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post #61 of 104
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I don't get much Interlude or Opus VI from Beloved. I dunno, I just don't see that; not at all, really.

It's not nearly as woody/smoky as Interlude, but is instead more powdery/bitter/suede, with a citrus opening, and a unique green/red vibe throughout. Of course, I'm thinking anosmia may play a role in this one, as it has worn differently on me nearly every time. That inability to pin it down is what is holding back my proper review.

Both Interlude and Opus VI smell "clearly Amouage" - Beloved, not so much.
post #62 of 104
I can imagine the amouage leather note is again very strong in this. Just like Interlude.
post #63 of 104
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Originally Posted by benzganesh View Post

smokey vetiverish, somewhat "yesteryear" perfume accord, also quite similar to Dia, but the vetiver has that strong interlude link, was quite dissapointed, but happy i don't have to think much about it now!

Dia and Interlude in the same sentence? I don't see anything in common between those two, are you sure in was Amouage Beloved Man and not something else that you tried?
post #64 of 104
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Dia and Interlude in the same sentence? I don't see anything in common between those two, are you sure in was Amouage Beloved Man and not something else that you tried?

Beloved shares, some facets of Interlude and Some from Dia, through its multitude of phases, its clearly in my view is quite unoriginal, although its not entirely built form this two fragrances i sense this throughout Beloved MAN, although this is just my opinion, indeed the staff @Amouage pulled out a 30ml decant of Beloved Man from the drawer where it said "Beloved Man 2013".
post #65 of 104
Fabulous scene!
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Damn, it sounded good until I saw the price.

post #66 of 104
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Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post

It's not nearly as woody/smoky as Interlude, but is instead more powdery/bitter/suede

Too bad. Is it powdery like a woman's perfume / Dior Homme ? Or like Burberry Brit / Prada Infusion Homme ? Or is it a very natural, rich powdery smell like Xerjoff Kobe ?
post #67 of 104
Official Launch was this evening at Lane Crawford in Hong Kong.

It has a very classic masculine aromatic woods feel to me, the overall accord feel's familiar in a sort of retro way, with a slightly spicy citrus cardamon opening up into a very coherent floral jasmine on dark woods base. Christopher Chong was straight up, as usual, in explaining his intent, that it's not fancy or exotic but working with a more classical European style of perfumery (as opposed to Middle Eastern inflected), and I think that's pretty apparent from the get go - in much the same way as Beloved Woman has a very classical feel to it. It's a smooth ride, the floral element doesn't jump out, it gives a sense of understated elegance to me, and the base has a warm dark woods sort of quality to me - no splinters at all. Overall it glows, it doesn't shout, a seamless blend at 30% concentration, which certainly gives it time to evolve smoothly over time.

I would definitely recommend Beloved Man to guys I know who might only own a handful of 'standards' who are looking for something with a traditional pedigree but a relaxed modern sensibility . . . no gimmicks, no oud, no 'note du jour' - this one just nails it effortlessly.

I had a day or two before the launch to spend time with it so take this as initial impressions after a couple of wears - I'm looking forward to spending more time getting to know it a bit better.
post #68 of 104
I don't understand the pricing on Beloved Man at all.

mr. reasonable's description reads like a very nice choice at $125. At $275, it'd be quite a stretch. Epic Man, Interlude Man, Jubilation XXV... the wow-factor of these justifies their price on first wear. $275 may be over the top, but then again, Interlude Man is kind of over the top. 24 hour longevity from 2 sprays with a playful yet elegant scent that smells like nothing else. To me, that's all kinds of wow. But Beloved Man doesn't cost $275. It costs $425.

I'm not saying no fragrance could be worth $425. But Beloved Man doesn't sound like a $425 scent. I don't get it.

...am I missing something here? Is it strictly the Amouage name that justifies this scent's price, or is it really indeed THAT good?

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Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post

I would definitely recommend Beloved Man to guys I know who might only own a handful of 'standards' who are looking for something with a traditional pedigree but a relaxed modern sensibility . . . no gimmicks, no oud, no 'note du jour' - this one just nails it effortlessly.

