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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    Yet, I believe that there is a universal template (like Da Vinci's "Vitruvian Man") for what we perceive as beautyful / aestheticaly striking, that is burried very deep in our nature (so that it is not that much dependend on the psychology of marketing).

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    Good point, very true

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    To me there's a clear difference between male and female fragrances. I wear a bunch of ultra-sweet fragrances that many people say are unisex or even feminine, but to my nose there is a big difference in smells of male and female fragrances. Givenchy Pi is the one that I'd really call unisex though; my girlfriend was wearing a sample of Pure DKNY that i gave her and i thought she was wearing Pi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pollux View Post

    Add to all this one's personal policies regarding one's hobby - my wardrobe is quite big, so I have to decide which kind of scents to buy, this ruling out femenines (the ones I bought were before I became aware and decided on this) - as well as personal tastes - for me, wearing loud scents regardless of their notes is a sign of affection, plain scent wearing ignorance or just bad taste.

    So, after all this thoughts, all you get is a... just enjoy whatever you like!
    I hear you, and agree, my point was to those who make an excuse to wear feminine scents, i've seen someone say they wear Black Orchid, Double Vanille, Shalimar and i think Narciso Rodriguez for her, and there is nothing wrong with wearing female scents. While that is true, im questioning whether or not he wears those not because he enjoys some feminine scents, but because those for fragrances can easily be put on a male scent shelf and be bought and sold by men without a problem because of their hugely 'masculine' influences....

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    As for your main point, which i understand to mean that there are just some notes/structures that appeal to men or women and that the "women's" ones that men wear are essentially mens constructions, while I agree that there are some notes that people generally prefer, I'm not sure that I would agree with you there are only two reasons why men would buy a women's frag. You've said it's either because they're a collector so they just buy anything, or they're really buying a men's frag dressed by marketing as a lady's.

    There's also the question of the chicken and the egg. Do boys like blue because they've always been surrounded by blue and told blue is for boys and they should like it? Ie, do men like leather and vetiver scents (or whatever) because they can't get away from it? and women like roses because they're in every women's frag?


    I think that within a community like ours, we're more like art apreciators (?). Ie, when we run out of stuff that just smells nice, we start looking for things that smell interesting, or unique. An experience, a story, an expression of an abstract concept. I've bought some frags because
    1. I find them inherently interesting or unusual and I want to understand them further. Eg Black Orchid. It's polarizing. I'm fascinated and must own it and wear it to try and understand this beast. Do I inherently love the smell? I don't even know, nor do I care at this point. I'm looking for an interesting experience, not just to smell good. In that case I don't really care if it's mens or womens or if it even smells "good".
    2. It's meant to be feminine (eg Chanel no.5) and I feel like I can challenge my preconceptions about fragrance and gender in general by wearing it. It's almost a little thrilling to be test myself by wearing something I "should" be uncomfortable wearing because it's a floral or something.
    3. It's a "must own". I find I don't actually relate to many of Guerlain's frags. They're from a time past. But I know I should respect them and I have them since they are landmarks, whether male or female, they are the predecessors to many others.
    4. Maybe it just smells nice, so I buy it and wear it. If you told me Tabac was for women, i'd still probably get a bottle, just incase because it smells nice.


    and there's the point as mentioned that some are released as mens or womens and switched over time.
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    HARD TO FIND - Lavender Palm, Arabian Wood, and AMBER ABSOLUTE, etc...


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    I think a blind test would be more useful.

    http://www.basenotes.net/threads/253...all-experiment

    You can try the same thing.

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    2. It's meant to be feminine (eg Chanel no.5) and I feel like I can challenge my preconceptions about fragrance and gender in general by wearing it. It's almost a little thrilling to be test myself by wearing something I "should" be uncomfortable wearing because it's a floral or something.

    And i applaud this, many people would put fear and pre conceived notions about how they smell to others before doing this, but a part of my point is maybe a large percentage of men would not do this, in terms of reasoning when buying a womens fragrance.

