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  1. #121

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    Very good Thread. I love it. Brother would you like to help me in my bath soap perfume i mean which essential oils should i use in as my base note note, middle note and top note to make bath soap. For e.g like safeguard soap or any other soap. Your early Reply will be appreciable.

    Thank You.
    Last edited by ebdul; 30th March 2013 at 10:16 AM.

  2. #122

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  3. #123

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    This is great information for a newbie like me. Just started out in pursuing my interest in perfume business. Thanks for sharing.

  4. #124

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    First post so please forgive me if I'm not posting in the right spot. :0)
    Quetsion: I'm trying to create a 100% organic spray perfume. Can I mix organic fractionated coconut oil and organic 80 proof vodka as carriers? I was hoping this would dilute the oil enough to make the perfume sprayable without clogging, and also prolong shelf life. If this sounds right, what ratio of essential oils, fractionated coconut, and organic vodka should I use, and will mixing fractionated coconut and vodka actually prolong shelf life? Thanks so much for any help!!! :0)

  5. #125

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    Thank you so much for this wonderful article !
    I am just starting to teach classes on how to make perfume, and this add somes great basic information.
    Well done!

  6. #126

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    Great information. What is the shelf life of coconut oil, I want to use it as carrier.

    Regds-Javed

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    Thank you for the information. I just started getting into making my own fragrances using EO's and this totally helps.

  8. #128

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsmcgoo View Post
    First post so please forgive me if I'm not posting in the right spot. :0)
    Quetsion: I'm trying to create a 100% organic spray perfume. Can I mix organic fractionated coconut oil and organic 80 proof vodka as carriers? I was hoping this would dilute the oil enough to make the perfume sprayable without clogging, and also prolong shelf life. If this sounds right, what ratio of essential oils, fractionated coconut, and organic vodka should I use, and will mixing fractionated coconut and vodka actually prolong shelf life? Thanks so much for any help!!! :0)
    Coconut oil will not mix with ethanol. The usual concentration of a fragrance for personal use is between 15.0% to 20.0%.

  9. #129

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    Hi, i am from Turkey.I try to make own my parfume with some naturel oils and alcohol.But i couldn't find good smells which are matched.Are there anybody for help me to find an ideal notes for man or woman.I have jasmine,cedar,sandalwood,melissa,lemon,apricot seel,turbentine,coconut,bergamot,melon,ylang ylang,lavender,juniperberry,cocoa,strawberry,lily, rose,argan,orange oils.How can i prepare a good,pretty or sexy,powerfull,fresh etc. smells?

    Can you help me? It doesn't have to be complex smells and fragrance or a Professional fragrance but i try to make it for days and any of that aren't good as i want.

    Can you give me simple formulas to prepare own my and my wifes fragrance?

    Please help me,i am so stressfull and i couldn't do anything.I spend a lot of money to buy this oils but there isn't any good smell.

    Help me please.

    I am waiting all of yours helps for good smell sharing with me in private or general messages.

    Thanks.

  10. #130

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    Please see the reply to your earlier thread
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/380...=1#post3147236

  11. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by fennec View Post
    I am curious if anyone knows how to create the scent of human sweat? I have heard that cumin resembles body sweat and skin.

    Perhaps it's a mixture of leathery scents? There's something else there. Maybe it's is, gasp, garlic?

    if anyone has any notes on adding a human edge to parfum I would love to hear them!!!

    thanks
    Eric
    Are there anybody else heard that cumin resembles body sweat?It's an important knowledge for me.But it need to be confirmated.I wonder really, is it smell such as or nearly body sweat?Please explain if you are sure.
    Last edited by gulhilal; 12th May 2014 at 12:28 PM.

  12. #132

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    There's a Single Note Exploration section here which may be useful, gulhilal
    http://www.basenotes.net/forums/107-...te-Exploration

    Here's the thread for cumin
    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/231583-Cumin

    You really need to smell some yourself.
    Last edited by lpp; 12th May 2014 at 12:32 PM.

  13. #133

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    Thanks,

    Odor profile: a spice with an especially pungent, bitter-sour note that can resemble sweat. Polarizing, it can highlight a fragrance creation like no other and is nowadays often used to render an intimate, animalic note in abscence of animalics. Famously overdosed in Kingdom by Alexander McQueen.

    I find it from fragrantica site.

    But it was a new knowledge for me.

    I am a new Basenoter

  14. #134

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulhilal View Post
    Are there anybody else heard that cumin resembles body sweat?It's an important knowledge for me.But it need to be confirmated.I wonder really, is it smell such as or nearly body sweat?Please explain if you are sure.
    The smell of sweat depends on so many things; your sex, your diet, your state of health, the freshness (or otherwise) of the sweat, and a few others things. Cumin has been described as smelling "sweaty". It is easy to find out; go to your supermarket and find where they keep their herbs and spices. See what you think. To get a more unpleasant sweaty feet type smell, try a touch of iso Valeric Acid.

