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    Default Mixing fragrance oils and essential oils

    Hi...I'd like to add a a few drops of musk perfume oil or fragrance oil to some essential oils. Do you know if the amount of the musk should be about the same amount, on the average, as each of the other essential oils? I suppose the strength of fragrance oils varies from company to company, but I'm just looking for a rough estimate on proportions. I also understand fragrance oils don't always mix well with essential oils, so periodic shaking of the finished product may be required.

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    The musk you would be adding is dependent on the scent you wish to achieve. You should see fragrant and essential oils as interchangeable, rather than two separate things.

    Most FOs and EOs mix well. Rather than shaking the final product, warm the bottle between your hands and just gently roll it on a table or tipping it up-side-down. With all perfumes, definitely leave it in a cool, shaded area for a week for all the initial scents to blend before tweaking it again.

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    Hi ...Your question is a good one. The problem lies in exactly WHAT Musk you are thinking about using. Musks lie everywhere from naturally sourced animal Tonquin Musk, to the various chemical Musks known as "Nitro Musks" ( of which generally Musk ketone is one of the only ones still commonly used as there are alleged health risks associated with Musk Ambrette etc.)to the various synthetic Musk Compounds, to Musk fragrance oil ( which, depending on the producer can be just about anything!) to things like Ambrette Seed absolute (The last one is a naturally sourced material that has nothing to do with Musk Ambrette).

    All of this is a long winded way of saying that the choice of Musk ingredient(s) will dictate it's % by two factors: Desired olfactory potency, and maximum safe skin contact levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essentialoi12 View Post
    Hi,
    Young Living Essential Oils distributor. They are a multi-level company who will pay you a percentage of your recruited distributors' profits, and the profits of their recruited distributors. In this way, you can earn an income even without selling any of the products yourself.You can get more information from www(dot)essentialoilsonline(dot)co(dot)uk.
    Young Living oils are about the worst in quality and the highest in price. Just a MLM scam. BTW, you are a spammer and such repetitive posts via slightly different names will only bring ridicule upon you and your website.
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    Sorry for interferance, I need help from you, if you like to help me , I want to know the names of fragrance oils and essential oils, And if i mix fragrance oils in essential oils what will be the result?, If you know kindly help me.

    Thank You.

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    Abdul.

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    Myself I have only used e.o.'s but for people wanting to mix fragrance oils & e.o.'s one could try mixing small trial amounts and see how that goes. For fragrance oils see that you do use skin safe oils. There are a lot of fragrance oils out there which allthough they are nice in scent are only meant for use in home fragrance, oil burners , potpourri etc.

    A good book is Encyclopedia of Essential Oils by Julia Lawless see www.amazon.com/ or www.amazon.co.uk/ you can view some sample pages online !
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    Default Re: Mixing fragrance oils and essential oils

    You may well experience precipitation from 'adulterants' if mixing the two?

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    Mixing fragrance and essential oils shouldn't be a problem as long as the oils or absolutes have not been diluted in something like Jojoba oil or another carrier oil. That's often the case with oils intended for Aromatherapy massage. Some fragrance oils are only for use in burners or room scent and not at all suitable.
    Best to buy from reputable suppliers where the product and suitable usage is clearly explained and understood.

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    It entirely depends on why you should want to do this.

    For a perfume formula or serious perfumery learning - then just don't bother for many reasons. Type the question in the search box and read the many threads already here and see all the existing answers. I'm fairly sure there is another current thread on this very subject. If I find it, I will add a link.

    For curiosity and your own playful fun for no further reproduction - why not? Try and see.
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    Default Re: Mixing fragrance oils and essential oils

    Quote Originally Posted by Yvan View Post
    Hi...I'd like to add a a few drops of musk perfume oil or fragrance oil to some essential oils. Do you know if the amount of the musk should be about the same amount, on the average, as each of the other essential oils? I suppose the strength of fragrance oils varies from company to company, but I'm just looking for a rough estimate on proportions. I also understand fragrance oils don't always mix well with essential oils, so periodic shaking of the finished product may be required.
    I would never even think about mixing expensive real essential oils with fake fragrance oils that have unknown toxins for their ingredients. Why not use all real oils instead

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    Because one can't get real musk oil legally, nor is it kind anyway One is obliged these days to use artificial musk oils of which the blends give a better reproduction of musk than single aroma-chemicals do.

    Have a look on the perfumers apprentice site for some simple blends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    Because one can't get real musk oil legally, nor is it kind anyway One is obliged these days to use artificial musk oils of which the blends give a better reproduction of musk than single aroma-chemicals do.

    Have a look on the perfumers apprentice site for some simple blends.
    It would be nice if there was an apple or maybe strawberry essential oil too, but, there's none, so, for me, rather then go with a potentially toxic replica, I'll simply stick with the natural oils that we do have, and as much as I love those other scents, like musk, I have a new Sandalwood Absolute that's pretty close to a Musk scent. I got it at Eden Botanicals. Very dark and earthy.