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    There's also the question of the chicken and the egg. Do boys like blue because they've always been surrounded by blue and told blue is for boys and they should like it? Ie, do men like leather and vetiver scents (or whatever) because they can't get away from it? and women like roses because they're in every women's frag?
    It's the "Nature versus nurture"-debate. At this point, I am fairly certain that both play a huge role. Of course socialisation is a huge factor in how humans live their gender roles but there's also a significant amount of 'hardcoded' information envolved. I tend to think that heredity outweighs socialisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    It's the "Nature versus nurture"-debate. At this point, I am fairly certain that both play a huge role. Of course socialisation is a huge factor in how humans live their gender roles but there's also a significant amount of 'hardcoded' information envolved. I tend to think that heredity outweighs socialisation.
    Yeah both do play a huge role, and I like you would like to think heredity wins, but i cant help but think if our western society was not so capitalistic would our views be different?

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    As many experienced Basenoters correctly pointed out, long I before did, the masculine/feminine separation came very late, in comparison to the true age of perfume history from day one onwards and was initially there mainly for marketing purposes

    Besides, I do find myself all the time discovering truly masculine notes in e.g. Le Dix by Balenciaga, the female Opium by YSL or Ispahan by Yves Rocher
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlouismi View Post
    Yeah both do play a huge role, and I like you would like to think heredity wins, but i cant help but think if our western society was not so capitalistic would our views be different?
    I am sure, they would. I also think that in times of gender confusion (emancipation of women, androgynity in the pop culture etc) our society is divided between those who appreciate just that and those who long for the ease of clarity. The eighties were probably the pinacle of this conflict but it's been smouldering on ever since. It's no wonder that the 70ies and 80ies brought us the most masculine scents while at the same time the gender distinctions melted away. In times like these there's a growing demand for anything that provides clarity.

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    I wear women's fragrances because I want to be Paris Hilton's BFF. I say this because there doesn't have to be a reason why a man wears a fragrance marketed towards women. The reason could be as silly as "I want to be Paris Hilton's BFF." If you like the fragrance, wear it. I'm sure the perfumers would love that you want to wear their creation.
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    I wear women's fragrances because I want to be Paris Hilton's BFF.
    while i appreciate the sarcasm, this was intended to be a mature conversation.

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    I wear mostly feminine and unisex fragrances because my favorite genre is florals ( mostly female-designated ), orientals ( about an even split with many designated unisex ). I look for fragrances based mostly on my favorite notes ( e.g. jasmine, civet, cardamon ); gender is simply not a consideration for me, only whether I like how it smells on me.

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    Tastes have changed over the years. Really "girly" fragrances seem to have lost their appeal for many women, and more and more men's fragrances have begun to feature "feminine" notes, like jasmine, tuberose, honeysuckle (white florals have really invaded men's fragrances).

    Also, I think in general, the whole gender role stereotyping thing has changed in Western society, especially among younger guys. The impact of gay men on fashion and perfume was always there, but sub rosa. Now, it seems to be more out in the open as acceptance for sexual variation seems to have increased in many places.

    I'm generalizing, of course, and there are exceptions to every generalization. You might call me a collector, but I do (at least occasionally) wear some of
    the "feminines" (even the more traditional ones) in my collection. The only truly unused bottles I have are back-ups for ones that are running low.

    In the end, there are as many reasons for perfume choices as there are scents and people to wear them. Remember the formula for permutations: n!/(n - k)! How many people have how many perfumes each? Factorials are geometric in nature; at about 11! or 12! calculators start to be unable to display the result!
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    Perhaps people's reasons for wearing feminine frags could be erroneously misinterpreted as excuses.

    Everybody has a unique reason for doing whatever they do. I wear some feminine frags because they smell great, are very well made, and do not make me feel like i am wearing a leotard and lipstick. Some fem frags are more butch than some masulines i have (Magie Noire by Lancome) yet some are just so creamy that i would feel cheated not being able to wear them for some reason or the other (Encre Noir pour Elle). Yet i am a card-carrying powerhouse frag lover.

