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    The ones that men can wear and can't seems obvious to me. Empty words like 'too sweet', 'too floral', 'pour femme' etc doesn't say anything at all. For example Lau d'issey pour femme is a very nice scent on ladies but I really think its beyond justification for a guy to wear it. No offence if some guy here loves it and wears it himself. But as I already said in my previous post, Rive gauche pour femme should be ok for an open minded guy. And that is the extent I'm bothered with musculinity in a scent I wear. After all manliness is not in the scent that one wears but in the wearer himself.
    That said, the exceptionally musculine scents that I love are Chanel Antaeus and YSL Kouros. Ironically Kouros has Jasmine in it and Antaeus can appear heady like feminine scents sometimes. Evidence of how blurred is the gender distinction when it comes to scents.

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    Part of my fragrance collection includes many menís fragrances that could easily be perceived as feminine. *Yet, they were marketed and launched for men. *Go figure. *They include. *Joop, Carolina Herrera pour homme, 212, Body Kouros, Krizia Spazio, Cartier Declaration, Halston I-12, Blvgari pour homme and Egoiste. *

    I love Coco Mademoiselle. *To me it smells more masculine then half the fragrances I mentioned above. *If Mademoiselle had been launched as a menís fragrance, it would be in my signature scent. *No question about it. *But nowadays, because of its popularity with women, I don't have the stones to wear it. *
    I guess fragrance, like clothing, boils down to personal preference and what your comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi
    I draw the line for myself at smelling like flowers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueOcean
    How important to you is a scent's masculinity?

    Hey, I'm a guy!!! *8-)


    The effemination of men in general leaves men confused as to who they really are. This is a cultural phenomenon and has become visible through the current trend of the "metro" man. Women are still attracted to ultra masculine guys. Period. Just like men are most attracted to ultra female traits. Period.

    If your scent says "Hey, a girl of 12 could wear this sweet scent" then your masculinity drops on the scale. That's all right! As long as you dont overdo it and add too many feminine traits to it. Women - in general - are not attracted to feminine men.

    A good masculine cologne - for me - makes a statement. The statement of a confident, sexy and MASCULINE guy.
    A lot of people, especially me, dont wear colognes/perfumes to attract or be desireable to the oppsosite sex. I wear whatever fragrances i like and i happen to wear quite a few "womens" frags. If a woman i meet is not attracted to or doesnt like me because of the scent i wear, THEN TOUGH!!!!! Anyway, i am not effiminate or girly in any way, shape or form so the only thing that could possible construed as feminine about me is the fragrance i wear sometimes. But i dont wear overtly feminine scents like Chanel 5, or Red Door, Arpege, Anais Anais, or other scents in that vein. But like i said, i dont wear scents to attract women. Actually, i dont do anything to "get babes". They either like me or they dont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gator
    [quote author=stuigi link=1148026528/0#13 date=1148044387]I draw the line for myself at smelling like flowers.
    Bingo[/quote]


    The problem there, surely, is that Havana wouldn't be Havana without the jasmine, Antaeus wouldn't be Antaeus without the rose, Tuscany per Uomo Forte wouldn't be TpUF without the geranium and carnation, Bois du Portugal wouldn't be BdP without the lavender. And so on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gator
    [quote author=stuigi link=1148026528/0#13 date=1148044387]I draw the line for myself at smelling like flowers.
    Bingo[/quote]

    With all respect to you both: Grey Flannel?
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    How important to you is a scent's masculinity?

    Hey, I'm a guy!!! Cool


    The effemination of men in general leaves men confused as to who they really are. This is a cultural phenomenon and has become visible through the current trend of the "metro" man. Women are still attracted to ultra masculine guys. Period. Just like men are most attracted to ultra female traits. Period.

    If your scent says "Hey, a girl of 12 could wear this sweet scent" then your masculinity drops on the scale. That's all right! As long as you dont overdo it and add too many feminine traits to it. Women - in general - are not attracted to feminine men.

    A good masculine cologne - for me - makes a statement. The statement of a confident, sexy and MASCULINE guy.


    A lot of people, especially me, dont wear colognes/perfumes to attract or be desireable to the oppsosite sex. I wear whatever fragrances i like and i happen to wear quite a few "womens" frags. If a woman i meet is not attracted to or doesnt like me because of the scent i wear, THEN TOUGH!!!!! Anyway, i am not effiminate or girly in any way, shape or form so the only thing that could possible construed as feminine about me is the fragrance i wear sometimes. But i dont wear overtly feminine scents like Chanel 5, or Red Door, Arpege, Anais Anais, or other scents in that vein. But like i said, i dont wear scents to attract women. Actually, i dont do anything to "get babes". They either like me or they dont.