Do those guys pay $425 for a single bottle?
post #69 of 104
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I don't understand the pricing on Beloved Man at all.

Do those guys pay $425 for a single bottle?

My understanding, at least this is what I have been told, both Beloved Man and Beloved women have extremely high concentration of perfume oils on the order of their Parfum extraits.

How true this is, I have no idea, but this is the reason they are claiming justifies the high price.
post #70 of 104
...but does the smell justify the price?
...does how it wear justify the price?
...does its uniqueness justify the price?

I guess we'll all find out in time. For the record, I admire Amouage. Interlude Man is a scent I absolutely adore, and I'm looking forward to sampling Beloved Man. Due to Beloved's sky-high price, I think it's fair to set one's expectations equally high.
post #71 of 104
Fair question and one that will probably never get a satisfying answer - with regard to any number of perfumes out there on the market. I didn't discuss pricing with Christopher and I imagine ultimately it comes from the finance department after assessing units going out, number of outlets etc. etc. but my best shot would be that any (a) Limited Edition release - i.e. a smaller than usual production run, going to only selected retail counters with (b) quite a high concentration of quality ingredients - i.e. not skimping on a 'cheap pepper molecules' and slamming a generic masculine woody base in there etc. is going to bump up the amount required to cover things.

I do also think what will make it harder to rationalise for many is that it is not 'exotic' or 'new'- it is a classical style accord, done very well - the creativity in Guerlain's Voyou is similar in that it has a recognisably classic masculine accord but JPG obviously wanted to play within that particular structure and bring the best ingredients he could to it . . . ultimately it's a personal choice based on preference and budget. I think this will appeal to guys who actually know the genre and can appreciate the creavity of bringing a new interpretation to it, but for Amouage's sake I do hope it also brings in some of the younger market because it does raise the bar a bit in terms of what a good traditional masculine can be.

Dunno - just speculating here because my tastes lean in a slightly different direction so I'm not the target but it's always interesting for me discussing contemporary masculine perfumery where you have a certain set of parameters that have been defined since around the 50's thru till early 80's when all hell broke loose and every now and then someone is brave enough to revisit something from that canon and offer a contemporary interpretation. I think Invasion Barbare might be another one, like Voyou and Beloved Man, where you have a recognisably classical structure given an update - and there was a great Ltd. Edition one that Brioni had in their stores for a while that played the same game. None of these came cheap.
post #72 of 104
I got to try Amouage Beloved Man this week. Yesterday I posted my impressions at Chemist in the Bottle. If anyone is interested you can read it here.

http://chemistinthebottle.wordpress....e-beloved-man/
post #73 of 104
Beloved Man released in Dubai on March 27th. Needless to say, I sniffed my way to the Amouage Boutique store and bought me a bottle.

Upon first sniff it smells like a 'fresher' (using the word loosely) version of Reflection - might be the Orris which is common between Beloved Man and Reflection Man. Later when it starts developing, it reminds me of a combination of Dia Man, Memoir Man, and Jubilation XXV, with Amouage's signature Iso-E-Super note.

Does it smell classic - don't think so, it smells modern to me. 'Classic' means Jean Patou Pour Homme for me.
Does it have Iso-E-Super - yes, a lot lighter than the Jubilation XXV (thank God).
Is it worth it - yes, even though it feels like another variation of ingredients that Amouage has previously released.

I was personally looking forward for the fragrance, and it certainly surpasses my expectations.
post #74 of 104
When and where is this available in the US, online preferably?
post #75 of 104
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I've spent a lot of time with this and realized that I had some major anosmia/hyperosmia issues early on.

Having worn it 20+ times now, with the last few finally cohering (the chemical sensitivity issues seem to have faded, finally, thank god!) I can comment a bit more on it.

