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    What I find interesting are several layers of change in the whole spectrum of gender identification in fragrances. For example, Black Orchid and Sycomore have been taken up by men to such an extend that their brands have been altered (last week I was in Neiman Marcus and they actually stocked Black Orchid in the men's section along with Tom Ford's other men's fragrances). I was taught in marketing that this almost never happens: women often adapt men's products, but not the other way around.

    Women often wear men's fragrances but they seem not to be converting them into "women's" fragrances or to be seriously shifting their brand identities. Meanwhile, what is popular in men's fragrances these days is way over the line of what have been considered feminine forty years ago and what once was considered properly masculine (e.g., Old Spice, English Leather) is just dismissed as disgusting, having fallen off the spectrum at the other end.

    Presumably there are all sorts of cultural associations with different scents, along with different ideas of what masculine and feminine mean, lying behind this.

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    Womanity smells better on me than on the women I have smelled it on... Why? Because I'm twice the man you will ever be and twice the woman you'll ever have! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThingy View Post
    I experienced a huge difference in smells of women and men. There is an uncertainty of course. As a heterosexual man I'm fond of females smell and barely sniff at a boys neck - You know what I mean. But, few 'female' frags seem to be appropriate to connect to my personal body odor, and too I don't like male frags on women.

    My current partner could wear: Piguet - Fracas, Balmain - Vent Vert, Givenchy III, YSL - Y. But I hate perfume on girls I like to ****, honestly. I'm totally o/k with the full olfactory spectrum of natural secretions ;-)
    Keep in mind that a good number of members on this forum are women--who wear fragrances.

    I am glad I am not your woman.

    I am totally loving Spicebomb--grenade bottle and all.
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    @BurgundyMarsh I agree this is an interesting phenomenon. I learned yesterday that Black Orchid is now marketed a unisex scent here in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverbm View Post
    @BurgundyMarsh I agree this is an interesting phenomenon. I learned yesterday that Black Orchid is now marketed a unisex scent here in Australia.
    I all depends on how they market it.

    In many Sephora stores, Black Orchid is still in the women's section, while Tom Ford for Men is the only one in the men's section.

    The White Patchouli is also now considered a unisex.
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    This topic seems to fascinate a lot of men on these boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    This topic seems to fascinate a lot of men on these boards.
    ...and it's been hammered into the ground, mrclmind. I guess it's a subject I never got too much into, seeing how I just wore what I liked.

    Heck, my father would always give me a spray of what he was wearing!
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    Premier Figuier Extreme by L'Artisan Parfumeur - Upon application, one is pleasantly treated to the sweetish greenness of fig leaves coupled with the coconutty floral of gorse flowers. This fascinating duet percolates a bit before segueing to the waiting middle. Here, in the aborning heart, a wondrous blend of galbanum, with its sour green and somewhat stemmy facets, ivy, with its pert and slightly savory character, almond milk, with its gloppy and nutty features, as well as sandalwood, with its creamy and spicy trait, gives rise to an illusion of budding figs, abounding with milky sap. Transitioning to the enhancing base, the swollen delectability of tree-ripened figs comes to fruition. A redolent, dried fruit accord, with elements of plums, apricots and peaches, commingles with the strong, camphor smell of stone pine. A hint of creamy, coconut milk flutters about to seal the illusion. A delightsome drydown ensues. This wonderful, all-season scent has good longevity, and, after an hour of radiating projection, settles to a skin scent. A truly awesome composition, it leans to the masculine side.

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    Default Re: Female fragrances that really should be men's...

    As said before, 'all fragrances to anyone', but IMO there is a pair of female-marketed perfumes to my nose stay better at male skin: Tom Ford Black Orchid & Chanel Nº 19 EDT

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    I really don´t believe at all in marketing strategies and social conventions. I have never understood why some fragrances are restricted to some people... but well...
    When I first smelt Black Orchid, I definitely thought it was marketed for men.
    And I have got Gres - Cabochard here and it´s so beautiful!
    Versace´s Crystal Noir is not a masterpiece and rather synthetic but it does make a very comforting whiteish - floralish fragrance that smells great! Very sexy on either a man or a woman!
    Chanel Nº 19, needs no introduction, its an original Chanel, what can I say? Green, galbanum, some leather in there... a true masterpiece! The EDT version though...
    I´ve also got Cacharel´s Lou Lou which is a very strong very unique spicy - sweet oriental which immediately takes me away to a spice market somewhere in "candy-floss" Mumbai!
    And just to point out why I think scents dont have a gender; Narciso Rodriguez For Him Musc could have easily been sold as a female perfume. The Dreamer by Versace is right on the edge of what people consider femenine/masculine from my point of view...
    It all depends on how you view things. But I will tell you something, if you throw away social ideologies and try any type of fragrance you will gain a lot!

