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I cant believe people think Cool Water smells like Green Irish Tweed

post #1 of 53
3/17/13 at 11:38pm
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It just blows my mind.
I got a bottle of Cool water as gift just today and put some on just to see if it really smells like GIT as people say.
Within 3 minutes, I started getting nauseated and wanted to throw up. I cant believe people think this garbage smells like the heavenly Green irish Tweed. This thing is worse than Yatagan.
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post #2 of 53
3/17/13 at 11:42pm
Cool water is just more synthetic but I think it is very similar.
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post #3 of 53
3/17/13 at 11:50pm
They go different direction on drydown but on top notes they smell very similiar especially from distance.
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post #4 of 53
3/17/13 at 11:54pm
Which people? Do you always believe everything you read?

I happen to like Cool Water, better than I do Green Irish Tweed honestly speaking. But I don't know about the current formulation of CW though.
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post #5 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:34am
CW has an interesting but unpleasant note clash to me (Lancaster version). It also has a candy-like quality (quite sweet), unlike GIT, but in general I don't know how violet leaf and iris get confused with neroli, rosemary, etc., even without that quality! Now the Coty CW is more blended and less crisp, so I can understand some saying the drydown of that one is not too far from GIT, though to me it is too muddled, unlike GIT, at that point (GIT is muskier too).
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post #6 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:41am
I have worn both and actually like CW better than GIT. Not by much, but a little bit.

As far as similarity I find them to be very very very close in smell.
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post #7 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:45am
edi
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post #8 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:55am
I like both and detect more than a passing resemblance.
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post #9 of 53
3/18/13 at 1:44am
This territory has been covered many times before but the superior smelling original vintage Cool Water smells quite similar to Green Irish Tweed, IMO. That said, the current Cool Water is far from the "garbage" you describe it to be. Each to their own.
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post #10 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:21am
Dude, you must have gotten a bad batch b/c despite the Creed worshipers denials, CW and GIT are very similar. TRUE the vintage CW was more similar to GIT, but Almost every time I wear GIT, someone comes up to me and says "Oh, I LOVE Cool Water" and I have to tell them it isn't. Your dramatic "Vomiting" reaction sounds psychosomatic.
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post #11 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by Diogenes65 View Post

Dude, you must have gotten a bad batch b/c despite the Creed worshipers denials, CW and GIT are very similar. TRUE the vintage CW was more similar to GIT, but Almost every time I wear GIT, someone comes up to me and says "Oh, I LOVE Cool Water" and I have to tell them it isn't. Your dramatic "Vomiting" reaction sounds psychosomatic.

I totally agree
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post #12 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:30am
Yep, they do smell alike, with Cool Water built to a price. If my fragrance budget was more restricted I'd buy and wear Cool Water with pride, it's great stuff... Just not as great as GIT!
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post #13 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:30am
I agree - I own both. I wouldn't do if I thought they were the same fragrance. They go in completely different directions.
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post #14 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:48am
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Originally Posted by Attila View Post

It just blows my mind.
I got a bottle of Cool water as gift just today and put some on just to see if it really smells like GIT as people say.
Within 3 minutes, I started getting nauseated and wanted to throw up. I cant believe people think this garbage smells like the heavenly Green irish Tweed. This thing is worse than Yatagan.

You are in the minority. I love them both. Always preferred CW until very recently. Both = Classics
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post #15 of 53
3/18/13 at 3:00am
The modern CW water isn't all that close in my opinion. The vintage stuff was much more natural and better balanced, which made it a better comparison to GIT.
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post #16 of 53
3/18/13 at 3:14am
I think they smell quite different especially on the dry down. GIT has a sort of complex, ambient fizz to it compared to Cool Water's blunt calone assault.
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post #17 of 53
3/18/13 at 4:04am
I own and enjoy both.
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post #18 of 53
3/18/13 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by Attila View Post

It just blows my mind.
I got a bottle of Cool water as gift just today and put some on just to see if it really smells like GIT as people say.
Within 3 minutes, I started getting nauseated and wanted to throw up. I cant believe people think this garbage smells like the heavenly Green irish Tweed. This thing is worse than Yatagan.