I can see RSharma's comparison to Reflection, but there are some significant differences. The textures are very different - Reflection being thicker and more creamy/milky/opaque (shapeless, some say) whereas Beloved Man is more translucent and full of sparkle. They both have great iris notes, but the iris in Beloved - to my nose - is a fair bit different than Reflection's, which is woody and creamy. Here again, Beloved's seems more crystalline, with some lavender facets, and is like a cross between SL Gris Clair's iris/lavender and Dior Homme's iris/lavender. Actually, it shares something else in common with each of the scents; Beloved and Gris Clair share a similar peppery/woody quality, although it is less dry in Beloved and avoids the kind of burned/ashy quality that Gris Clair has. With Dior Homme, beloved shares a similar suede note - to me it smells soft and supple and conjures up a very very light beige hue.

While not smelling all that similar, it does share some semblance to Invasion Barbare too. Both feature grapefruit and cardamom and leather, both are classy and easy to wear, and I'd actually call both of them nu-geres. It also features an almost 'steam like' note similar to that of Sartorial, and has the sort of shimmering opalescent qualities of Amouage's own Opus II (with which it shares a number of notes).

Does this sound odd? Well, it's much more cohesive than it sounds, although it's still quite a kaleidoscopic scent with a slow but detectable evolution.

It's crystalline yellows and purples over a dark diaphonous wood/supple leather combo, with a few bitter and peppery elements along the way. Imo, it is brilliant how well the opposing elements are juxtaposed here; crystalline layers on top of dark patchouli and woods, a crisp and biting, slightly bitter vetiver/pepper/cardamom against the soft and smooth suede and subtle waxy jasmine, the resinous/waxy facets of elemi and grapefruit against the dry and dessicated cedar and pepper.

That being said, I do think it's not opulent in the way that many expect an Amouage to be. And it is, I agree, quite modern in smell, which might throw some for a loop. But it's worth testing because if you like it and it works on your skin - it is probably one of the most sensible Amouage's to own a full bottle of because of its extreme versatility and wearability. While some might write it off as too safe, I could see this becoming a favorite go to, all purpose scent for many people. The golden radiance of the citrus opening, the sparkle of the iris, that creamy leather against the slightly smoky vetiver in the base, ... it's got a lot more character than most "safe scents."

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Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post

Too bad. Is it powdery like a woman's perfume / Dior Homme ? Or like Burberry Brit / Prada Infusion Homme ? Or is it a very natural, rich powdery smell like Xerjoff Kobe ?

It's not powdery like a woman's perfume. The powder is more subdued. It's not as woody/smoky as Interlude but does have more spice going on - there's a ton of natural guaiac in this (so, creamy woody pepper), and that is blended seamlessly with the cardamom and I believe two types of vetiver (I get a bit of smoky indonesian and also some of the greener haitian vetiver). The way the powder, woods, iris and discrete jasmine come together, it has more of a powder/shave cream nu-gere vibe. More spicy and woody than them, though - at least until the laaate dry down, which is mostly a suede-like orris alongside a bit of remaining guaiac and a light patchouli. Not as creamy as Rive Gauche or Prada Amber.
post #76 of 104
Thanks so much for your sharing SoS I will be in Hongkong this March, and hope that I can get a Beloved Man bottle there.

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Thanks so much for your sharing SoS I will be in Hongkong this March, and hope that I can get a Beloved Man bottle there.
post #77 of 104
Ok peeps I had a chance to try out the new Beloved Man yesterday night. The fragrance concentration is very high for an EdP at 30-35% and the price is £265. Its exclusive to Harrods and the Lowndes Street Amouage boutique and has an amazing list of ingredients.

Top Notes:
Orange, grapefruit, neroli, cypress, elemi, clovebud, black pepper, cardamom

Heart Notes:
Geranium Bourbon, jasmine, orris, cumin, olibanum, labdanum, nutmeg, saffron

Basenotes:
Cedarwood Atlas, guaiac wood, leather, patchouli, vetiver, musk

The sample card it says:
"Beloved is a woody spicy oriental fragrance with top notes of black pepper and cardamom enhanced with rich floral in the heart. The selection of rich woods and resins in the base ads warmth and comfort to this distinctive fragrance"

