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post #1 of 37
2/14/13 at 12:16pm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21459240

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post #2 of 37
2/14/13 at 12:30pm
Heard about this on the radio this morning.
post #3 of 37
2/14/13 at 12:32pm
Yeah, I posted in the other thread about this. Really coincidental with the fragrance's name. I'm guessing Mugler will make sure to remove any lingering mentions of it from their website.
post #4 of 37
2/14/13 at 12:48pm
Thanks for the info.
post #5 of 37
2/14/13 at 1:01pm
Tragic...
post #6 of 37
2/14/13 at 1:07pm
He must have not liked his gift. Can't say I blame him if it was a bottle of Pure Shot.
post #7 of 37
2/14/13 at 1:14pm
Horrible, horrible story. My heart goes out to the family of the victim. The more I read about what happened, the less it seems like a case of mistaken for an intruder. I just told my wife what happened and showed her Pistorius on the box of my Pure Shot. She was as shocked as I was. I really hope justice gets served in this.
post #8 of 37
2/14/13 at 1:19pm
^ The whole intruder alibi is bologna. Wasn't she shot like 6 times? How could you mistake your girlfriend for an intruder, and then shoot her 6 times? Is this guy blind too?

Edit: sorry, she was shot 4 times.
post #9 of 37
2/14/13 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

^ The whole intruder alibi is bologna. Wasn't she shot like 6 times? How could you mistake your girlfriend for an intruder, and then shoot her 6 times? Is this guy blind too?

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. Especially after reading this from the BBC:
They found paramedics treating a 29-year-old woman with four gunshot wounds to the head and upper body.


Horrible.
post #10 of 37
2/14/13 at 3:53pm
Deserves what he gets
post #11 of 37
2/14/13 at 4:42pm
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The police appear to have distanced themselves from the "he thought it was an intruder" line. They also confirmed in a press conference that they had attended their house a number of times before for "allegations of a domestic nature". Sounds like a man who had a very different side to his public image.

First and foremost, i'm devastated for the woman's family, but i'm also worried for what affect this might have on disability sport as a whole throughout the world. If there was a face of disability sport, it was Pistorious. He was box office.
post #12 of 37
2/14/13 at 10:51pm
Yeah, what's even more strange/eerie, is that he once tweeted back in late November the following:

Nothing like getting home to hear the washing machine on and thinking its an intruder to go into full combat recon mode into the pantry! waa

Wonder if he was planning this for a while. That would make him even more of a psycho. Either way, it's not looking good for him and I hope he doesn't just get a slap-on-the-wrist 20 year sentence, but something more harsh.
post #13 of 37
2/15/13 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

^ The whole intruder alibi is bologna. Wasn't she shot like 6 times? How could you mistake your girlfriend for an intruder, and then shoot her 6 times? Is this guy blind too?

Edit: sorry, she was shot 4 times.

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It has been claimed that Pistorius will plead he mistook her for a burglar, and a South Africa media report on Friday reported he shot four times through a bathroom door.

Not a guy in whose house one would want to live/use the washroom, it seems.
post #14 of 37
2/15/13 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

^ The whole intruder alibi is bologna. Wasn't she shot like 6 times? How could you mistake your girlfriend for an intruder, and then shoot her 6 times? Is this guy blind too?

Edit: sorry, she was shot 4 times.

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Originally Posted by Scentologist View Post

Deserves what he gets

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Originally Posted by QWERTYOP View Post

The police appear to have distanced themselves from the "he thought it was an intruder" line. They also confirmed in a press conference that they had attended their house a number of times before for "allegations of a domestic nature". Sounds like a man who had a very different side to his public image.

First and foremost, i'm devastated for the woman's family, but i'm also worried for what affect this might have on disability sport as a whole throughout the world. If there was a face of disability sport, it was Pistorious. He was box office.

