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    Default czech and speake no. 88

    hi everyone, i have for the past year enjoyed all the postings on this forum without becoming a member. i have just jumped onboard. i read about the postings on adp and c&s no. 88 and i am considering having the no.88. however, i need some information on it. any help will be very much appreciated.

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    NO.88 is a fabulous choice btw!

    The company describe it as a sophisticated scent containing over 100 ingredients - rose otto, geranium & bergamot layered with the dry smokiness of vetiver & sandalwood. It is what you would expect an aristocrat to sport.

    Don't hesitate, get it if you can find it! [smiley=rolleyes.gif]
    Let your nose be your pilot

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    I've been dying to try this one also. Just ordered a decant from ebay. It's not cheap though. A 1/3 oz. decant was $25.

    Hope it's worth it! [smiley=undecided.gif]

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    Be prepared for an incredibly heavy, "incensy" scent.

    I bought a decant too and could not handle it. Too heavy, too formal, just too.....too. It was almost like a novelty scent. I ended up giving mine away to someone in a swap.

    I'm in the minority, though, most guys love it. Hope you do too.

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    One of Tom Ford's favorites. That says enough...

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    While C & S No. 88 is a very nice scent, Floris No. 89, which, I believe, the C & S was copied from, is a lot better in my opinion. Floris also has more staying power and is less expensive.
    Given the choice, I'd go with the No. 89.
    Rick

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruffydd3
    While C & S No. 88 is a very nice scent, Floris No. 89, which, I believe, the C & S was copied from, is a lot better in my opinion. Floris also has more staying power and is less expensive.
    Given the choice, I'd go with the No. 89.
    Rick

    Ha, that's very interesting. When I sampled Floris - No. 89 I had to think immediately of Czech & Speake's No. 88 and that the name was referring to No. 89, just a bit "more below"! I have never read anything about it until now and I agree in terms of similarity to a certain point.

    I was on a concert recently wearing No. 88. It's not an everyday scent IMO, because it's way too heavy. I agree as well with the sillage, which is more an aura - kind of mystique. Still one of those scents that will get you attention!
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    Crystal Flacon

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    Well Czech & Speake is at 88 Jermyn Street, Floris' is at 89 Jermyn Street. Hence the names.

    I

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    [blue]Thank you gentleman for pointing out the interesting similarities between the *Floris 89* and Czech & Speake *No. 88*. On reviewing their respect ingredient profiles, one finds there are, indeed, many similarities.

    There are however some major differences. *Floris 89* has jasmine in it, which gives it that heavy, civet-like note (it's the indole it shares with civet that does so). In this sense it is closer to Penhaligon's *Douro* a.k.a. *Lords*. What also further distinguishes *No. 88* from *Floris 89* are the following:

    It is not as citrusy as either of the two abovementioned name. As I noted in a recent post "If you're looking for an eau de cologne, predominantly citrus style accord, Czech and Speake *No. 88* couldn't be further from your search. Apart from the bergamot in the top notes, which disappears very quickly, there is little about this fragrance that is citrusy." There is a serious, prominent, and high quality Rose Otto note in *No. 88*, that is the heart of the fragrance. The rose note in Floris *89* is not as integral to the overall accord, nor does it have the same salience as in the overall accord as it does with *No. 88*.