  15. #135

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    It kind of reminds me of sweat of people who eat a lot of cumin
    My sweat doesn't smell like that, thank god. I'm more in the fossilized amber direction - so you could give it a try as well..

  16. #136

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    The smell of sweat depends on so many things; your sex, your diet, your state of health, the freshness (or otherwise) of the sweat, and a few others things. Cumin has been described as smelling "sweaty". It is easy to find out; go to your supermarket and find where they keep their herbs and spices. See what you think. To get a more unpleasant sweaty feet type smell, try a touch of iso Valeric Acid.
    Of course all of sweat drops smell different every person because of eating,health,affective events,etc.In addition,a person's sweat can smell different at different times.But i wondered is it generally smell as like sweat and i went to market and smelled but i am not sure Thanks

  17. #137

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    Thank you so much for this post It was very helpful !!

  18. #138

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    Iím just adding here something that seems to come up quite often when people are trying to work out how to read a formula, work out how to do dilutions, blending or similar things. Iíve linked to a some relevant parts of my blog but the following basic concepts are fairly essential if you are going to get anywhere:

    A perfume formula is normally expressed independently of any unit of measurement so that it can be made in any amounts that may be required, it is however almost always based on weight rather than volume, so grams, ounces, Kg, pounds or tonnes . . . as long as you keep the same proportions, it will be the same perfume.

    The convention is that formulas add up to 1000 - there is no need for them to do so - itís just a convention. However it does help when it comes to adding small amounts of high impact materials if you can conveniently express 0.1% of the concentrate as 1. If you need to add just a trace of a very high impact material, such as civet, then you can use a 10% dilution in the formula and easily get to 0.01%, or a 1% dilution and get to 0.001% and so on, without making it difficult to specify large amounts of low impact materials, such as Hedione, where you might want 30% of your formula - so you would express that as 300.

    It helps to understand the concepts of ratio, proportions, percentages and, if you want to convert between weight and volume, specific gravity.

    If you do everything by weight then specific gravity is only relevant when you need to know what bottle size a given weight will fit in and for that the most important factor is usually the ethanol (specific gravity of 0.8).

    If you are working in drops then you need to know what size the drops are and the specific gravity of the liquid youíre dropping in order to know how much you are putting in.

    If you are going to sell your perfume you will need to be concerned with the IFRA Standards and other rules. Regulations regarding perfumery are expressed on a weight for weight (w/w) basis.

    You may be familiar with seeing the alcohol content specified by volume (v/v or ABV on the label) but that is only relevant for regulation of taxes on ethanol, for everything else, you need to know the weight.

    Hope thatís useful.
    Chris Bartlett
    Perfumes from the edge . . .

    www.perfumedesigner.co.uk
    Twitter: @PellWallPerfume

    If you are looking for a perfumery consultation Iím happy to quote: if you want free advice, thatís what these forums are for
    You can also join my blog if you wish to ask questions of me.

  19. #139

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    Now I'm confused, between this primer and some other posts I read here (and now can't find again) - should you mix absolutes/EOs undiluted, or should you make stocks (10%, 50%, depends on which one?) in alcohol before you start mixing? Some absolutes smell like the plant straight, but some seem just too concentrated to even give a true representation of what they will smell like diluted, at least to my newbie nose. Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, I tried searching. Thanks for any advice you may have!
    On a related note: I've bought a small sample of orris butter (oh the beauty...), what is the best way to keep this? I'm thinking either dilute the whole amount 50% in perfumer's alcohol, or aliquot some diluted for use, and leave the rest as is (it's only "6 drops" to begin with but for a lab scientist that can be split into a lot of aliquots LOL)?

  20. #140

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    Also, is there maybe a recommended reading list somewhere? I downloaded the Carles pdf from Perfumer's Apprentice, and got a few cheap Amazon ebooks that look very preliminary (Introduction to Artisan Perfumery by Andriot and Middleton; The Professional Way to Make Perfume Second Edition by Drayton). Also just ordered Essential Oil Safety: A Guide for Health Care Professionals, 1995, by Tisserand & Balacs.

  21. #141

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    Hi ProfessorBats,

    regarding the dilution I guess most people are working with something around 10%. But the actual percentage of each material you will have to find out yourself as you might find some materials more tolerable in high concentration than others. And it may change over time.

    On the reading list I'd suggest you read what you've already ordered and then you know better on what to focus next.
    Currently I quite enjoy reading „Scent and Chemistry” by Ohloff/Pickenhagen/Kraft. They also run a Facebook page (Kraft and Pickenhagen).