I have to agree. I am not really a fan of GIT, but I do appreciate it is very good at what it does. Cool Water though to me is absolute piss, and is one of the few scents that I really will not tolerate. (I have tried 3 or 4 times thinking it must have been a bad day, but no, same every go)
I should maybe add that I have never tried vintage formulation though.
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post #19 of 53
3/18/13 at 5:17am
CW is really a comforting scent to me, and of course a very good alternative to GIT.
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post #20 of 53
3/18/13 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by Spoombung View Post

Cool Water's blunt calone assault.

Except of course there is no calone in Cool Water.
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post #21 of 53
3/18/13 at 5:32am
The top notes smell similar, but then they go in different directions IMO.
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post #22 of 53
3/18/13 at 5:37am
Cool Water's similarities are in drydown. They both have some key similarities and key differences.

I prefer Green Irish Tweed, but I also like Cool Water a lot.
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post #23 of 53
3/18/13 at 5:48am
The DNA of CW to GIT is 94%

Honestly I detest both. I am much more partial to Chez Bond because it has some creamy vibe to it which I enjoy!
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post #24 of 53
3/18/13 at 6:35am
I agree Attila. I still detest Cool Water after multiple wearings spaced at long intervals. The comparison of CW to GIT deterred me from trying GIT for the longest time until I finally included a sample of GIT in my last order. Upon trying the GIT I was amazed at how different they really are. I sense only a vague,slight similarity. I now love GIT despite my strong dislike of CW.
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post #25 of 53
3/18/13 at 6:47am
Now try Aspen by Coty - it's a quarter of the price of even CW and is somewhere between CW and GIT in terms of fragrance and quality IMHO!
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post #26 of 53
3/18/13 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by Jojo Lapin X View Post

Except of course there is no calone in Cool Water.

Really? That's surprising.
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post #27 of 53
3/18/13 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post

Which people? Do you always believe everything you read?

I happen to like Cool Water, better than I do Green Irish Tweed honestly speaking. But I don't know about the current formulation of CW though.

Agree. I'm the same way. My 1998 bottle of CW smells way better than GIT.
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post #28 of 53
3/18/13 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by noirdrakkar View Post

Cool Water's similarities are in drydown. They both have some key similarities and key differences.

I prefer Green Irish Tweed, but I also like Cool Water a lot.

I find them very similar in the heart, but to me the opening and especially the dry down is where GIT earns it's money. I do like both and they both serve different purposes, but in the end they accomplish the same thing which is they both smell great.
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post #29 of 53
3/18/13 at 7:22am
Please note since 1988 Cool Water had at least two reformulations.
The 1988 vintage is somewhat different (much better) from the modern one, huh?

By the way: Cool Water is a Monument to Calone (a molecule discoverd in the Sixties by Pfizer, very similar to sea breeze)....
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post #30 of 53
3/18/13 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Andrè Moreau View Post

By the way: Cool Water is a Monument to Calone (a molecule discoverd in the Sixties by Pfizer, very similar to sea breeze)....

Cool Water has no more calone in it than, say, Grey Flannel, a very similar fragrance. It is not an aquatic. I think possibly the name and the color of the bottle are deceiving people into thinking it is one.
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post #31 of 53
3/18/13 at 7:55am
I don't know anything about Cool Water's various formulations. When I smell it now, I get a fragrance that reminds me of GIT, but is not a clone of GIT. It's not repulsive, but I wouldn't wear it.

If I had to wear a cheapo green scent, it would be Aspen, which doesn't smell bad at all.
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post #32 of 53
3/18/13 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by drseid View Post

This territory has been covered many times before but the superior smelling original vintage Cool Water smells quite similar to Green Irish Tweed, IMO. That said, the current Cool Water is far from the "garbage" you describe it to be. Each to their own.

CW was quite different back in the day. I have only quickly tested the current CW and immediately noted that it is severely diluted compared with the 90s stuff. It only makes sense that a company would slowly dilute and cheapen materials over the years to reduce overhead.