    However, what really distinguishes *No. 88* from *Floris 89* is the thoroughly original and daring use of two little-used, even in women's perfumery, floral notes--cassie and frangipani. Again as I noted in an earlier review: "*No. 88* contains some of the following notes: Bergamot, Cassie, Frangipanni, Geranium, Rose Otto, Vetiver and Sandalwood. It has a soapy, floral, woodsy, slightly spicy quality to it. The floral notes are never dominant and the cassie, which is really the essential oil from the flowers of a shrub, gives it a unique floral-spicy, balsamic note that blends elegantly with the other notes. The frangipani, like the cassie, is not your usual monochromatic floral note. Itís has a weighty floral-green aroma, with a soft spicy edge to it that again blends tightly and elegantly with the Rose Otto and with the other ingredients. Itís very hard to describe this scent because itís put together so well, but you will certainly sense the quality and originality when you try it . . . Despite its containing some floral elements, it is a decidedly masculine scent and a very British one, I might add. In fact, itís so unique in its careful blended of ingredients--all natural absolutes and essential oils Czech & Speake claim--you could even call it unisex even though itís clearly marketed as a menís fragrance with an aftershave in the line. In my opinion, for what it's worth, and it's one I've come to slowly, this is probably one of the five greatest scents every produced.

    dr.creed wrote:
    I agree as well with the sillage, which is more an aura - kind of mystique.
    I couldnít agree with you more on this point dr.creed. I had put it this way: ďIt has a commanding sillage like no other fragrance I know. No sillage is the wrong word. It actually creates an aura around the wearer."

    Regards,

    scentemental[/blue]

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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental
    [blue]Thank you gentleman for pointing out the interesting similarities between the *Floris 89* and Czech & Speake *No. 88*. On reviewing their respect ingredient profiles, one finds there are, indeed, many similarities.

    There are however some major differences. *Floris 89* has jasmine in it, which gives it that heavy, civet-like note (it's the indole it share with civet that does so). In this sense it is closer to Penhaligon's *Douro* a.k.a. *Lords*. What also further distinguishes *No. 88* from *Floris 89* are the following:

    It is not as citrusy as either of the two abovementioned name. As I noted in a recent post "If you're looking for an eau de cologne, predominantly citrus style accord, Czech and Speake *No. 88* couldn't be further from your search. Apart from the bergamot in the top notes, which disappears very quickly, there is little about this fragrance that is citrusy." There is a serious, prominent, and high quality Rose Otto note in *No. 88, that is the heart of the fragrance. The rose note in Floris *89* is not as integral to the overall accord, nor does it have the same salience as in the overall accord as it does with *No. 88*.

    However, what really distinguishes *No. 88* from *Floris 89* is the thoroughly original and daring use of two little-used, even in women's perfumery, floral notes--cassie and frangipani. Again as I noted in an earlier review: "*No. 88* contains some of the following notes: Bergamot, Cassie, Frangipanni, Geranium, Rose Otto, Vetiver and Sandalwood. It has a soapy, floral, woodsy, slightly spicy quality to it. The floral notes are never dominant and the cassie, which is really the essential oil from the flowers of a shrub, gives it a unique floral-spicy, balsamic note that blends elegantly with the other notes. The frangipani, like the cassie, is not your usual monochromatic floral note. Itís has a weighty floral-green aroma, with a soft spicy edge to it that again blends tightly and elegantly with the Rose Otto and with the other ingredients. Itís very hard to describe this scent because itís put together so well, but you will certainly sense the quality and originality when you try it . . . Despite its containing some floral elements, it is a decidedly masculine scent and a very British one, I might add. In fact, itís so unique in its careful blended of ingredients--all natural absolutes and essential oils Czech & Speake claim--you could even call it unisex even though itís clearly marketed as a menís fragrance with an aftershave in the line. In my opinion, for what it's worth, and it's one I've come to slowly, this is probably one of the five greatest scents every produced.

    dr.creed wrote:
    I agree as well with the sillage, which is more an aura - kind of mystique.
    I couldnít agree with you more on this point dr.creed. I had put it this way: ďIt has a commanding sillage like no other fragrance I know. No sillage is the wrong word. It actually creates an aura around the wearer."

    Regards,

    scentemental[/blue]
    Scentemental, I very much share your sentiment, afterall No.88 is my treasure island fragrance, I've said so much about this ethereal beauty in the past, but you've pushed the boat a bit further with your stunning review!

