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    Quote Originally Posted by dcampen
    Triethanolamine is a nitrosating agent?? I don't think so. Triethanolamine is an amine, it could react with a nitrosating agent (such as sodium nitrite in an acidic environment) to form a carcinogenic nitrosamine but it is not a nitrosating agent. Triethanolamine is widely used in cosmetics.

    A negative score for containing BHT?? BHT is widely used in foods and considered safe but these people consider it toxic in topical use.
    geez, you're getting too technical for me man. i wasn't interested enough to read the whole methodology myself. sure, it's subjective in some sense. science comes up with contradictory results all the time, and even the same study is open to different interpretation regarding relevance. and as we know, there's no such thing as 100% confidence in research. but it seems to me that these people made a pretty good effort in gathering and mining this data. of course i can't personally vouch for the study, and i'm sure you know your stuff about BHT and nitrosating agents, so i'll defer to you on the specifics. but i don't think that finding a few things you disagree with (or even finding a few errors) is enough reason to disregard all the information provided within. baby with bathwater and such.

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    Even essential oils undergo some processing phase, which I don't consider natural because the plants that are used are engineered and exposed to many fertilizers and chemicals. The only way for sure to get some Grade A stuff is to actually press your own organically grown plants yourself and extract the oils.

    As for the dangers of wearing fragrance, I can't say it's completely harmless because I doubt anything is nowadays. I suppose you could reduce the risk by spraying on your clothes, but that would defeat the purpose. I don't think about it much because with all the pollution in the city, fragrance is the least of my worries. If you had any idea what chemicals are used in most food products, you'd think less about cologne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teflondog
    If you had any idea what chemicals are used in most food products, you'd think less about cologne.
    or more about food. :P

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    www.oriscent.com

    I don't know how natural the oils are but they smell unlike anything I've ever come across. *I've tried the sandalwood and aloeswood, *so far.

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    From a discussion on Luca Turin's blog:
    http://lucaturin.typepad.com/perfume...profumoit.html

    There is mention of this site:
    http://naturalperfumery.com/index.htm
    All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

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    Michel Germain (of Sexual fame) introduced an all-natural feminine fragrance called Immaculate back in 2001.

    It didn't last (figureatively and literally). ;D
    "It always seems impossible until it's done." -Nelson Mandela

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    My secret:

    Go for regular checkups, meditate, do volunteer work for your community, exercise, take up jogging/cycling, eat healthily, drink plenty of fluids and throw in an apple a day. You'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milamber
    My secret:

    Go for regular checkups, meditate, do volunteer work for your community, exercise, take up jogging/cycling, eat healthily, drink plenty of fluids and throw in an apple a day. You'll be fine. *

    ...and die of boredom.



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    I think a company called "Herban Cowboy" makes an organic fragrance called Dusk. I've seen it at Whole Foods. It isn't bad, but it isn't great either. Fiancee called it "too flowery" giving it the nix. *
    Yeah, I tested it this evening, and I agree: "Dusk" isn't bad, but not worth $30 to me. I have been trying to figure out which essential oils give it that "dusky" smell: I can't tell, but the aftershave balm has carrot, cucumber, collagen, and aloe... and I noticed it's not listed in the Basenotes Directory. * *Here's the website: http://herbancowboy.com/ Has anyone else tried this and would like to comment?
    Just because a fragrance is expensive, doesn’t necessarily make it smell better than a cheaper one.

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    There are many natural scents available, some great ones. Most of them cant compete on the same field as the synthetically derived and or enhanced contemporary products, either in longevity of sillage or shelf life.
    The concern over health effects of cologne usage seems ludicrous to me when you consider how many other much more serious (and obvious) health concerns face most people. Similar to ordering a diet coke with that gutbuster burger and fries.
    I would agree with milamber.

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    One other source I didn't see mentioned yet is Aveda.
    Their "Pure-fume" cologne is decent, but short on the longevity scale.
    I think Aveda claims to use only natural products.

    Art of Shaving Sandalwood claims to be all-natural as well.

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    The thing about natural ingredients is once they are extracted they are no longer in their natural form. So going only with natural ingredients does not guarantee a level of risk that is equal to routine natural contact. And, in fact, there are common items that contain toxins at non-harmful levels, but when concentrated they can cause harm.

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    I'm surprised no one mentioned Creed. They are very strict about not only having all natural ingredients, but where they get them as well.
    Really, I doubt it, what source do you have for this information?
    All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew_B.
    The thing about natural ingredients is once they are extracted they are no longer in their natural form. So going only with natural ingredients does not guarantee a level of risk that is equal to routine natural contact. And, in fact, there are common items that contain toxins at non-harmful levels, but when concentrated they can cause harm.
    It seems to me that there is some confusion over the terms "natural" and "toxic".