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    I, like you, started on the path of naturals and I had a lot of learning to do.

    I'm delighted that you are pleased with your sandalwood as a musk scent replacer. There is a diagram somewhere on here that I posted years ago about all the natural musk replacers.

    Now I politely suggest you do a lot of reading before slapping around pure opinions on others using potential toxic replicas and the like. Most people on here have put in a lot of homework to get where they are. They have read all the arguments pro and against naturals and have formed their own opinions on where they wish to be within this framework. They already have knowledge of what is and isn't toxic and have a right to choose what they use. Some are industry professionals who have had years of experience and offer their help and advice on this forum for nothing. Your opinion has every reason to be valid for yourself but others have the same rights to choose for themselves.

    There are plenty of kind and nice people on this forum and there is plenty of room for everyone of all tendencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mumsy View Post
    I, like you, started on the path of naturals and I had a lot of learning to do.

    I'm delighted that you are pleased with your sandalwood as a musk scent replacer. There is a diagram somewhere on here that I posted years ago about all the natural musk replacers.

    Now I politely suggest you do a lot of reading before slapping around pure opinions on others using potential toxic replicas and the like. Most people on here have put in a lot of homework to get where they are. They have read all the arguments pro and against naturals and have formed their own opinions on where they wish to be within this framework. They already have knowledge of what is and isn't toxic and have a right to choose what they use. Some are industry professionals who have had years of experience and offer their help and advice on this forum for nothing. Your opinion has every reason to be valid for yourself but others have the same rights to choose for themselves.

    There are plenty of kind and nice people on this forum and there is plenty of room for everyone of all tendencies.
    Of course there's lots of nice people here, and I have never said otherwise, so lets not put words in my mouth ok?I've been coming through here for about a year now, and have never had a bit of trouble with anyone. I reported a scam artist oil dealer a while back and people appreciated the heads up, and it probably saved alot of people money, as this Indian dealer used to sell real good oils, and now he's not, at least, not with me.

    I also don't tell anyone how to make anything. If you choose to use motor oil in your perfume, thats your business, not mine. But, my comments are all very valid, and correct. The professionals do not use synthetics to make perfume. Why, becuase the ingredients are constantly changing, and there's no consistency. And, because their still unknown, and they are 90% petroleum based. Now, please don't shoot the messenger here. I'm simply stating what little is known about these oils. As we all know by now, the real oils do not contain additives, or toxic compounds. Fragrance, man made oils do. Now, I'm not saying that to piss you or anyone else off, but it's true, and if people choose to use them, fine, it's their right. I choose not to, and simply wish the makers of these oils would reveal to the world, everything they have in them, and let the people be the judge if they want them on their skin and in their blood streams. It's my opinion, and my choice, nothing more. I'll be more then happy to show you what one of the main oil dealers, Perfumers Apprentice, says about using synthetics for perfume. I'll post it if you like.

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    Oh for goodness sake. Sometime people seem quite determined to misunderstand on purpose..... It takes the hyraceum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robspace1 View Post
    Of course there's lots of nice people here, and I have never said otherwise, so lets not put words in my mouth ok?I've been coming through here for about a year now, and have never had a bit of trouble with anyone. I reported a scam artist oil dealer a while back and people appreciated the heads up, and it probably saved alot of people money, as this Indian dealer used to sell real good oils, and now he's not, at least, not with me.

    I also don't tell anyone how to make anything. If you choose to use motor oil in your perfume, thats your business, not mine. But, my comments are all very valid, and correct. The professionals do not use synthetics to make perfume1. [B]Why, becuase the ingredients are constantly changing, and there's no consistency.I]]2[/I] And, because their3 still unknown, and they are 90% petroleum based].4 Now, please don't shoot the messenger here. I'm simply stating what little is known about these oils. As we all know by now, the real oils do not contain additives, or toxic compounds5. Fragrance, man made oils do. Now, I'm not saying that to piss you or anyone else off, but it's true, and if people choose to use them, fine, it's their right. I choose not to, and simply wish the makers of these oils would reveal to the world, everything they have in them, and let the people be the judge if they want them on their skin and in their blood streams. It's my opinion, and my choice, nothing more. I'll be more then happy to show you what one of the main oil dealers, Perfumers Apprentice, says about using synthetics for perfume. I'll post it if you like.
    1 Yes they do. Professional Perfumers use a mixture of Natural extracts and synthetics.
    2There is far greater consistency in batch quality with a synthetic than a natural. Naturals will vary from year to year and batch to batch due to climatic and other changes. The same plant grown in different countries will yield different quality extract.
    3 sic I think you mean "they're"
    4 No they are not. Please site your source for this.
    5 Many Essential oils will have substances, such as antioxidants added. Many Oils contain toxic chemicals; skin sensitisers, photo-sensitisers etc.