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Originally Posted by CaliDude View Post

Yeah, what's even more strange/eerie, is that he once tweeted back in late November the following:

Nothing like getting home to hear the washing machine on and thinking its an intruder to go into full combat recon mode into the pantry! waa

Wonder if he was planning this for a while. That would make him even more of a psycho. Either way, it's not looking good for him and I hope he doesn't just get a slap-on-the-wrist 20 year sentence, but something more harsh.

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Remember that you are reading something that isn't the truth but merely a representation thereof and a subjective one at that. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I think you should keep in mind the context. I am South African and it can be a very scary place to live. You have no idea of the fear many people deal with. It's not something you really notice until you live in a place that is much safer. If you came home in the middle of the night and weren't expecting anyone to be there, you might also shoot first and ask questions later. Pistorius apparently does target shooting therefore he probably managed to get the shots off very quickly before he realised what was happening. It's plausible although I'm not saying he didn't shoot her on purpose. I think all guns should be banned in any case.

In the end it's a tragedy, I think South Africa must be reeling, it's a country that desperately needs heroes and positivity. Of course the woman's death is the greatest tragedy in the whole scenario.
post #15 of 37
2/15/13 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by chopwet View Post

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Remember that you are reading something that isn't the truth but merely a representation thereof and a subjective one at that. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I think you should keep in mind the context. I am South African and it can be a very scary place to live. You have no idea of the fear many people deal with. It's not something you really notice until you live in a place that is much safer. If you came home in the middle of the night and weren't expecting anyone to be there, you might also shoot first and ask questions later. Pistorius apparently does target shooting therefore he probably managed to get the shots off very quickly before he realised what was happening. It's plausible although I'm not saying he didn't shoot her on purpose. I think all guns should be banned in any case.

In the end it's a tragedy, I think South Africa must be reeling, it's a country that desperately needs heroes and positivity. Of course the woman's death is the greatest tragedy in the whole scenario.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty 100%. If you look at that post again, I only repeated facts.
post #16 of 37
2/15/13 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by chopwet View Post

Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Remember that you are reading something that isn't the truth but merely a representation thereof and a subjective one at that. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I think you should keep in mind the context. I am South African and it can be a very scary place to live. You have no idea of the fear many people deal with. It's not something you really notice until you live in a place that is much safer. If you came home in the middle of the night and weren't expecting anyone to be there, you might also shoot first and ask questions later. Pistorius apparently does target shooting therefore he probably managed to get the shots off very quickly before he realised what was happening. It's plausible although I'm not saying he didn't shoot her on purpose. I think all guns should be banned in any case.

In the end it's a tragedy, I think South Africa must be reeling, it's a country that desperately needs heroes and positivity. Of course the woman's death is the greatest tragedy in the whole scenario.

Could not have said it better, no need to be trigger-happy and go to lynch-mode without uncovering the facts. And I doubt this thread has its place in the Male Fragrance Discussion forum. If he is proven to be guilty, he will no doubt get what becomes him.
post #17 of 37
2/15/13 at 10:18am
The facts as they are, do not look good for him, and they haven't named any other suspects. We're allowed to speculate. Regardless of whether he thought she was an intruder or not, he shot her, and she died. He should be more responsible with his guns.

And I hope you'll rethink your stance on guns. If you still lived in South Africa, would you not want to have a gun to protect yourself and your family?
post #18 of 37
2/16/13 at 4:12am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

The facts as they are, do not look good for him, and they haven't named any other suspects. We're allowed to speculate. Regardless of whether he thought she was an intruder or not, he shot her, and she died. He should be more responsible with his guns.

And I hope you'll rethink your stance on guns. If you still lived in South Africa, would you not want to have a gun to protect yourself and your family?

Yes the fact is he shot her and tragically, she is dead, that is all we know for certain. The circumstances will be uncovered with time. Media 'facts' are blindly spread by too many people without any critical thought. The media does paint a very bleak picture for him. It's all very upsetting.