    I would have no qualms about putting pure grain alcohol on my skin every day, but I wouldn't drink a pint of the stuff every day. *Natural substances are not necessarity healthy to eat or put on your skin (ie. many full-strength essential oils are considered toxic for internal AND external use but, when properly diluted, they are known to be safe or even beneficial). *Isn't arsenic (sp) a naturally occuring substance in the blood? *I share Andrew B's view that proportion is the dominant issue here. *That is not to say that we can blindly trust the FDA to protect us from any and all risks associated with the use and consumption of cosmetics and food products. *I don't know if it's true, but I heard in an interview (on NPR) with a cosmetics scientist that the average lipstick-wearing woman ingests a quarter pound of lipstick in a lifetime. *Could lipstick be linked to breast cancer? *Who knows. *In this age of uber-technology, I am sure someone could or has produced a line of completely organic, reasonably non-toxic, long-wearing fragrances with a good shelf life. *If there's a big enough market someone will supply it.

    PS. *Conversely, just because it's synthetic doesn't mean it's toxic either. *I think you get my drift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanzio
    After reading this http://www.environmentalhealth.ca/fall97scents.html *I really got concerned about wearing fragrances :-?... I really wish I could find a 100% natural fragrance, *just natural ingredients. Can you help me? I wonder if there is one, just one... :'(
    I don't have all of the answers but do work with plants, food and herbs. *"Natural" is a meaningless term. *Poison ivy is natural. *You wouldn't put it on your skin. *Technically, "organic" means that it's carbon-based, which is the majority of natural substances in the world, but of course that's not what you meant either. *You meant a plant-derived fragrance, grown organically, as in grown and processed without toxic pesticides and fertilizers. *The field of organics is regulated differently in many countries, so you need to be aware of where things are grown and processed. *

    That being said, you could easily have a sensitivity to a perfectly natural and organically grown substance, the same way that some people have common food allergies and others have seasonal allergies and hayfever. *We are all different and there's research being done worldwide about whether some people, of pure ethnic backgrounds, can safely digest certain foods and herbs (that their bodies have evolved to safely digest), while others from other ethnic backgrounds or races, might have sensitivities to those same plants which aren't native to the part of the world where they or their ancestors are from. *And since so many of us are now of mixed ancestry, this can be difficult to answer.

    But back to fragrances. *There are companies that do sell organic essential oils; I'm sorry that I don't have any names offhand to offer. *But then again, you might have skin sensitivities to some of these oils anyway, so you should be aware of that possibility. *Also, there are many essential oils that just shouldn't be applied directly to your skin, but must be diluted in a carrier oil to be safe. *And there are some people, such as massage therapists, that use essential oils every day and have developed sensitivities to the oils normally considered benign, so moderation, as mentioned earlier here by someone else, is also important. *There are essential oils to avoid if you have certain health conditions, or are taking certain medications, or even if you're pregnant or nursing (for any women reading this). *

    I don't know how (or if) fragrances are regulated in any way. *But there are organizations, such as the Environmental Working Group, that do report about certain ingredients used in cosmetics *Here's a link to their site:

    http://www.ewg.org/issues/siteindex/...p?issueid=5005

    The skin is the largest organ of the human body and we definitely absorb so many toxins through the skin, but of course naturally ingest so many more in our foods, beverages and even water. * There's been some talk that self-tanning lotions might be carcinogenic, but I don't know if this has yet been proven by anyone. * I'd really advise reading research done by reputable groups, to ease your comfort about health concerns. *I think some European countries often have stricter health codes (but not always) than the FDA, so perhaps you might search some of their national health websites.

    As for applying fragrances, why not just open a window when you do so, so that you're not directly breathing in any vapors? *That would at least reduce your respiratory intake of any possible substances you have concerns about. *Or just apply them outdoors, before getting dressed each morning. *I'm sure your neighbors might enjoy the free show. * *

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanzio
    After reading this http://www.environmentalhealth.ca/fall97scents.html *I really got concerned about wearing fragrances :-?... I really wish I could find a 100% natural fragrance, *just natural ingredients. Can you help me? I wonder if there is one, just one... :'(

    Hope you find one. Please search for it somewhere else. These threads are so boring and unenlightening. Droning on and on about the safety of everything.

    Don't be so afraid. There are all kinds of ways to use natural scents. Seek them out. This probably isn't the best place. It was a "natural" perfumer who pulled all the dynamic out of the Luca Turin blog and prompted Turin to abandon his contribution to those who appreciated the complexity of the world of perfumes and his unique insight.
    “....A perfume is a message in a bottle, not a smell, and the message is written by the perfumer and read by the person who smells it.” Luca Turin

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    “Creed is not market-dictated even today. We continue using the infusion method for extracting pure scents from flowers, buds and roots. Many perfume companies have stopped this traditional method as it is time consuming, laborious and costly. Synthetic products are commonly used instead,”
    -Erwin Creed (heir to the Creed throne)
    This is only claiming that they use some natural products, not that they use only natural products.

    however the longevity of their fine scents should be proof enough that they aren't adding preservatives either.
    I don't know what preservatives have to do with longevity.
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    I thought the whole purpose of preservatives was to increase longevity. *Yes? *No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eau Boy
    I thought the whole purpose of preservatives was to increase longevity. *Yes? *No?
    Preservatives protect longevity as in product shelf-life. The longevity of the scent once it's on your skin is controlled by other factors.