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    Ispahan by Yves Rocher
    Bvlgari Jasmin Noir
    Currently wearing: Zara Man Gold by Zara

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    Bottega Veneta - perhaps not a "should be a masculine" but definitely should be unisex.

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    The last time I was in Sephora they had Tom Ford for Men AND Tom Ford Grey Vetiver. I didn't look for Black Orchid, it may have been in the women's section. Black Orchid was definitely in the MEN'S section of Neiman Marcus in Boston (it's on a different floor from the women's department) on a shelf with other Tom Ford scents (they had an excellent selection). My guess is that men had been asking for it there. Both the men's fragrance selection and the clerk were quite sophisticated, unlike those other department stores and perfume shops.
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    Gender switching is a significant topic in marketing, as companies often want to expand a successful gendered product to both genders, potentially doubling sales. The switch from female to male, though, is considered next to impossible. There is a classic business school case study of Marlboro cigarettes, cited as one of the very few cases where marketing was able successfully to switch the target gender of a women's product to men. Marlboro was developed as a high-end women's brand, presumably named for the first Duchess of Marlborough (the name probably was supposed to have aristocratic British associations). When the brand bombed, the advertisers came up with the Marlboro Man and made the brand a huge success. It was male identified but also more popular with women than it had been as a women's product. Now Black Orchid makes the same switch with no apparent effort from the marketers. I wonder what the marketing profs are saying about this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgundyMarsh View Post
    Gender switching is a significant topic in marketing, as companies often want to expand a successful gendered product to both genders, potentially doubling sales. The switch from female to male, though, is considered next to impossible. There is a classic case study of Marlboro cigarettes, cited as one of the very few cases where marketing was able successfully to switch the target gender of a product. Marlboro was originally developed as a high-end women's brand, presumably named for the first Duchess of Marlborough, the name has those aristocratic British associations. When the brand bombed, the advertisers came up with the Marlboro Man and made the brand a huge success. Now Black Orchid makes the switch with no apparent effort from the marketers. I wonder what the marketing profs are saying about this one?
    Very true on this observation. Think of the Chesterfield brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racuda View Post
    I am surprised that no one has mentioned Chergui.
    Why ?
    Is it a femme ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Heck, my father would always give me a spray of what he was wearing!
    AND SHE NEVER RECOVERED!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugandaraja View Post
    AND SHE NEVER RECOVERED!

    LOL! Suga, and look how I wound up here!
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    Guys just wear what you like but leave me my Sycomore!

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    Alexander McQueen's Kingdom

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    This topic seems to fascinate a lot of men on these boards.
    Perhaps it's like wearing a pair of women's panties.

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    Surprised Paloma Picasso's Paloma Picasso hasn't been mentioned yet.

    The edt more so than the edp, unless you happen to like a sweeter drydown (and more aldehydes).

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by bejahu View Post
    Alexander McQueen's Kingdom
    For that matter, men can wear My Queen, a violet with heavy patchouli.
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    I really like to wear Laguna and Laguna Maravilla, by Salvador Dali, in the summer!
    And, since Angel isn't the same anymore, I like to layer some Body Shop Patchouli oil with Angel on top!
    It brings the Original Angel to the masculine side! Try it!

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    Aromatics Elixir always gave me the impression of being a bit more masculine
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    racine's une folie de roses feels like a masculine rose to me, like VdR. It should at least be unisex.

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    Sarah Jessica Parker Lovely smells better on my BF

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    I love and wear Jicky and Shalimar often, but I wouldn't say that they should be men's. Unisex, absolutely, but they're not overtly masculine.

    On the other hand, I, too, find L de Lolita Lempicka to be a very masculine scent.




    Edited to add: But I sure would love to smell it on a woman.
    Last edited by MarkStar; 11th March 2012 at 10:03 AM.
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    Byredo - Bal d'Afrique

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