As one can see from above there are a huge number of ingredients and thus I would say the fragrance would be very subjective to ones skin chemistry so please do take my humble opinion like a pinch of salt.
From the beginning it opened very warm, sweet and very spicy. The warmth and sweetness had almost tonka/coumarin like qualities making it almost gourmand. As there was so much going on in the perfume, I felt I had to put all my focus on my nose to isolate the notes and on deep inhalations I felt there was a sharp cardamom with the clovebud balancing the edges very lightly. A heavy pepper note was present which worked with the warm spicy notes. My nose could not trace any citrus although according to the above list they were there. Within the depth of this warm sweetness I could very lightly sense the freshness of frankincense in the background. Again there is way too much going on and all I get for now if I were to smell lightly is a tonka based oriental.
*After two hours the florals and woods come in to the forefront with the warm sweetness still there which has strangely changed in to a buttery soapiness. The cumin has now come and working very beautifully with the jasmine and now one can sense where all this warmth of this fragrance comes from.........its the cumin! The cumin is quite strong but the florals i.e. geranium and jasmine has tamed it so all one can sense is the warmth of this spice. Due to the cumin I cant sense the resins too much but I can sense their synergy with the florals. I can lightly sense something ever so slightly camphoric right at the back which may be producing all this sweetness......frankly I wish I knew.Now its a good 7 hours since I sprayed the perfume and I feel the whole composition has calmed down but still smelling quite sweet leaving behind a nice light trail of sweet musk which also had a strange but quite strong woody aquatic note. You may ask where does this aquatic note comes from, again honestly Ive no idea, as this is what I and those around me have perceived.
Overall Im impressed by the complexity of the composition and how certain ingredients work together in perfect synergy to create different accords, however it was not for me as it smelled almost quite generic for an Amouage. I feel as though it was going in the same direction as Interlude and possibly Reflection. Due to the huge number of ingredients in Beloved I can foresee this fragrance working very differently on others, however I feel on my self the cumin came out too much albeit it was tamed by the other notes and the sweetness was too tenacious and eventually was quite overwhelming.
post #78 of 104
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Where were those notes lists Sultanpasha? I've seen three different notes lists for this scent now - crazy!

I believe your list is right though. I definitely have noticed cumin and incense in the heart, and the geranium/incense/nutmeg/leather shares a bit of a similarity to Epic Man. All in all, Beloved is almost like a best of Amouage mashup. Very hard to pin this scent down - it behaves differently on me with almost every wearing.
post #79 of 104
SultanPasha's list of notes are spot on. I was always wondering what the spice is - and it is Cumin. Initially I get a sparkling Cumin Note (combination of the Orris and Cumin).
post #80 of 104
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In another perfume group I'm in I've been doing a kind of 'sniff-a-long' - posting my impressions with each wearing, and I've gotten cumin time and time again. Sometimes it's a bit much, other times it blend in seamlessly. Combined with the discrete jasmine, it definitely gives a sexy, human edge to the scent. It's not ostentatious though - clever actually, to hide those human elements in an otherwise classic (even a bit 'clean') masculine structure.
post #81 of 104
To me Beloved Man is definitely a chimera. It behaves slightly differently on me too depending on my body temperature...........got a dreaded fever! English fluctuating weather......go figure!
I obtained the notes above from the boutique and Harrods. Thought should research thoroughly before I put anything down on Basenotes.
post #82 of 104
I Love Amouage, but don't have the brand "loyalty" some people have...I think I will wait patiently for OPUS VII...
post #83 of 104
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To me Beloved Man is definitely a chimera. It behaves slightly differently on me too depending on my body temperature...........got a dreaded fever! English fluctuating weather......go figure!
I obtained the notes above from the boutique and Harrods. Thought should research thoroughly before I put anything down on Basenotes.

I think that notes list is accurate - it's just that it lists more notes than I've seen anywhere else. It helps to make sense of what I was smelling. I was thinking "Hmm, elemi doesn't usually last THIS long" - thus seeing olibanum listed cleared that up. The cumin thing, too, as well as the spices and cypress. Thanks for posting that more thorough list!
post #84 of 104
Anytime buddy :-)
post #85 of 104
I tried it today and am not impressed with it at all...