    No.88 vs No.89? *I've worn 89 before & it certainly lacks the ambience (need to push the "aura" word a bit further) that 88 reveals.

    No.88 is certainly one of the best fragrances ever to be made, hence my utmost respect for the Czech & Speake house...
    Let your nose be your pilot

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    [blue]Glad to be in such good company Magnnum. Thanks for the kind words.

    scentemental[/blue]

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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental
    [blue]Glad to be in such good company Magnnum. Thanks for the kind words.

    scentemental[/blue]
    You're very welcome, no.88 will be our little dirty secret, we'll keep it on the down low...
    Let your nose be your pilot

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    Scentemental, what are the other 4 greatest fragrances besides 88 in your opinion"
    Thx

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    How much? And where can I purchase No 88?

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    Now I'm curious. I have a decant of No. 88 coming from ebay ... but you're really making me want to try Floris No. 89.

    I looked all over, including ebay, and can't seem to find it anywhere.

    Is this one of those "impossible to find" fragrances?

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    Ziffy, for Floris 89, try florisoflondon.com under "Classics".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziffy321
    Now I'm curious. I have a decant of No. 88 coming from ebay ... but you're really making me want to try Floris No. 89.

    I looked all over, including ebay, and can't seem to find it anywhere.

    Is this one of those "impossible to find" fragrances?

    Not impossible. But not cheap. Go to the source!

    http://www.czechspeake.com/
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    i have ordered one from www.czechspeake.com. £61 for 100ml.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tt
    i have ordered one from www.czechspeake.com. £61 for 100ml.

    [blue]tt,

    Are you located in the US, and if so, how much do they charge for shipping?

    Thanks,

    scentemental[/blue]

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    Scentemental,

    I am in the uk. a lady i spoke to at czeck and speake said it will be delivered within 3-5 days. shipping within uk is free

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    OK ... so what about the Floris No. 89? I can't seem to locate even decants of that anywhere.

    Any info on that one maybe???

    Please???

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    Yvan
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    I just got a sample of No. 88, I've had it on nearly an hour, and it hasn't really worked its magic yet. I sprayed it on, then noticed a light scent of some nice floral and woody notes, including what I think was the frangipani (like the scent of marzipan?), but after only a few minutes, it's like the scent just disappeared. I think it's coming out a little bit now, but it's really close to the skin, even though I sprayed plenty on. I think maybe it doesn't work with my skin chemistry, but if it doesn't emerge more, I'll still test it at least one more time. I wonder if anyone else has had this experience, either with this one or another scent, where it kind of "disappears" on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griff
    [quote author=ziffy321 link=1123397655/0#14 date=1123547686]Now I'm curious. *I have a decant of No. 88 coming from ebay ... but you're really making me want to try Floris No. 89.

    I looked all over, including ebay, and can't seem to find it anywhere.

    Is this one of those "impossible to find" fragrances?

    Not impossible. But not cheap. Go to the source!

    http://www.czechspeake.com/[/quote]

    I guess if you have the cash, very few things are impossible! [smiley=wink.gif]
    Are you not entertained??? Is this not why you are here??

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    Yvan
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    About two hours after putting it on, my sample finally kicked into gear; I've never had it take that long before a scent emerged. When it did, it stayed close to the skin, but it was rich, with a combination of notes that were floral, woody, musky, incense-like, slightly dessert-like (marzipan, I guess) and with some sweetness. I also noticed a note that's pretty similar to one I noticed in Nino Cerruti pour Homme that's mainly resinous but slightly herbal; I don't know what that would've been. I'm glad I got that much out of it, and will try it again another time. It's a pretty fine scent, but I guess it doesn't work as well on me as on other people, but that's life.

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    I've been growing more curious about this scent of late, owing to the endorsements given to it by many of you (and Ozzy of course!). This thread is very useful.

    Can anyone clarify:

    Whether it's available in an EDT version, or is it only cologne?

