With few, if any, exceptions I'd agree with you here. I find Creed to be on the fence in terms of my considering it a niche frag or not. They're high quality, but still mainstream and wearable. I think that's why there's so much controversy here regarding Creed. They don't seem to push the envelope artistically/creatively, but rather make very good, quality, and marketable scents, which they charge a premium for.Originally Posted by mugler
I see where you're coming from. I felt exactly the same way the first time I tried SL frags. Give them time and a few wearings, and I think they will redefine masculinity for you. (I hear the laughing out there!!) But, pick up some samples on ebay or from BN members. For the most "masculine" SL frags try Vetyver Oriental, Gris Clair, and Encens et Lavande. Also, Fumerie Turque, Cuir Mauresque, and Miel de Bois all strike me as more masculine than many other SL scents. MKK also seems masculine to me, maybe more masculine than feminine. Next on my list would be Chergui, just to give you a reference point. I haven't tried Daim Blonde, but judging from comments here, I think it's more to the traditionally "feminine" side of the scale.Originally Posted by mugler
Well, I've never gotten saliva from that one! T42 is pretty thick, dense, smokey, and with a honey note. Maybe the thickness of it reminds you of saliva? There are many other L'Artisans to try, so I wouldn't judge the whole house on T42. Like SL, they will take some time to make sense (it's like learning anything, the first time you hear, taste, smell, or see something, it doesn't necessarily register as pleasant, even if later it will come to be so).Originally Posted by mugler
Lots to respond to here. First, this is an interesting illustration regarding what is considered "masculine" and how that changes over time. Most oriental scents at one point in time would have been considered "feminine." I still think of many masculine orientals as leaning unisex to feminine (e.g., Pi, LeMale, Opium, etc.). (Interestingly, SL is generally considered to make oriental frags, and SL scents are the ones you find most traditionally feminine.)Originally Posted by mugler
Anyway, I think the key to "getting" niche frags is to understand that they don't necessarily hold themselves to the profit-generating standards that designer frags are held to. Many designer frag "houses" are owned by large companies, which in turn are owned by even larger companies, which have boards of directors, shareholders or at least many stakeholders. These people all want (or need) to make money, so designer frags have to appeal to lots of people to sell a lot of bottles. Niche frags it seems are usually smaller, privately owned, and therefore have more creative license to make things that don't necessarily sell a lot of bottles, since the number of people who need to profit from it, and the overhead, are smaller. They can spend more time and money developing a scent, and then charge more because of their luxury status. Please note, I see this as a rule of thumb, not applicable in every single case, but it helps to explain the unusual, or even bizarre, qualities of some niche frags.
As far as what "to look out for," I'm not sure how to answer that one. Nothing to look out for really. They won't bite! Just keep trying them and keep an open mind. You may come to like things that you never thought you would have (I did).