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    Quite. Sexiness to women is ALL about confidence and being comfortable with yourself - I can feel super sexy wearing what are notionally women's or men's or unisex frags and THAT'S what's important to me. Of course if I'm feeling sexy then a women is more likely to be inclined to agree with me than if I'm wearing something more 'masculine' but which doesn't suit me. But that's a foreseen rather than an intended consequence of wearing fragrances that I like

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    Your scent doesn't define your masculinity. Your masculinity is portrayed through your personality and attitude. If a man can act "manly" (as described by society's social norms) while wearing a scent classified as feminine, that just adds to his uniqueness. (My personal opinion, of course.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueOcean
    How important to you is a scent's masculinity?

    Hey, I'm a guy!!! *8-)


    The effemination of men in general leaves men confused as to who they really are. This is a cultural phenomenon and has become visible through the current trend of the "metro" man. Women are still attracted to ultra masculine guys. Period. Just like men are most attracted to ultra female traits. Period.

    If your scent says "Hey, a girl of 12 could wear this sweet scent" then your masculinity drops on the scale. That's all right! As long as you dont overdo it and add too many feminine traits to it. Women - in general - are not attracted to feminine men.

    A good masculine cologne - for me - makes a statement. The statement of a confident, sexy and MASCULINE guy.

    I tend to agree with Blue Ocean on this one. I probably favour men's scents pretty much exclusively. I love Dior Homme, but it's as girly as I'd go. I wear a few oriental leaning ones like L'Instant and Egoiste, but beyond that, it's pretty much testosterone all the way, whether it be Rive Gauche, Antaeus, Derby, Gucci PH or citrussy fresh classics like Eau Sauvage, Guerlain and Malle Vetivers, Chanel PMC, etc... Whilst that latter category could comfortably be worn by women, I think they remain ostensibly "masculine".

    Yes many men's frags have florals in them, but the overall feel of most of them is definitively masculine.

    And in regards to what the opposite sex want or look for, sure you may say "if a woman doesn't like my cologne, she can sod off, etc etc" but let's not forget life (and cologne) is not just about getting laid. I'm a happily married man, so I don't really care what cologne will ATTRACT women for me, but I certainly don't want a boss, work colleague, patient, family or friend of mine thinking I smell like a girl!!! For most people who work in conservative professions, this would be very hard to pull off.

    And yes, I agree, most women want a real man - not a metrosexual, not a SNAG, not a fake or effusively sensitive type, certainly not a chauvinist or a bully, but a genuine decent human being who takes pride in their appearance, dresses well, smells clean, has a brain, some morals, some money and some integrity.
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    Very well spoken Ged! A good statement of a mature, married person! - I only hope that you do not want to be interpreted believing, that a 'real man' wearing one or more of the fragrances mentioned in this or the 'Female scents suitable for men....' thread could not be a

    "...genuine decent human being who takes pride in their appearance, dresses well, smells clean, has a brain, some morals, some money and some integrity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by narcus
    Very well spoken Ged! A good statement of a mature, married person! *- I only hope that you do not want to be interpreted believing, that a 'real man' wearing one or more of the fragrances mentioned in this or the 'Female scents suitable for men....' thread could not be a

    "...genuine decent human being who takes pride in their appearance, dresses well, smells clean, has a brain, some morals, some money and some integrity."
    ;D ;D

    Hah, you got me there!

    Yes as my post went on I rambled a bit, and the two topics I addressed are certainly not mutually inclusive.

    The first bit aboput female fragrances is just my personal taste. Of course other might be happy wearing female fragrances to work (maybe they work in more artistic or fun jobs?), and yes you're right, it would be no reflection of what sort of people they are, or which women (or men!) they attract.

    The last bit was more to refute the whole "women want this fragrance" thing, but hey, we've been down that road before, and it's a dead end! I was also a bit miffed as to why some people would say "If a woman doesn't like my fragrance she can go jump etc.." After all it's just a fun hobby and if she was otherwise hot and interesting, I'd be changing my cologne quick smart!!!



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    I welcome the complete basic agreement! Thanks for your kind reaction, Ged!

    I regularly forget to specify that the feminine colognes I consider wearing myself are feminine by label mainly, but masculine in character (a larger section of scents 1940 -60). The clothes and scents I wear for the office are selected to suit my job. I must like them to feel comfortable, but they are a compromise like a fully buttoned shirt. In case of doubt I opt for modest masculine labels there.

    I never met another man smelling simply of rose, but there must be, as it is the scent of the Orient. My personal 'weakness' for roses is more a gardener's than male weakness. Rose elates me. With that on mind I concede that other men may feel the same way about Iris, Jasmine, or whatever, and still be as much or little a man as the lover of citrus or aquatic scents. On the other hand potent orientals can make me dizzy and feel like in a Harem - but less as the Pasha, more like an Eunuch guardsman gasping for air!
    Oh, and I consider myself at home in (minority) group 3: Masculinity - 'very important'.
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    Very important - I do not want to wear a fragrance, or obviously do anything, that would be perceived as feminine. While I don't wear the Aramis/Polo type "masculine" scents of the baby boomers, I would never wear a woman's fragrance that someone would recognize as being a woman's fragrance.