If you've ever studied criminology and statistics you would know that the chances of being shot are much higher when you own a gun. I lived in SA for a long time, most of my life, and as long as you are careful you will be ok. Like any country in the world there are certain areas that are dodgy, where you have to keep your wits about you.

I don't want to get into the whole gun ownership debate but owning a gun for self protection is proven not to be the answer to the very real problems that lead to violence in the first place. Switzerland often gets used as an example, but that is a fallacy. One need only look at the USA and the violent mass shootings that occur there all too often to understand that guns =/= safety. Countries where gun ownership is illegal tend to have very low violent crime rates.

Back to perfume. I wonder what Thierry Mugler will do about this?

post #19 of 37
2/16/13 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by chopwet View Post

Back to perfume. I wonder what Thierry Mugler will do about this?

I checked the Mugler USA website, it looks like they've completely pulled the Pure Shot product. All pages that referenced Pure Shot take me to a Page Not Found message. It looks like Pure Shot is no longer officially on the market.
post #20 of 37
2/16/13 at 1:22pm
Tragic story and I am truly saddened. The court of public opinion has certainally found him guilty as charged. Will have to await the actual judges opinion to find out more. Pretty sensational press thus far, however.
post #21 of 37
2/16/13 at 2:11pm
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One need only look at the USA and the violent mass shootings that occur there all too often to understand that guns =/= safety. Countries where gun ownership is illegal tend to have very low violent crime rates.

Not exactly. You can find statistics to support both sides of the argument. For example, guns are illegal in the UK, but Britain was just named the most violent country in the EU. When guns were banned in the UK, there was actually a rise in violent crime. Britain's rate of violent crime is higher than that of the USA, and believe it or not, South Africa.

As far as the USA goes, Illinois and the District of Columbia have some of the most strict gun laws in the country and both are plagued by gun violence. A gun ban in Chicago did nothing to curtail gun violence as Chicago now has the highest murder rate in the US. If I lived in one of these areas, I would definitely exercise my right to own a firearm.

Banning all guns is not the answer.
post #22 of 37
2/16/13 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

Not exactly. You can find statistics to support both sides of the argument. For example, guns are illegal in the UK, but Britain was just named the most violent country in the EU. When guns were banned in the UK, there was actually a rise in violent crime. Britain's rate of violent crime is higher than that of the USA, and believe it or not, South Africa.

As far as the USA goes, Illinois and the District of Columbia have some of the most strict gun laws in the country and both are plagued by gun violence. A gun ban in Chicago did nothing to curtail gun violence as Chicago now has the highest murder rate in the US. If I lived in one of these areas, I would definitely exercise my right to own a firearm.

Banning all guns is not the answer.

I'm sad to say that I agree with you.
Better to live in a country with no guns in my view, but if you don't then it's quite understandable that someone would arm themselves, especially in inner city USA.
post #23 of 37
2/16/13 at 2:24pm
I wonder if this will affect Pure Shot prices?
post #24 of 37
2/16/13 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post

I wonder if this will affect Pure Shot prices?

I was wondering the same thing. It might become a bit of a collector's item now.

I won't continue the gun debate from my side since it's derailing the thread and is against forum rules.
post #25 of 37
2/16/13 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post

I wonder if this will affect Pure Shot prices?

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Especially if Mugler has no plans of bringing it back. If they do bring it back, it will probably be completely rebranded, maybe even have a different name.
post #26 of 37
2/16/13 at 5:15pm
Hold on... am I the only one who just realized how bad this is? The fragrance is called "Pure Shot"...

Talk about some seriously unfortunate foreshadowing...
post #27 of 37
2/16/13 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post

Hold on... am I the only one who just realized how bad this is? The fragrance is called "Pure Shot"...

Talk about some seriously unfortunate foreshadowing...

If you think that's bad, someone brought up an interesting pic of a Nike ad campaign. Here it is:
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/oscar-...he-chamber.jpg

At first I thought that was a spoof, but apparently that was the actual ad! Unbelievable.
post #28 of 37
2/16/13 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by The Smelly Scientist View Post

I wonder if this will affect Pure Shot prices?

