hey Irina hello,
this post came as ordered because i really wanted to share my knew conclusions on that topic
i tried yesterday vintage shalimar
pure parfum, from 80s its not zig-zag box which is the best (forum consensus) , but its the gold box with black logo
and it was dissapointment!! top notes evaporated completely!..there is no opening, the scent is so depressed you can hardly notice it, in traces,
on the other hand i have put modern shalimar parfum
, its bright opening is almost the same as in modern EDP,that synthetic sharp bergamot you cant miss
, the base is more sunny, vanilla,creamy
! not so haylike, dary and dark like modern EDP....and that modern parfum is still behind vintage EDT
i have,which is from 80s in that special shape of bottle, the same as the best vintage juice PDT, which i believe is the best one to own!, but why obsessing?
if you go to ebay most of those stuff delivers only to USA, and there you can find them, Europe 0! you have high chance to stumble on fakes!
and here is my final judgment
after few months of thinking, i am new to perfume world but i am sure of this:30 years do make any perfume weaker
! its called enthropy...and whoever say you different it is not true
becasue none of those people know how it used to smell like, noone can make you side by side test, so there is no firm proof of anything
its only in peoples memories
, which is scientificaly proven not reliable
! you know it better then i
so i would say this, it is true vintage perfumes are better , they are originals worn by time decay
! so many comparisons come to my mind right now, many aspects to look: time decay
even if you like the style , you wear weaker version of it former self
like comparing modern art and the one only 100 years olde,
perfumes were more carefully built, were more complex, were more daring,perfumistas took much more time to build them (now they do it in 20 minutes)....today they all smell like what in the past was percieved for easy women -sweet (remember Tabu)
, just like modern art: you make black dot on big white area and this is art
, wheras you look at Chagal and you see this guy spent hours , days, months in analysis etc...(there are contemporaries who are great as well!not saying this)but in general today people live and work faster!
everything is done in a rush and with cheaper stuff (profit considerations
.....so that is the truth.....
and to learn the beauty of those perfumes you must dig for vintages...so you can imagine how it was when that perfume was fresh!! imagine the strength of modern perfume and then...apply what you smell in vintage , do the facelifting for yourself
but when you experience few of them i think one can imagine without smelling them as well
becasue you will never know how the original was!
and if you contemplate about wearing: i dont think that my vintage Shalimar EDT is best thing ever happened, its best thing from educational purposes and to understand the whole hype around vintage stuff! ineed perfumery of that age was different and you cant understand it from modern versions
, if i could have PDT from 80s i could go crazy maybe.....but my search would not stop there
there is allways something new to try and something better! the search is never over
hahahaha and if you want obsessing
you can do it whenever and with anything you like in this world
btw vintages do smell old fashioned
, i have vintage shalimar EDT, EDC (my friend told me i smell like grandpa), vintage Bal a versailles....i tried (thanks to some dear basnoters) vintage Joy EDT, vintage Mitsouko EDT, vintage L heure bleue, vintage Tabu, vintage Givenchy III, and some more....if you go for extraits it becomes so expencive and the risk is all yours
what is perfume without strong top notes? for me it is like a man without a head
it is beautiful.....but then again its too pricey for what it gives! sorry folks
modern versions , like replicas of originals,really try hard with much smaller number of ingredients to do the job and you notice it ofcourse! there is noone in this world who can stop time...
i would conclude
thinking vintage is something to die for is of ilusive nature and a bit of placebo
i just bought 5 small minies of pure perfumes and will report when i get them....but i did it out of pure curiosity i dont intend to secure quantities for wearing...and think that is the best way to go if you want to try them for educational purpose
check perfumed court
just one more image:
vintage is dress from 1880, preserved in a museum if lucky
, and modern formula is .....the same dress made from synthetic fabrics, usually
, so it has all the parts, you dont miss half of the shape! you just see its synthetic...some texture misses, it shines, its new thing of oldfashioned model
, such detailing you cant find today for sure! and the devil is in the details
and as perfumista you know best what notes are hit the most....i have noticed it on civet note , and animalic notes that are kind of hit the most.....vintages shine less bright, have more details that come from natural ingredients, modern versions must have less ingredients
but that vintage shalimar parfume, and his civet note
hm....its really not something to rave about!!
its not 100% better or should i say worth the pricetag
.....but i agree if you never smell vintage you may miss the beauty! that happened to me, until i smelled proper vintage EDT i did not like Shalimar!
did not like it!....modern synthetic bergamot is killing me
what to check? well i think there are some books on vintage perfumes, who list their ingredients as well....i would go with everything that was made until 1990s
vintages are usually something considered at least 20 years old...