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    Default Unclassifiable fragances?

    When I read comments about fragances, they always include a reference to the family or the dominant note of those scents, like "X is a classic chypre", or "Y is the best musk/rubber/cinnamon". It seems like you can put a tag on every fragance and automatically it belongs to a certain group. What I would like to know is if there are scents that you cannot relate to any category, scents that don't smell like anything in particular, becoming a category on their own.
    I hope I have expressed myself clearly. I'm waiting for your answers!
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    I still can't figure out Drakkar Noir. First fragrance I ever had, and still can't figure out what the hell it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gus
    What I would like to know is if there are scents that you cannot relate to any category, scents that don't smell like anything in particular, becoming a category on their own.
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    YSL Nu

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    From smell alone, I can't classify Kouros. I just can't pick out the notes in this one without looking in the directory. Some say it's floral while others describe it as powdery. I don't see how they get any of those from this scent.

    I'm sure someone's going to comment on this and make a smart remark (ie. It's classified as crap). ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by teflondog
    From smell alone, I can't classify Kouros. I just can't pick out the notes in this one without looking in the directory. Some say it's floral while others describe it as powdery. I don't see how they get any of those from this scent.

    I'm sure someone's going to comment on this and make a smart remark (ie. It's classified as crap). *;D
    It's too good to be classified. Only the fragrance elite truly understand this masterpiece. It's like art where the masses don't get whats so great about Picasso, etc.
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    Those scents which we typically label as "clean" such as Tommy T, Gendarme and Clean for men defy classification to an extent because you'd be hardpressed to call them anything other than "clean" and that's not a fragrance category.

    Also you have companies like CdG and Demeter that makes fragrances which smell exactly or close to something else in the real world. That defies classification because it doesn't need any. You just say, creme brulee is a scent that smells like creme brulee.

    Quote Originally Posted by Informer
    I still can't figure out Drakkar Noir. *First fragrance I ever had, and still can't figure out what the hell it is.
    Fougere.

    It's too good to be classified. Only the fragrance elite truly understand this masterpiece. It's like art where the masses don't get whats so great about Picasso, etc.
    Another fougere. Finally, someone who can expalin Kouros' reason for being. Do elucidate further as i await the answer to the question of the universe that has vexed me for the longest time.

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    Odeur 53 and 71 immediately come to mind, they just smell like too many things at once, truly in a category by themselves. ;D
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    Escada Magnetism (it just smells purple)
    L'Anarchiste (halloween potpourii?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by milamber

    [quote author=Informer link=1130433459/0#1 date=1130434153]I still can't figure out Drakkar Noir. First fragrance I ever had, and still can't figure out what the hell it is.
    Fougere..[/quote]


    See, I just don't see that. Then again, I'm really bad at telling whether a scent is clean or not, or any of that jazz. I just know what I like.
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    Miel de Bois and Bois Farine.
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    There's no such thing.

    Positively, every human being could place every fragrance he/she sniffed into "I like it" or "I don't like it" group.

    Far more sophisticated guys who call themselves "scentaholics" can make it into three.
    The third group is named "undecided".

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    As soon as fragrance factories make their own classifications (Givaudan, MANE, etc) so ANY fragrance is going to be in every classification - even not in only one class sometimes.

    I think even anti-parfum conceptioned Rei Kavakubo`s CDG scents and odours could be classified - maybe just by one molecule.

    The most complicated case should be the fragrances that made out of ONE chemical - like Velviona by Helmut Lang (see Luca Turin blog, it`s just one chemical musc).
    But pure oils could fall in classes easily - like `cedarwood - woody`, `ambergris - animalic`, etc...
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    When you compare the PerfumeWorld classifications, the H&R classifications, the OsMoz ones and the Michael Edwards ones, you will see plenty of examples where they don't agree. Clearly, the individual classifier used some discretion in coming to his or her conclusion.

    Examples,
    Hugo Dark Blue *- an ambery fougere by H&R, an oriental spicy by PW and OsMoz, and a mossy one by Edwards (I go along with Edwards)

    Egoiste - an oriental spicy by H&R, an oriental fougere by OsMoz, a woody spicy by PW (I can't see what's oriental about it)

    Tiffany for men *- Oriental Ambery by H&R, Woody Chypre by OsMoz, and Chypre Floral by PW *

    All scents can be classified, but plenty of experts don't classify an individual scent the same way. If you think about a scent and sniff it *a lot, you can usually identify some element that led to their decisions, though it wouldn't necessarily have been the dominant factor were you making the decision.

    Also, the classifications don't always match up among individual classifiers. For example, the H&R charts use the term Aldehydic in classifying female scents. But they don't use it in classifying *male scents. So aldehydic male scents like Perry Ellis 360º get lumped into chypres, which is inconsistent with its classification had it been a female scent.
    Renato

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    Wow, the last several posts have been very "deep" way over my knowledge base of fragrances as it stands.
    However, for me personally, the one that I can't really classify is Polo Black. To ME it just has no defining notes. I think that is why I just can't warm to it, to me it just comes off as bland. But wait, I guess I just catagorized it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renato
    When you compare the PerfumeWorld classifications, the H&R classifications, the OsMoz ones and the Michael Edwards ones, you will see plenty of examples where they don't agree. Clearly, the individual classifier used some discretion in coming to his or her conclusion........Also, the classifications don't always match up among individual classifiers. For example, the H&R charts use the term Aldehydic in classifying female scents. But they don't use it in classifying male scents. So aldehydic male scents like Perry Ellis 360º get lumped into chypres, which is inconsistent with its classification had it been a female scent.
    Renato
    WOW - your summary of my dilemma!

    It reconfirms why I keep getting irritated by classifications and scent pyramids. Where I am promised jasmine and roses I sometimes pick up geranium and cauliflower only.

    I still believe my nose 'understands' fragrances moderately well, but when it requires verbal descriptions every expert uses his own bablefish!


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