    The feminine frags i like will be different from the ones another guy likes, simply because our tastes differ, not necessarily our perception of what is feminine and why we wear them.

    This is a very thought-provoking thread and thanks, jlouismi, for sharing.
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    Choose between two answers - short and long.

    1. Short:

    As PetrucciJ said, scents don't have genitalia, and MikePerez dixit, your pee pee won't fall off if you wear a female scent. So gender does not matter at all, it is all related to personal tastes.

    2. Long:

    Check out fragrances classified according to their families and you will realize mostly florals are femenine and orientals / spicy / woody / leather scents are mostly clasified as masculines.

    Now, there are some florals that are classified as masculines (Insensé) and some orientals/ woody / spicy / leather scents that are classified as femenine (Bandit - leather).

    Add to this the fact that some are not truly "honest" to their gender qualification - ie, and as far as my experience goes, Cabochard being femenine and being worn by a man is identifiied as a masculine scent, Dior Homme being a masculine scent and being worn by a woman is identified as a femenine.

    Now, let's add some confusion: top notes can be femenine (ie: florals) and base notes masculine (ie: leather). So, again, as my experience goes, the basenotes of Quartz pour femme by Moulineux are described as masculine, and more even so when compared to the drydown of another men's fragrance I cannot recall its name.

    I have plenty of anecdotes on how misleading scents can be in terms of gender:

    - Jovan's Musk for men was my sis' signature scent and no one got its manly character,
    - Once I wore JHL once and was told Opium pour Femme did smell great on me.
    - While wearing Mitsouko I was told "oh, that you are wearng is SO virile".
    - Once I was asked if I were wearing Chanel N° 5 (with an expression of awe, of course): no, I was not, it was a really dirty cheap cologne with a drydown that is quite similar to that of Chanel's.

    Add historical facts - ie, Old Spice was targeted to women, proved a flop, rerelased for men.... and became a success.

    Now, noses have traditionally worked for a mostly femenine market until the 1960's - 1970's, when men started to use scents. That meant that the had to work on gender-related styles since then, the reason why some classics feel masculine - vintage Shocking (Jean Carles, 1937) is very similar to Kouros, Tabu (same, 1932) smells much alike to Lagerfeld Classic (1978), etc. Did Bernard Chant realized this? I gues so, Cabochard (1959) has the same structure as Aramis (1973), but with more floral notes in it. Now, the time has come when men are not afraid of using bold scents in their sweetness, once a femenine trademark, so you've got truly femenine masculine scents - I am thinking of A*men, Lolita Lempicka et al.

    The point being, manufacturers deliver information on their products to customers that do not justify spending time in acquiring the information needed in order to analyze their offers. Thus, if they are being told scent A is a masculine, they will buy it regardless of prominent notes present or the character of the blend.

    Add to all this one's personal policies regarding one's hobby - my wardrobe is quite big, so I have to decide which kind of scents to buy, this ruling out femenines (the ones I bought were before I became aware and decided on this) - as well as personal tastes - for me, wearing loud scents regardless of their notes is a sign of affection, plain scent wearing ignorance or just bad taste.

    So, after all this thoughts, all you get is a... just enjoy whatever you like!
    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlouismi View Post
    I hear you, and agree, my point was to those who make an excuse to wear feminine scents, i've seen someone say they wear Black Orchid, Double Vanille, Shalimar and i think Narciso Rodriguez for her, and there is nothing wrong with wearing female scents. While that is true, im questioning whether or not he wears those not because he enjoys some feminine scents, but because those for fragrances can easily be put on a male scent shelf and be bought and sold by men without a problem because of their hugely 'masculine' influences....
    Social pressure? Indeed, you are darn right. Besides the fact that it is not poliitcally correct to disagree on men wearing perfumes....