    How long the cologne version lasts (I realise this is subjective, but generally speaking)?

    Finally, is it available anywhere (in the UK) other than the official outlet?

    Many thanks.


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    Ziffy,
    The only place I know to get No. 898 is from Floris. It's on their website under the classics section.
    Rick

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    May I add that the shower gel is an absolute stunner also......it would be interesting to here if anyone has gone for the 'full monty layering' and used shaving cream / shower gel and cologne!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ballardbeau
    Be prepared for an incredibly heavy, "incensy" scent.

    I bought a decant too and could not handle it. Too heavy, too formal, just too.....too. It was almost like a novelty scent. I ended up giving mine away to someone in a swap.

    I'm in the minority, though, most guys love it. Hope you do too.

    I agree with Ballardbeau on this, although we seem to be very much in the minority here. C&S's #88's charms have never worked for me. I've sampled it several times, but find it unwearable. It always feels too cluttered and messy to me. And I have to admit, I just don't like the way it smells. It's all well and good for a fragrance - like #88 - to have a couple of hundred of ingredients, but the ultimate test for a user comes down to what I call the "global" test of a fragrance: Overall, do you like the way it smells? Here, I have to answer "Nay", not "Yeah".



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    Quote Originally Posted by verve


    I agree with Ballardbequ on this, although we seem to be very much in the minority here. * C&S's #88's charms have never worked for me. *I've sampled it several times, but find it unwearable. * It always feels too cluttered and messy to me. * And I have to admit, I just don't like the way it smells. *It's all well and good for a fragrance - like #88 - to have a couple of hundred of ingredients, but the ultimate test for a user comes down to what I call the "global" test of a fragrance: *Overall, do you like the way it smells? * Here, I have to answer "Nay", not "Yeah". * *
    I'm with you guys as another "non fan" of this one. #88 was probably my most anticipated fragrance here since I joined Basenotes. I heard such great things about it ... but couldn't find it anywhere! I looked and looked and finally found a seller on ebay who had decants. When I received it in the mail, my anticipation of the "WOW" factor quickly turned to a "WTF?" factor. To me, it smells like ... what I call ... the fourth degree of a cologne. After the top, middle, and drydown of a scent (the first 3 degrees), the fourth is kinda that "after stink" when the fragrance is completely gone, but you smell your skin and you know SOMETHING was there. Usually a bitter, somewhat rancid smell. Many of the better ones don't give you that degree, but some of my older ones (Versace L'Homme, Burberry Weekend, Drakkar) definitely used to give it to you big time ... usually the next morning, making me run into the bathroom and shower immediately.

    I'm not saying #88 is a stinker, but that is what it's reminiscent of to me. I really, really tried hard to like this one ... completely going through my 1/3 oz. decant of it. But sadly, it didn't happen and ain't gonna happen.

    I gave it my best shot though!

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    It's been great reading everybody's impressions of this very different scent! Scentemental's excellent review really helped in deciphering this complex fragrance!

    Whenever I sample 88 I find myself agreeing with Ballardbeau that it's heavy and oppressive to an almost unbearable degree, BUT that there's also something equally compelling about it that keeps pulling me back to it.

    If fragrances can be "manic/depressive", then 88 must be number one in that category ... the bright, sunny bergamot coupled with that brooding, powdery rose is so inspired ... really a hallmark that I haven't found in any other fragrance ... perhaps it's this that I find so compelling about 88. I'm not one to often think about fragrances in terms of colors, but with 88 perhaps it's apt: the bergamot being a piercing, brilliant yellow while the rose comes across as a very muted, dusky violet.

    Interesting to read from Yvan that he finds 88 close to the skin and muted ... 88 is one that just seems to leap from the bottle and go straight for the throat (or the nostrils, whatever the case may be!) I don't get anything close to a marzipan note ...

    88 really deserves to be sampled by everyone, too bad it's so difficult to get a hold of.
    ..."net", not "naut".

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