    Before expressing your opinion, get your facts right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Ruskin View Post
    1 Yes they do. Professional Perfumers use a mixture of Natural extracts and synthetics.
    2There is far greater consistency in batch quality with a synthetic than a natural. Naturals will vary from year to year and batch to batch due to climatic and other changes. The same plant grown in different countries will yield different quality extract.
    3 sic I think you mean "they're"
    4 No they are not. Please site your source for this.
    5 Many Essential oils will have substances, such as antioxidants added. Many Oils contain toxic chemicals; skin sensitisers, photo-sensitisers etc.

    Before expressing your opinion, get your facts right.
    David, would you trust the people at Perfumers Apprentice if they made that statement? Well, they did. If you look under fragrances, it's right there on page one. Now, you can use whatever you wish to use, and put whatever foeign, toxic, substance you want in your bloodstream and lungs, that's your choice, but these comments are not mine, but by one of the most reputable distributers of oils in the country. I'll post the entire statemnt for you. Then thats it, I've moved onto other discussions. Done with this one. It's all a personal choice, like everything else.

    There are two reasons, however, that professional perfumers do not use Fragrance Oils.
    1. Because they are pre-diluted by the manufacturer.

    2. Because they are of unknown composition, with the manufacturer not bound to continue making the same product the same way. For example, "Amber" is a recipe for a certain type of fragrance, usually made with a blend of Peru Balsam, Benzoin, Jasmine, and one or more Musk aromachemicals; but an "Amber" produced by one company will not be the same as the Amber produced by a different company, and any company can change their formula at any time.
    How can you market a perfume with Amber as an ingredient if you don't know that you will be able to get the same Amber consistently?

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    All removed because I can't be bothered any more......
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    JEEBERS!!

    Robspace, please stop. You already beat this to death in another thread just yesterday.

    Coming here with questions and/or sharing thoughts pleasantly is not what you're doing, You're telling us all this nonsense, and going on and on about particular companies either as authorities superseding what we're saying, or bashing the companies if what they're doing isn't suiting you.

    If you want to share your ideas great but not by nonsense such as "David, would you trust the people at Perfumers Apprentice if they made that statement? Well, they did. If you look under fragrances, it's right there on page one. Now, you can use whatever you wish to use, and put whatever foeign, toxic, substance you want in your bloodstream."

    No that is c**p and will get you nowhere here.

    PLEASE STOP. THANK YOU.

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    Default Re: Mixing fragrance oils and essential oils

    I'm sure there are some good natural perfumery websites that share your convictions, robspace. Why not utilize them and come here when you can add to a discussion on natural EO's? Not to bash aromachemicals or dilutents, but to participate in a non inflammatory discussion.
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    sweetest. All things serve a purpose, but that is no reason to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Roberts View Post
    JEEBERS!!

    Robspace, please stop. You already beat this to death in another thread just yesterday.

    Coming here with questions and/or sharing thoughts pleasantly is not what you're doing, You're telling us all this nonsense, and going on and on about particular companies either as authorities superseding what we're saying, or bashing the companies if what they're doing isn't suiting you.

    If you want to share your ideas great but not by nonsense such as "David, would you trust the people at Perfumers Apprentice if they made that statement? Well, they did. If you look under fragrances, it's right there on page one. Now, you can use whatever you wish to use, and put whatever foeign, toxic, substance you want in your bloodstream."

    No that is c**p and will get you nowhere here.

    PLEASE STOP. THANK YOU.
    David,
    I'm answering the mans question. Is that ok with you? He asked me to show him where I found that information, so I did. I am done with this discussion and I have moved on. But, if someone keeps it going and wanting to ask me questions I'll answer them. It's called a discussion. If people want to use these oils, they can. End of story-the truth is out there-seek it!

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    Professional Perfumer's use bases supplied by other houses, and very often they do not know the formula of the base. Providing the supplier has a valid MSDS, providing the base obeys whatever regulations are required, and providing the quality of the base is consistent, it is not necessary to know the formula. This is not a big deal. I don't know the chemical composition of every Essential oil I used either. I may know 99.0% of it, but not the complete composition; so what? This is the last time I shall bother replying to you "Robspace"; you seem obsessed with "purity" and unable to listen to anyone else's point of view, and as a result of that obsession any further discussion becomes pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robspace1 View Post
    I am done with this discussion and I have moved on.
    So you said yesterday twice as well, yet kept beating that dead horse even after claiming being done. Hopefully this time you'll mean what you said above. It would be best.

    End of story-the truth is out there-seek it!
    I'd suggest operating by that philosophy as to how you communicate with others, rather than post here as you have.

    Best bet, do as you said, be done with this and with how you have been doing it. Thank you.

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