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    http://www.creedfragrances.co.uk/sit...ge/gq_nov_2002

    Read the previously posted article, as well as this one. These guys are commited to fine ingredients.
    Creed, 59, ... The world’s greatest living “nose”
    LOL, you don't really believe that stuff do you? Creed is certainly committed to pure hype.
    All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

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    as i posted a few days ago

    "Wherever possible, Olivier Creed insists on using natural essences instead of the synthetic ones used increasingly by large perfume companies these days."

    from http://www.creedfragrances.co.uk/site/about_creed (emphasis added by me)

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    Creed, 59, ... The world’s greatest living “nose”

    I''ll buy that.

    "Don’t try to be original. Be simple. Be good technically, and if there is something in you, it will come out. ” - Henri Matisse.

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    [quote author=pluran link=1129616721/45#46 date=1147663154][quote author=Sanzio link=1129616721/0#0 date=1129616721]


    Hope you find one. Please search for it somewhere else. These threads are so boring and unenlightening.
    Droning on and on about the safety of everything.



    Well Pluran. *I find it curious that you would follow a thread that you find so boring. *In my opinion the Basenotes Community is exactly the place to discuss "all things fragrance". *Heck, there's even an "off topic" forum. *I'm interested in non-synthetic fragrances purely as a niche craft and I appreciated the recs for sources of such fragrances. *
    Just because a thread bores or annoys you, doesn't mean it has no place in the forum. *I do, however appreciate your reference to the Luka Turin Blog. *I intend to look it up.

    Respectfully,
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    Constant contradiction in Science is essential, and I just stay out of the way and do what I want. Worrying is more detrimental to your Health than Inner Peace.

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    There is a 100% Natural Fragrance! It's called AJNE and it's been on the market for just over a year. They recently launched at Bendel's in New York and you can check out their website at www.ajne.com. They list all their ingredients and the perfumist Jane Hendler is trained in ancient alchemy and she does not use ANY synthetics in her fragrances. Which I might add are just divine and very complex. They average about 20-notes each. You can order samples from her website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teflondog
    This has been asked before and the response was basically no. It's hard enough to find 100% natural food nowadays let alone fragrances. If a scent was 100% natural, it would be a really difficult task to keep it from going stale. Just like food, it would only stay fresh for a limited time in the refrigerator.
    The challenge with natural perfumes is not so much their life shelf (alcohol never gets spoiled, it just evaporates; and oils such as jojoba which I use in my oil based perfumes; virtually never go rancid). My experience with natural perfumes is that they last perfectly well for at least two years, when stored properly. Often times, they ever get better after that.

    The challenges in natural perfumery are based in some of the aesthetic limitations: a narrower range of notes, as well as challenges of creating a scent that has both enough sillage as well as longevity. There are quite a few independant natural perfume houses that use essences such as essential oils, absolutes, concretes and CO2 extractions and tinctures (of course you may argue that these aren't natural either, because in nature the scent of the plants is "diluted" within the non-aromatic part of the plants, etc.) but this is as close to "natural" as you can get with perfumes.

    As for safety - I would like to point out that all aromachemicals and aromatic essences (as the ones described above - essential oils, absolutes) are extremely concentrated, and even when diluted are still very powerful. If they weren't, they wouldn't have had that strong smell!
    To create one drop of rose oil, many kilos of roses needs to be distilled. This is much more concentrated than rose scent appears in "nature". I recommend pregnant women to not wear any fragrance at all (or as little as possible and very diluted) when pregnant. Scents get absorbed into the body through the bloodstream and through inhalation without getting filtered in the liver, so they affect the body quite strongly. However, I find personally that although the skin is as sensitive to natural essences as it is to any chemicals, the effect that natural perfumes and essences have on the nervous system and the respiratory system is profoundly gentler. Many of my customers and clients who have suffered allergic reactions (eye-watering, sneezing and respiratory shock) to commercial perfumes containing chemicals had no adverse reactions whatsoever to my "all-natural" perfumes. I know people who developed migranes and headaches when wearing commercial perfumes experience none of these symptoms where they were wearing perfumes from my line.

    I personally prefer to use scents only on my pulse points (as opposed to my entire skin) as to let my skin and my body be, while still enjoying perfumes. This way both my skin and my nose (and mind and heart of course) are happy...

    For reference: quite a large group of natural perfumers (and me amongst them) are member of the Artisan Natural Perfumery Guild, and are listed both on this site:http://artisannaturalperfumers.org/
    and on http://naturalperfumery.com/
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