I nearly said the same thing. Thanks for that.Originally Posted by gingerpress
The problem is this: To talk about rap in public is to argue/preach about racism, which can turn chromatic subjects like plagiarism into B&W absolutes. But my issues with Combs have nothing to do with that. The first rap artist to start his own fashion label was Dana Dane (of IV Plai Boutique), and that was fifteen years ago. It's a bit late to be worried about the couture neighborhood.He may rip off other artist's music, but he has won 3 Grammy awards- a remarkable achievement.
The problem -- label-paid A&R people who want to displace their own artists for selfish reasons -- is not limited to any genre or ethnicity. Business-to-artist plagiarism worries me because we've entered an extremely corporate era, and because people who devote their lives to perfecting an art get few enough chances already. It also upsets me to have spent most of my life as a studio musician watching other musicians be stolen from. Publishing, royalties and recognition: all get gaffled by higher-ups unless the original creator proves strong and savvy. During breaks from some of my first sessions, I recall watching Tashan walk into Studio B of Intergalactic, record himself singing, rapping and playing every single instrument on his album, Chasin' A Dream, only to find out months later that Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin took full credit for his work. That happens all the time in dance music and hip-hop. Just ask the godfather of "appropriation," Arthur Baker. (Then again, many would argue that rap is among other things a form of revenge against the culture that, um, appropriated rock and jazz.)
Three Grammys, you say? An achievement, definitely. But not any more remarkable than that of other celebrities who pay for their hits. And I don't mean to single Combs out: Much of the authorship and style that wins public music awards is either boosted or bought from those who are not in a position to argue. That such a serious subject came up in the context of people calling Combs cliché names is sad, really, and my fault, of course -- which is why I'll stop breaking my own rules. I should probably exit the train at this stop, sniff-fiend Empresses and Gs, since I can't even remember what Unforgivable smells like.[/quote]
dude are you crazy? your clearly trying to get me to just ignore what happened with statements like these
"Trouble is, we're all derailing ourselves by talking about what we're talking about. I don't know if it's possible to have a sane conversation about hip-hop on a non-hip-hop board -- especially when we're supposed to be discussing cologne. "
Thats the exact kind of reponse I was talking about earlier. let it be let it be, be nice, lets move on, yadda yadda. If you look at my history of posts on this board im not someone that just sits back and goes with the flow, I'll say what I'll say if I think its right. I'm sure you can tell im also no blumbering idiot that just speaks his mind. I read between the lines and I'll call people out on whatever theyre saying. I hate the way discussion in america has degenerated to this kinda word for word lawyer like analysis nowadays. Reasons for that I wont get into! Its not my goal to make enemies here either, in fact, I don't even feel that from my perspective I should be enemies with banzaiburger or anyone else I've gotten into a heated discussion with here. I'd be a fool to think that a large segment of the american population doesn't secretly think african americans should still be hanging in trees (I can already see the long lists of posts contesting me on this one, get real people). Basicly my message has been from the beginning: Racism exists! and that I acknowledge, but do it on your own time at your kitchen table or whatever, not here at basenotes!