Beloved Man screams, "I'm a department store designer fragrance!" at a slightly more deafening tone than Reflection Man. While some have compared Reflection Man to Jean Paul Gaultier's Le Mâle, I was also able to detect a hint of that Reflection Man vibe in Beloved Man as well (and, yes, that aquatic nuance is certainly in the background). Unfortunately, it occasionally smells closer to another popular male designer fragrance from the '90s: Versace's Dreamer.

Every time I detected it on my skin, all I could think was, "Meh!" Now, that's extremely unusual for me when it comes to Amouage but, at the same time, the tide has been turning for quite a little while...

There's no sophistication, hardly any overt sign of Amouage's house note (frankincense), none of that luxurious association of yore and it's painfully devoid of anything artistically noteworthy. Overall, it smells like a ubiquitous designer fragrance best suited for clubbing. But, hey, what did you expect from a perfumer (Bernard Ellena) who has largely composed designer dreck for Jil Sander, Benetton, Davidoff (The Game), Biotherm, Guess, Ferrari, Jaguar, Mont Blanc and Versace?

Beloved Man continues the recent trend of Amouage betraying its own identity, by churning out designer-esque swill and then having the cheek of charging premium niche prices (the Honour duo, anyone?). Christopher Chong is obviously resting on his laurels (or possibly partying too hard, thus losing considerable focus), seeing to what extent he can get away with his complacency.

Amouage, you've really lost the plot... again. Don't waste your money on this overpriced trash.
post #86 of 104
Well I am intrigued by this one and will sample it at some point I hope, but my wallet would like to thank Trebor for pouring some cold water on it!
post #87 of 104
I see a general trend I the comments. This surely is different than jubilation, epic and interlude type scent but still smells rich. Is it expensive, surely it is but isn't other niche scents too.
post #88 of 104
Let me start by saying I am huge Amouage fan, I own full bottles of Memoir, XXV, Epic and Interlude. I have tried Beloved Men from a sample and I am so happy I don’t like it considering the price. Its smells very generic, like designer fragrance, reminds me a little DHS 2012 but of course its more complex than that. Definitely not worth full bottle purchase and perhaps doest deserve the name Amouage!
post #89 of 104
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Let me start by saying I am huge Amouage fan, I own full bottles of Memoir, XXV, Epic and Interlude. I have tried Beloved Men from a sample and I am so happy I don’t like it considering the price. Its smells very generic, like designer fragrance, reminds me a little DHS 2012 but of course its more complex than that. Definitely not worth full bottle purchase and perhaps doest deserve the name Amouage!

what a relief..deeply love Amouage but the price of this juice smells like rip off!
post #90 of 104
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I tried it today and am not impressed with it at all...

Beloved Man screams, "I'm a department store designer fragrance!" at a slightly more deafening tone than Reflection Man. While some have compared Reflection Man to Jean Paul Gaultier's Le Mâle, I was also able to detect a hint of that Reflection Man vibe in Beloved Man as well (and, yes, that aquatic nuance is certainly in the background). Unfortunately, it occasionally smells closer to another popular male designer fragrance from the '90s: Versace's Dreamer.

Every time I detected it on my skin, all I could think was, "Meh!" Now, that's extremely unusual for me when it comes to Amouage but, at the same time, the tide has been turning for quite a little while...

There's no sophistication, hardly any overt sign of Amouage's house note (frankincense), none of that luxurious association of yore and it's painfully devoid of anything artistically noteworthy. Overall, it smells like a ubiquitous designer fragrance best suited for clubbing. But, hey, what did you expect from a perfumer (Bernard Ellena) who has largely composed designer dreck for Jil Sander, Benetton, Davidoff (The Game), Biotherm, Guess, Ferrari, Jaguar, Mont Blanc and Versace?

Beloved Man continues the recent trend of Amouage betraying its own identity, by churning out designer-esque swill and then having the cheek of charging premium niche prices (the Honour duo, anyone?). Christopher Chong is obviously resting on his laurels (or possibly partying too hard, thus losing considerable focus), seeing to what extent he can get away with his complacency.

Amouage, you've really lost the plot... again. Don't waste your money on this overpriced trash.