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    Look at my SotD...How about the fact that it just smells good, nothing less, nothing more.
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    Peer & social pressure do play a part in shaping your preferences esp. when one is younger & more impressionable. At that age, many of us just want to :

    (a)fit in with our peers
    (b)do not want to offend anyone with our fragrance
    (c)trying to score with the girls
    (d)stand out from the crowd so you can get to (c)
    (e) all of the above

    I remember when I was 10, I used to read the Nancy Drew mysteries - a series with a female protagonist. I picked up the book because that was what my elder sister borrowed from the library. I continued reading Nancy Drew books until one day, a girl looked at me and wondered out aloud to her friend, "Why is that boy reading a book for girls?" I stopped reading Nancy Drews from then on & started on Hardy Boys. Same goes with fragrances, really.

    But as you get older & become more aware of your own strengths, you see the BS that many people buy as truth and become less fearful about experimenting. That's when you start pushing the boundaries. Arguably the male 'female fragrance' wearers have pushed their boundaries a little further than those who are still stuck within their macho fragrance comfort zone.

    Either way, if you're perfectly happy where you are, why should you give a sh*t about what others think about your fragrance wearing habit & preference? Wear what you want, be happy & stay that way. Negativity sucks the marrow out of life; better to hang around with more positive thinkers who will find something positive to say about your scents & talk about topics more interesting than the 'genitalia of fragrances'.

    I buy & wear whatever smells good on me. And 3 out of 4 times, I'd pick a unisex or a 'feminine' as a matter of preference. But interestingly, my GF tends to pick from my wardrobe the more 'masculine' options for herself. She's never hung up over whether a scent is male- or female-marketed.
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    Personally I think it's a combination of social expectations and personality. Take myself, for instance. Now nobody is going to confuse me for Rambo, but I'm what you would consider a man's man, I'm straight as an arrow, and probably a little rough around the edges in some ways. Highly floral, nice pretty things just aren't me. I can clean up ok, but dressing really spiffy and elegant isn't my style. I can appreciate them on others, but they would be out of place on me, I think.

    Now spicy, woody type scents are probably more in keeping with my stoic, trouble-making nature.

    To be totally honest, I find I have to tune down a little on the scents I like when I'm on the chase for women, as they probably find my natural style a little too aggressive. That is why I will tend to make concessions and look for middle-ground scents I really like as well (ex. Creed MI, Musc Ravageur)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlouismi View Post
    Now first of all, this isn't for all female scent wearers, im merely throwing something out there as to why some men like scents for women.

    Now, its a general, worldwide 'men are from mars, women from venus' thing, women are softer in nature, some like things cute and cuddly, as opposed to what a man likes, and as a consequence, they might prefer a note in their fragrance that is very soft and powdery, men (depending on their reasoning for wearing a fragrance) might choose something not soft and powdery.

    This might not be applicable to true collectors of perfume, who buy for other reasons than wearing them, but for those who aren't but buy 'womens' fragrances, is it more to do with the fact that there is a particular note in a woman's perfume that is more regularly found in 'masculine' fragrances?

    For instance, you can find almost all notes that have been in both male and female scents, its just the way they are composed, take tobacco or vetiver for example, you can tell the notes when you smell them, regardless of what scent they are in, but theres a way they are composed that makes them seem 'feminine' or 'masculine'.

    My opinion is, SOME buy women's fragrances simply because there are masculine composed notes in them, mixed with the quintessential feminine note, some say its acceptable to wear.

    Its not marketing, its not that its genderless, its because it some female scents smell masculine, and thats why you wear it and say theres nothing wrong with wearing a womens perfume. The reality is, most men wouldn't buy a womens deodorant, even though deodorant is made for one job regardless of gender, skin type, sweat glands etc, its because of how it smells, if Sure for women smelt like Right Guard for men, men would wear Sure for women, and say there is nothing wrong with wearing womens deodorant. Thats my point. Again, just an opinion.
    I disagree. I wear fragrances for the notes that i enjoy, not because they suggest feminine or masculine sides. I enjoy spices, vanilla, some flowers, aldehydes, cream musks, woods, citrus. I just don't feel that it's right to limit my olfactory experiences trying to put them in sex terms. It's what the industry try to sell and it's what most people will buy, but to me fragrance is above all the things art, and art cannot be restrained to this approach. Fragrance is one of the areas of my life that i feel most free. I just wear what makes me feel happy, I'm not searching for men, or woman fragrances, i just search for fragrances. My taste for fragrances went to this direction and to me it's pointless to waist my time not wearing some that i like just because it's marketed for another sex besides mine.