    I can't be of help with the orris butter. A material I am still missing. I'd check if your butter is really soluble in ethanol or if another solvent is needed (like IPM).
    You cannot control your own population by force, but it can be distracted by consumption.

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  22. #142

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    Thank you, Graphite.
    That makes sense.
    Yes, the orris butter is from Eden Botanicals, who tend to be good about info that way, they write: "Orris Root Butter is perfectly soluble in vegetable oil as well as in alcohol." I take it that undenatured EtOH would be better than perfumer's alcohol, if one can get some.

  23. #143

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    I am beginner in making perfume sprays.

    I bought from non alcoholic perfume shop.
    1) 1 Million Pacco Rabanne oil.
    2) tween 20/polysorbate 20.
    3) measuring glass with 5 ml increments.

    Now I want to make 100 ml 25% concentrated perfume spray.

    For that 100 ml 25% concentrated perfume spray, do I have to mix
    1) 25 ml oil in 100 ml solvent
    OR
    2) 25 ml oil in 75 ml solvent?

  24. #144

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    [For that 100 ml 25% concentrated perfume spray, do I have to mix
    1) 25 ml oil in 100 ml solvent
    OR
    2) 25 ml oil in 75 ml solvent?[/QUOTE]

    25% means 25 out of 100 total. So it would be 25ml oil plus 75ml solvent.

  25. #145

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    Can you reply,how can i prepare a non alcholic perfume with perfume oils and other things and what must i put for this preparate?Which emulgators can resolve perfume oil commercially?It must be seemed smart and must be cheap.

  26. #146

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfessorBats View Post
    [For that 100 ml 25% concentrated perfume spray, do I have to mix
    1) 25 ml oil in 100 ml solvent
    OR
    2) 25 ml oil in 75 ml solvent?
    25% means 25 out of 100 total. So it would be 25ml oil plus 75ml solvent.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the reply.

    After dissolving this solution, the ACTUAL volume will be less than 100ml?

  27. #147

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    axe.effect - sorry for my ignorance, I thought both ingredients were liquids. Is the "oil" a powder??
    Percentages can actually be expressed in different ways, by volume or weight, or a combination. Did you just choose the 25% yourself or get it from a recipe? If the latter, did it specify? it would say v/v (volume/volume), w/w (weight/weight), or w/v (weight/volume). I learned in these pages that in perfumery, the professional default approach is w/w, not v/v, so you'd have to weigh out your ingredients by gram rather than measuring by ml.

    I hope that made sense. I'm actually a newbie in fragrances, so not an expert by any means - but I am a lab scientist, so at least I feel qualified to respond about how to make a dilution in more general terms. Feel free to ignore and seek more qualified help! :-)

  28. #148

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bartlett View Post
    I’m just adding here something that seems to come up quite often when people are trying to work out how to read a formula, work out how to do dilutions, blending or similar things. I’ve linked to a some relevant parts of my blog but the following basic concepts are fairly essential if you are going to get anywhere:

    A perfume formula is normally expressed independently of any unit of measurement so that it can be made in any amounts that may be required, it is however almost always based on weight rather than volume, so grams, ounces, Kg, pounds or tonnes . . . as long as you keep the same proportions, it will be the same perfume.

    The convention is that formulas add up to 1000 - there is no need for them to do so - it’s just a convention. However it does help when it comes to adding small amounts of high impact materials if you can conveniently express 0.1% of the concentrate as 1. If you need to add just a trace of a very high impact material, such as civet, then you can use a 10% dilution in the formula and easily get to 0.01%, or a 1% dilution and get to 0.001% and so on, without making it difficult to specify large amounts of low impact materials, such as Hedione, where you might want 30% of your formula - so you would express that as 300.

    It helps to understand the concepts of ratio, proportions, percentages and, if you want to convert between weight and volume, specific gravity.

    If you do everything by weight then specific gravity is only relevant when you need to know what bottle size a given weight will fit in and for that the most important factor is usually the ethanol (specific gravity of 0.8).

    If you are working in drops then you need to know what size the drops are and the specific gravity of the liquid you’re dropping in order to know how much you are putting in.

    If you are going to sell your perfume you will need to be concerned with the IFRA Standards and other rules. Regulations regarding perfumery are expressed on a weight for weight (w/w) basis.

    You may be familiar with seeing the alcohol content specified by volume (v/v or ABV on the label) but that is only relevant for regulation of taxes on ethanol, for everything else, you need to know the weight.

    Hope that’s useful.

    Just bumping this helpful post.
    There are also some existing threads re. dilutions.
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