absolutely love it. Here's what I can tell you about the chemical

-It is most evident in the dry down.
-It smells fairly synthetic
-It smells rather smooth, metallic, minty, with hints of vanilla
-Could be seen as futuristic or 'space-like' - somehow strikes me as a space-like floral (no immediate earthly floral analogs come to mind)
-It also has a bit of a white gauze/bandage feel (not exactly the regular band aid smell of some ouds - more sterilized/white)
-Its color would be white or silver (at least that's how my mind eye perceives it)
-There is a hint of something dirty in it. A hint of indoles or something.
-I'd say it has a crystalline/smooth texture, and could even be seen as generally ozonic or marine-ish, with slight hints of vanillic amber.
-Despite overall being smooth,fresh and crystalline, it is still fairly 'thick' in texture (ok, I know this sounds paradoxical). It's like if you took calamus, added a minty crystalline zing to the top of it (and maybe a bit of lavender), and some vanilla and indoles on the backend.


Here are some scents I get the note in:
Fahrenheit 32 (very clear in this scent)
Bond Montauk (the late dry down of this scent seems to me like it is almost all this chemical)
Secretions Magnifique (that crystalline floral/bandage note)
Reflection Man (noticeable in the late dry down - a bit less obvious here than in the above scents)

Maybe it's a base, something like Ultrazur? Anyhow, I'm quite sure that the same chemical is present and fairly noticeable in all of the listed scents - they all strike my nose in a very peculiar way that only this chemical seems to do. I really must know what it is as I intend to use it as the central theme for one of my own compositions.

Thank you in advance!

Did some more research and think it might be one of the chemicals listed below. One of the common notes listed (which I know means little) in the scents I originally referenced is iris. Are there any of the ionones or other irisy chemicals that display the qualities I mentioned in the original post (and also below)?

Also though, I get jasmine nuances and something kind of hyacinth-ish, too. Metal, camphor, mothballs, coumarin and bandages, too. So, with all of that in mind, I came up with this list; maybe someone with experience with the chemicals listed below could tell me if they are metallic (something rarely seen in the descriptions).


(Also, thanks for that link Mumsy. From what you posted that sounds like a contender too - unfortunately I can't get more info on it at the moment as it seems like The Good Scents page is currently down (seems like it's been going down a lot here lately. Odd)).



So, in a sort of most likely to least likely order, here goes:

indolene
strong narcotic-floral moth ball naphthelene erogenic-floral animal jasmine orange-flower less fecal than indole
Question: Just how fecal is this? How strong are the napthelene/mothball notes? How floral?

2-methyl undecanal (aldehyde C-12 mna)
fresh amber aldehydic moss citrus tuberose metallic waxy coumarinic

beta-naphthyl ethyl ether
naphtha floral orange blossom powdery grape
substantivity: 400 hours


benzyl alcohol dd
Odor Description: \tvery mild, nearly neutral, little characteristic, slightly reminiscent of almond and naphthalene
Question: what is the longevity like of this stuff?

Orriniff
OLFACTORY DESCRIPTION
Orris, mimosa, violet leaf, amber complex with a leather, woody nuance. Imparts warm orris amber tones to fragrances. Gives compounds volume.
Long lasting
Question: Doubtful based on the description, but anything metallic/radiant about this stuff?


ORIVONE
Woody, dry, Orris, Camphoraceous
Question: Doubtful based on the description, but anything metallic/radiant about this stuff?

Maritime
fresh air watery buttery clean wet costus metallic
304 hours

Jacinthaflor
Question: Is this metallic at all? A long lasting base note?


nerolin
sweet naphthyl strawberry fruity orange blossom

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Thanks a ton David. I'm going to be getting as many of these chemicals as I can, although not all of them are easily sourceable in small amounts, sadly.

I'm trying to remember where I got the description of Aldehyde C12 MNA. It was either Symrise's site or one of the suppliers' sites. Sadly I've never even heard of, much less smelled, Badidas foam bath.

Jacinthaflor seems like it could be a contender. I think you're right that it may be a particular base, or, even more difficult, an accord that has been adopted (perhaps with slight alterations) within/between the scents. For instance, in Bond's Montauk there is less of the indole/jasmine element, more of the hyacinth element, but the radiant metallic quality is still present (with that weird amber/sweet quality). I think the drydown of Montauk shows it best, with Fahrenheit 32 showcasing the other elements I've mentioned best (the jasmine/indole/violet tonalities). I actually remember it being very prominent in Secretions but I'm hesitant to put that back on skin. I'll dig out my sample of that and see if it's noticeable on paper.

If anyone who has a lot of experience with aroma chemicals is up for it, let me know and I'll procure new/fresh samples (mine are mostly empty) and ship them to you if you'll help me with this. Thanks!

I don't think it's a captive as Antoine Lie (Secretions) and Laurent Le Guernec (Montauk) are both from IFF, although Lucas Sieuzac (Reflection Man) is from Symrise and Louise Turner who did Fahrenheit 32 is from Givaudan.

Adding violiff on my list of chemicals to track down.

Are there any really metallic/radiant ozonics? The 'texture' of the chemical is definitely smooth - and it calls to mind mirrors or reflective surfaces. A pool of mercury.

Btw, just PM me if you'd like me to get you some samples. It may take a few weeks as I need to track down extra samples, but I will gladly do so and get them to you free of charge.

Just hopping in here real quick - will make a more detailed reply tomorrow night when I've got more time...

I've been re-smelling Montauk today as I think the chemical is more isolated there and I really should have emphasized the camphor element of the chemical.

It's quite like white camphor but smoother - like white camphor with the smooth/metallic/radiant qualities of a high irone orris extract. The other thing is, the chemical is quite strong - it's still projecting strongly 8 hours after application. My guess is that its strength is fairly constant and tends to be 'covered up' earlier in the composition by aromachemicals that have a more traditional diffusive opening and linear dropoff thereafter, while this seems to hum along at a steady 5 or 6 out of 10 in volume (if I had to try and rate it).

So - maybe you can help me by naming any long long (8-12 hours or more) lasting camphory components with good and steady diffusiveness?

Thanks!

David, you're definitely right. I'm thinking it's at least two chemicals if not more. When I get the chance I'm going to retest all scents side by side and see if I can't find the precise points of overlaps (ha, difficult!).

One of the chemicals is an ambiguously minty (not clearly peppermint, definitely not spearmint, maybe hints of wintergreen) camphor orris like thing. It's cold, metallic and radiant (this is just going on memory, but I think it might be in Creed's SMW as well, providing the cold 'air from a freezer' note many have noticed in the scent). The other note is a sort of lactonic jasmine/lilac/hyacinth with a slight animalic backdrop.

Thing is, as I've little experience with pure aroma chemicals, I'm having a hard time finding the 'borders' of this chemical(s). I'm quite sure that the scents listed all share the camphory/radiant note, but not all of them have the lactonic animalic floral quality (it is most clearly evidenced in Fahrenheit 32).

I'm going to explore all of the notes listed above as well as a few other jasmine-y ones that sound like they might fit the bill (dijasmone, for example).