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    Although I can see that the gender in fragrances is a helpful for someone who doesn't want to go deeper in the world of fragrances. With so many products being launched every year, it'd be kind of stressing for a regular costumer to choose a new scent. I think that the classifying system that i enjoy the best is the one that luckyscent started to adopt. They tell you in what direction a fragrance go, more femine or more masculine, without gendering it fully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasenmann View Post
    Yet, I believe that there is a universal template (like Da Vinci's "Vitruvian Man") for what we perceive as beautyful / aestheticaly striking, that is burried very deep in our nature (so that it is not that much dependend on the psychology of marketing)...
    I disagree
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    All i have to say is wear what makes you feel good,no matter what. I've worn alot of mens fragrances that people have said it smells like girls perfume,go figure. :0) And i've had alot of men ask me what are you wearing it smells nice where can i get that. And it was a womans perfume.

    I myself wear Shalimar and it happens to be one of my favorite fragrances,including Habanita & Narcisse Noir. I also love alot of the Hermes womens fragrances also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron199 View Post
    Look at my SotD...How about the fact that it just smells good, nothing less, nothing more.
    Completely agree Ron.
    Ditto for my SotE - bought it today. Marketed towards the fairer sex and smells amazing on me (according to my G/F). I never pigeonhole fragrance whether by sex, age or anything else. If I sample something and it appeals to my nose my wallet will invariably end up lighter regardless of the gender it is marketed towards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
    I disagree
    ok, but what's your take on the subject then? Do you believe that those persisting gender cliches (boys prefer blue to pink, play with toy guns and cars rather than Barbies etc) are just a product of our education/society?

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    Great discussion and great points from everybody here!
    I wear perfumes regardless of the gender they are marketed for. Manlyness is a state of mind, no matter what you wear and after all if you wea also a very feminine scent, let's say a girlish rose, it doesn't affect your manlyness if you have pleasure from this scent. After all where there's taste, there's no damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by JON RODGERS View Post
    ...I never pigeonhole fragrance whether by sex, age or anything else. If I sample something and it appeals to my nose my wallet will invariably end up lighter regardless of the gender it is marketed towards.
    Agreed. This way, one expands horizons of satisfaction.

    Co-incidentally, i am wearing Guerlain's Aqua Allegoria Flora Nymphea, marketed to women. My wife, not suspecting, said it smelt very nice on me. Now she too has one more frag in "her" arsenal, since what's mine (and she likes) is hers as well....
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    I regularly wear Brit for men, which is soft and powdery (going back to the OPs comments) and sweet and floral to boot. I had a work colleague tell me this week that I smelt like a 'tarts handbag'. Do I care? No, I love the stuff, it puts me in a good mood.

    I do have trouble with certain notes that are common in perfume marketed at women, they just don't fit my personality. Jasmine would be one such note. But it means I just as unlikely to wear 'mens' frags that have strong Jasmine note, like Jaipur, as I am something like Pure Poison.

    I realise recently, that the website I use most for buying fragrance, only has mens and womens pages, and don't know how to handle unisex frags, so they sell some of my favourites and I had no idea, because they were in with the womens scents. That just goes to show how arbitrary these labels can be.

    Lastly, I've got my wife interested in Midnight Poison, to the point were she has asked for it for her birthday... Just so I can steal it sometimes for myself!
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    Default Re: Male 'female fragrance wearers'......be honest

    Quote Originally Posted by Pollux View Post
    As PetrucciJ said, scents don't have genitalia, and MikePerez dixit, your pee pee won't fall off if you wear a female scent. So gender does not matter at all, it is all related to personal tastes.
    Did I say that? LOL

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