You can tell that CW is a copy of GIT and I can see how people would confuse them in passing.
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post #33 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:32pm
They are both good, but I prefer GIT to the current CW formulation. Chez Bond is very good too, on par with GIT in my eyes.
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post #34 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:36pm
I am not sure if its been reformulated but when I wore Cool Water in the 90s it was much denser and had an overall richer smell to my nose. I would say that the 90s Cool Water smells much closer to GIT than the version I have smelled in the last couple of years.
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post #35 of 53
3/18/13 at 12:54pm
I cant believe you cant smell the similarities. I do agree that CW is much more synthetic though
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post #36 of 53
3/18/13 at 2:54pm
Most scents are worse than Yatagan.
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post #37 of 53
3/18/13 at 3:26pm
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I totally agree

+1

And I have both.
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post #38 of 53
3/19/13 at 1:45am
I can't believe that one experienced Basenoter once wrote that GIT smelled too much like Cool Water.
I've spent the last 8 or 9 years wondering what I was thinking at the time.
Cheers,
Renato
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post #39 of 53
3/19/13 at 2:04am
Well, honestly - hard to tell GIT and CW apart. Yes, GIT is a bit more complex and somehow warmer in the drydown, but even for a trained nose they smell quite similar. I personally do not like either of them, i got a bottle of CW as a gift and ended up using it as deodorant for my car, and as such CW is truly superb
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post #40 of 53
3/19/13 at 2:09am
I agree, the vintage Cool Water and the modern one are quite different, so someone could say "this is similar to..." mentioning another fragrance.


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Originally Posted by FISS80 View Post

I am not sure if its been reformulated but when I wore Cool Water in the 90s it was much denser and had an overall richer smell to my nose. I would say that the 90s Cool Water smells much closer to GIT than the version I have smelled in the last couple of years.
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post #41 of 53
3/19/13 at 8:28am
GIT came first -- Pierre Bourdon created a cheaper version in 1988 and filled his boots. Chez Bond is an out and out rip of them both.

I wouldn't wear any of them, but more people like them than dislike.

Do we need another thread about this?
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post #42 of 53
3/19/13 at 8:50am
Like GIT or hate it, Like CW or hate it...these are just opinions, everyone is entitled to one...BUT there is NO WAY an even semi-experienced nose could say they smell nothing alike...that is just GIT cheer-leading...
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post #43 of 53
3/19/13 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by lupo View Post

...even for a trained nose they smell quite similar...

This is a specific claim and when you make such a claim you need to cite at least one person who you view as a "trained nose" and who has said this "on the record," IMO. Otherwise, it sounds like you are just fabricating things to strengthen your notion. Yes, GIT and CW may have quite a bit of dihydromyrcenol, but so do a huge amount of other scents! The "trained noses" would be the people who generated the note pyramids, and they are quite different for these two scents. Moreover, I clearly smell the neroli, rosemary, and tobacco in CW (Lancaster version), but these notes are not in GIT (which has the iris, unlike CW). Saying these two are very similar would mean you can say perhaps 100 others are also very similar, which would be a rather unhelpful claim, again, IMO.

NOTE: I am no "Creed fan boy" and don't think GIT is anything great or special. I've tried at least a dozen of their scents and think the company is highly overrated here at BN.
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post #44 of 53
3/19/13 at 6:47pm
1.) I think it smells very much like Green Irish Tweed (both made by Pierre Bourdon [not that that really matters], both have a similar structure [dihydromercenol, apple, ambroxide maybe] and tonality). 2.) I think Yatagan is wonderful.
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post #45 of 53
3/19/13 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by treeman5823 View Post

1.) I think it smells very much like Green Irish Tweed (both made by Pierre Bourdon [not that that really matters], both have a similar structure [dihydromercenol, apple, ambroxide maybe] and tonality). 2.) I think Yatagan is wonderful.

Could you explain what you mean by tonality? And why do you think GIT has an apple note?

See: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/228...p-Very-Similar

Note that in a recent review of Nautica Voyage I mentioned that that apple note was obvious in the Lancaster version if I just took the cap off the bottle !.