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    fwiw mark me down for: Minimally important, but no Chanel No. 5, etc.

    The concern over the 'masculine' aspects of scents to be worn by men is a tired one. There are many contrived definitions (most of them without much substance) as to what defines what a 'real' man should wear. It borders on an indecisive insecurity, which doesnt hold much water as a masculine virtue in any culture Ive experienced.

    Not that Ive been entirely free of these concerns, but as I get older I'm giving a lot less of a damn about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosbergs3 View Post
    But like i said, i dont wear scents to attract women. Actually, i dont do anything to "get babes". They either like me or they dont.
    I believe that attitude is the ultimate pheromone for most women. (Not all women, but most women.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MorningOil View Post
    How important to you is a scent's masculinity?

    Hey, I'm a guy!!! Cool


    The effemination of men in general leaves men confused as to who they really are. This is a cultural phenomenon and has become visible through the current trend of the "metro" man. Women are still attracted to ultra masculine guys. Period. Just like men are most attracted to ultra female traits. Period.

    If your scent says "Hey, a girl of 12 could wear this sweet scent" then your masculinity drops on the scale. That's all right! As long as you dont overdo it and add too many feminine traits to it. Women - in general - are not attracted to feminine men.

    A good masculine cologne - for me - makes a statement. The statement of a confident, sexy and MASCULINE guy.
    I would have to agree with this.

    Besides Kiehl's and TdH, everything in my wardrobe would probably be described as "uber-masculine."

    I think it's erroneous when people post here saying women don't like the powerhouse masculine frags. I've recieved nothing but compliments from them. Then again, even if they said they hated it, I'd still wear them as I like them and that's all that counts.

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    When I first stared, I was afraid of unisex scent. I don't remember why. Now I find that they are the most versatile. I also find that there're many marketed-as-feminine scents that work really well on me namely the women's D&G Light Blue.

    Also, in my honest opinion, a lot of masculine scents come off as really, really boring. But I'm sure the feminine side of things are the same. I haven't explored that area yet.

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    The biggest crock is when some guy states he wore women's perfume which "smells totally masculine on me, yet totally feminine when my wife wears it". Truth is, if you were blindfolded, you'd have a 50/50 shot at guessing who is wearing what.

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    I'll wear most anything in public except:
    - Super-masculine fragrances that make me look like I'm trying too hard;
    - Super-feminine fragrances that just - don't - work; and
    - Popular recognizable feminine fragrances ("You smell just like my girlfriend." "Uh...")

    It really just comes down to whether I like it or not. I wear my fragrance for me, not for you.

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    I have to admit I go through cycles. Last winter I really went overboard on my feminine designated fragrance binge. I was swimming in tuberose and jasmine. Perhaps it was an attempt at creating the wonderful smells of spring and summer during the depressing winter days.
    But, as soon as things started to warm up, I've been turning back to the classic, gentlemanly scents. I even went as far as buying a bottle of Azzaro. There's nothing more refreshing than a classic fougere when the weather heats up. And when it gets too hot for a fougere, I'm thrilled with a sharp chypre like Eau d'Hadrien EdP.
    As the winter approaches again, the indolic flowers will bloom again, and I'll feel the need to be comforted by the fruity, jasmine flowers of Montaigne!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samplermike View Post
    Truth is, if you were blindfolded, you'd have a 50/50 shot at guessing who is wearing what.
    Now that sounds like a good, kinky plan.

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    If a man is masculine to begin with, he may wear whatever fragrances he chooses and he will still be perceived by others as a masculine man.

    Wear what you want, stick out your chest, & flex your biceps.
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    Unimportant. Mostly I wear perfume for myself and will consider regardless of gender anything soothing, interesting, with good associations/memories that doesn't get on my nerves. I've never been told "you smell like a woman" despite my most daring adventures.

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    Years ago I wouldn't touch unisex scents, now I think alot of them are quite good. Mugler Cologne or some of the CK One's are excellent. CK One itself doesn't always agree with me though, it borders on cloying sometimes/headache-inducing. Most of the attars and mukhallats I have also tried have been designated unisex, too. There's a rose one, Rose Ispahan I thought was a little more feminine though in its use of roses, but I still could see myself wearing it.

    When I'm fooling around blending my own perfumes, usually the whole gender thing is on the backburner and it's only later that something clicks on wheather it's masculine or feminine, or just unisex. Alot of the creations lately I've just figured have been unisex, not particularly masculine or feminine smelling.

    As I said in one of my original posts, people give off pheromones that indicate their gender, and to a lesser extent, their sexual orientation so I don't think there's too much of an issue of having your gender confused unless perhaps you used an extra-strong anti-persperant or had some medical condition (I've ran into a few people who were very thin or sickly looking who smelled like nothing, honestly- it's a bit creepy once you are used to detecting pheromones).
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