Nice review and though I've never smelled it, I trust your nose and the mental picture you've painted is as if I've smelled it already. I won't even bother with a sample. Along with Killians water calligraphy line, the latest trend OS these houses have grown decadent.
post #91 of 104
It doesn't sound at all like I'm going to like Beloved man. I just have this image of a dated sueded floral unisex designer scent at EDP strength. Like if one were to mix masculine and feminine designer scents ,then add a huge dose of powdery floral and dusty wood. Totally uninspired. Reviews so far aren't helping to revoke that image. It seems like the attitude of the fragrance will be far too conservative and contrived, in all the wrong ways.

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Beloved Man continues the recent trend of Amouage betraying its own identity, by churning out designer-esque swill and then having the cheek of charging premium niche prices (the Honour duo, anyone?).

I agree they have seem to be releasing some scents that are insulting at their price point. Only EDP I've liked since Jubilation XXV has been Interlude man.

Honour man = "Chanel Allure Edition Blanche Poivre Extrême Et Cigarette". Honour woman could very easily be mistaken for a Bvlgari or Ysl women's scent, as most other amouage femme scents can. I think, that like Creed, Amouage are a male-centric house, whereas lines like Malle or L'Artisan are female-centric.
post #92 of 104
Ifra not helping?
post #93 of 104
I tried Amouage Gold vintage and found it different than the newer Gold. What did ifra change or is it just reformulation?
post #94 of 104
I don't know Honour woman, but in my books Honour man is in the three most luxurious scents I've come across in 25 years.
post #95 of 104
Amouage Gold has been reformulated, there is hardly any frankincense left in it, sadly. I quite liked Honour and Beloved for women, they don't seem cheap or designer to me.
post #96 of 104
Based on the price and early reviews, it just doesn't seem worth owning or sampling. Anything close to Interlude man is a no no for me.
post #97 of 104
It is not just the frankincense that was removed, it doesn't smell as rich. I am trying to buy the vintage this week and compare it to the sample i have. I will keep you posted.
post #98 of 104
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Not close to Interlude at all. Of Amouage's previous scents, it is closest to Opus II.

Dullah, I'm guessing you won't like it, no. I'm guessing most here and in the online fragrance community won't love it or find it FBW.

I find it odd in that yes, it has some 'mainstream' qualities, but enough richness and complexity (quite a bit, actually) and a few challenging notes (the cumin!) that I can't imagine it appealing to the mainstream audience, and yet is not that traditional Amouage that would appeal to the - er, traditional - Amouage fan.

It's sort of like Antidote in that regard - mainstream-ish but complex and weird. Less overtly pleasing than Antidote though. I still love it for what it is and am glad to have my large sample, but I wouldn't pay $425 for it.

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Btw, it is not Bernard Ellena who composed this, but Alexandra Carlin (a relatively new/younger perfumer. She did collaborate with Violane Collas on Honour Woman, so has a bit of prior experience with Amouage). I got this information directly from Christopher Chong.
post #99 of 104
although an amouage fan I will skip this one since its price is plain ludicrous! 'nuff said!
post #100 of 104
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Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post

Btw, it is not Bernard Ellena who composed this, but Alexandra Carlin (a relatively new/younger perfumer. She did collaborate with Violane Collas on Honour Woman, so has a bit of prior experience with Amouage). I got this information directly from Christopher Chong.

That's even worse - an inexperienced perfumer who has only previously worked with Amouage on... Honour Woman. Yikes!

If I knew this in the first place, I wouldn't have even bothered smelling it... *shudders*
post #101 of 104
Hehe - just posted elsewhere that attention to the composer is important imo
post #102 of 104
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Hehe - just posted elsewhere that attention to the composer is important imo

Not when other sources allegedly cited the wrong perfumer...

http://www.nstperfume.com/2013/02/28...new-fragrance/

http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/A...Man-17726.html

http://persolaise.blogspot.co.uk/201...-man-from.html
post #103 of 104
Oh dear....
post #104 of 104
Thread Starter 
Persolaise actually gets it right - his mention of Ellena was related to Beloved Woman, which Ellena did compose, and he mentions Alexandra Carlin later in the review (last paragraph.)

Not sure where the others got their info from.
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