And I think what a lot of people miss is how sweet CW is relative to GIT. In retrospect, as a newbie, I had very little perception of sweetness in scents.
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post #46 of 53
3/19/13 at 7:14pm
I have a hard time believing people don't think Cool Water smells similar to Green Irish Tweed.

They're both good in their own right. I prefer Green Irish Tweed while my dad prefers Cool Water.
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post #47 of 53
3/19/13 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by MrFragranceReview View Post

I have a hard time believing people don't think Cool Water smells similar to Green Irish Tweed.

They're both good in their own right. I prefer Green Irish Tweed while my dad prefers Cool Water.

Yes, compared to vintage Kouros you are correct, but not when one detects many of the notes listed and also has a good sense of sweetness. GIT is also muskier in the drydown. If you go to an Amazon tribe that has never seen a car and show them a 4 door Hyundai and a 4 door BMW of the same colors, they will likely think they are just about the same thing, right?

The point is that this is not an "objective" situation. We are not all able to detect notes with the same proficiency, nor do we have the same tastes. To some people CW and GIT probably smell exactly the same. Some people say that Kouros smells like a public lavatory in desperate need of a cleaning. To them it does smell like that, and at one time I think I would have agreed.

Okay so where do we go from here? The notes listed are very different and that's what I smell, along with a lot more sweetness from CW. However, if you can't smell the rosemary, neroli, tobacco, and other notes that are in CW but not GIT, then why are you telling people who can that they are "wrong?" Isn't that rather presumptuous? If someone tells you that to them an apple and a pear taste nearly the same, they are not wrong, but you know they taste quite differently to you. If they tell you that you should think that they taste the same, there is something wrong with how that person perceives the world !
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post #48 of 53
3/19/13 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post

Could you explain what you mean by tonality? And why do you think GIT has an apple note?

And I think what a lot of people miss is how sweet CW is relative to GIT

Tonality: the character of a piece as defined by the key it is in. To me, both GIT and CW are played in the same key, if you will. To answer your second question, I feel GIT does have an apple note, just not as spritely or green as is CW's. And yes, CW is sweet: I attribute this to a good deal of coumarin.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, does anyone smell corn tortillas in Cool Water's drydown? Delicious.
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post #49 of 53
3/19/13 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by hednic View Post

I own and enjoy both.

I love the brevity of your responses.
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post #50 of 53
3/19/13 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post

Yes, compared to vintage Kouros you are correct, but not when one detects many of the notes listed and also has a good sense of sweetness. GIT is also muskier in the drydown. If you go to an Amazon tribe that has never seen a car and show them a 4 door Hyundai and a 4 door BMW of the same colors, they will likely think they are just about the same thing, right?

I don't think anyone is arguing that they're identical or one is not made up of higher quality ingriedients. The argument is if Cool Water and Green Irish Tweed smell similar. It's a rather simple, yes. It's pretty hard to argue against that considering the massive amount of people that seem to agree, mistaking one for the other constantly and the entire reason this thread was created.
Even though fragrance is subjective, it's only subjective to a point. I have never heard of anyone mentioning that Kouros is similar to A*Men. They may share a note or two but, being similar scents are something they are not.
Cool Water and Green Irish Tweed is an entirely different story and they're far more similar in comparison than say, a BMW and a Hyundai. It would be fair to say I don't think even the Amazon people would mistake a BMW and a Hyundai for one another even if they've never seen a car. Even children would don't understand the differences in the value of those cars still understand the difference in quality and the differences in visual appeal of the two.

We all recall those fake imitation off brand Oreos and how they weren't as good as the real thing. But, were they similar? Yup.
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post #51 of 53
3/28/13 at 11:20am
I think that coolwater smells more synthetic but only to the trained nose
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post #52 of 53
3/28/13 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by diogenes65 View Post

dude, you must have gotten a bad batch b/c despite the creed worshipers denials, cw and git are very similar. True the vintage cw was more similar to git, but almost every time i wear git, someone comes up to me and says "oh, i love cool water" and i have to tell them it isn't. Your dramatic "vomiting" reaction sounds psychosomatic.

^^^^this^^^^
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post #53 of 53
3/28/13 at 2:18pm
I think this could have been posted to any GIT thread instead of starting a new thread.
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