It's a complete disappointment. Unless they reformulate it into something more interesting then it's going to wind up in the bargain bins. It looks like most retailers are already unloading their inventory of it.
post #29 of 37
2/16/13 at 7:38pm
I have my bottle so if it's taken off the market - no worries.
post #30 of 37
2/16/13 at 8:56pm
Oh wait Pure "Shot" now I get it lol
post #31 of 37
2/16/13 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by CaliDude View Post

If you think that's bad, someone brought up an interesting pic of a Nike ad campaign. Here it is:
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/oscar-...he-chamber.jpg

At first I thought that was a spoof, but apparently that was the actual ad! Unbelievable.

LOL I know, I saw that too... These ad agencies have to wise up with all of the athletes committing violent crimes these days...
post #32 of 37
2/16/13 at 9:36pm
Tragic and won't rush to judgement as that's not my call and being in a different country, the coverage is often skewed.

I will say though that I highly doubt Pure Shot will become a collector's item. By all accounts its a mediocre fragrance at best and while it does have its fans, I doubt anyone is making this their signature scent like Pure Havane or Pure Malt.

If anything Mugler now has the opportunity to hopefully reformulate and rebrand it into something better for the "Pure" line.
post #33 of 37
2/17/13 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

Not exactly. You can find statistics to support both sides of the argument. For example, guns are illegal in the UK, but Britain was just named the most violent country in the EU. When guns were banned in the UK, there was actually a rise in violent crime. Britain's rate of violent crime is higher than that of the USA, and believe it or not, South Africa.

As far as the USA goes, Illinois and the District of Columbia have some of the most strict gun laws in the country and both are plagued by gun violence. A gun ban in Chicago did nothing to curtail gun violence as Chicago now has the highest murder rate in the US. If I lived in one of these areas, I would definitely exercise my right to own a firearm.

Banning all guns is not the answer.

And yet we don't feel the need to "defend" our property with guns. Funny that... More people die due to gun violence PER DAY in America than do over a TWO YEAR period in the UK. If you believe the UK is a less safe place to live than America or SA, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
post #34 of 37
2/17/13 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

Britain's rate of violent crime is higher than that of the USA, and believe it or not, South Africa.

Find that hard to believe, esp the latter part. Unless the TV shows about the crime in these countries, their prisons and ghettos is propaganda that is fed to us lol.
post #35 of 37
2/17/13 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by JiveHippo View Post

Not exactly. You can find statistics to support both sides of the argument. For example, guns are illegal in the UK, but Britain was just named the most violent country in the EU. When guns were banned in the UK, there was actually a rise in violent crime. Britain's rate of violent crime is higher than that of the USA, and believe it or not, South Africa.

As far as the USA goes, Illinois and the District of Columbia have some of the most strict gun laws in the country and both are plagued by gun violence. A gun ban in Chicago did nothing to curtail gun violence as Chicago now has the highest murder rate in the US. If I lived in one of these areas, I would definitely exercise my right to own a firearm.

Banning all guns is not the answer.

It's not a competition but I very much doubt that the violent crime rate in the UK is higher than it is in SA or even the USA for that matter. Unless the definitions of violent crime are very different. Maybe it's better to look at homicide rates. How many mass murders have there been in the UK over the last ten years?

You do see the problem don't you? You can't have a gun ban in one city or state when just a few miles down the road (Michigan for example) the gun laws are very lax. You need a nation-wide ban.

Anyway, it is an eerily strange coincidence that he is the face of Pure Shot
post #36 of 37
2/17/13 at 5:10am
I read in the paper that it appears he shot her through a door. That might help some of those who are so keen to jump to conclusions answer the question "how did he not realise it was his wife?"
post #37 of 37
2/17/13 at 6:21am
Getting political again.
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