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    Hi all,

    Today, I ordered 5 ESSENTIAL OILS from www.emsplace.com along with JOJOBA Oil (as a carrier) and some supplies. Why...well...I just want to PLAY! I plan to EXPERIMENT using the OILS to create SIMPLE (and maybe some not so simple) fragrances by combining 100% VODKA and ESSENTIAL OIL(S) to make PERFUME like sprays. I also plan on mixing OIL(S) with the "CARRIER" JOJOBA oil to make a home made PERFUME OIL. The following is a list of the ESSENTIAL OILS that I will first be using to experiment : SANDALWOOD, PATCHOULI, LAVENDER, PIPER NIGRUM (BLACK PEPPER) and NEROLI. I am open to suggestions as to which OILS might blend nicely together. As I understand...ALL the above OILS can pretty much be used in SOME combination together. For example...I figure...PATCHOULI with LAVENDER might work together nicely! Perhaps adding a bit of PIPER NIGRUM to to PATCHOULI/LAVENDER will KICK IT UP a notch! At any rate...I HOPE this will work out and be FUN!

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    Good to hear! I'm doing the *same, I plan on making a perfume for my girlfriend for christmas, and tinkering around a bit for myself!

    Edit: Where are you ordering your glassware to store your fragrances in?

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    Default Re: ESSENTIAL OILS from EMS. *Gonna make my own s

    Sounds like fun!
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    Hi guys,

    Yea...I think it will be FUN! Glad to see I am not alone attempting this project.
    Mad...to answer your question, I ordered just a few small .25 oz. brown vials/bottles and glass droppers from EMSPLACE just to get me started. I am glad that you mentioned about the HARDWARE as I forgot to request from our members SOURCES for such materials. I sure would appreciate information as to where one could buy (on line) glass vials/bottles, sprayers, droppers, wands, MIXING and MEASURING gear etc.

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    Default Re: ESSENTIAL OILS from EMS. *Gonna make my own s

    Six, what brand of vodka do you plan on using?
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    Hi CJ,

    Ummmm....good question! I suppose something DECENT and...HOPEFULLY on sale! Any suggestions ?

    SixCats!

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    Default Re: ESSENTIAL OILS from EMS. *Gonna make my own s

    Well, I was just wondering what the difference would be between mixing w/ vodka or mixing w/ say rubbing alcohol. And unfortunately the only experience w/ vodka is drinking it instead of mixing it for cologne/perfume .
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    You shouldn't use rubbing alcohol, as it is denatured and has a smell of it's own. Frankly I'd recomend Everclear over Vodka, then filter it through a Brita filter if you have one. Three or four fast passes through and it should be even more pure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixCats
    Hi CJ,

    Ummmm....good question! I suppose something DECENT and...HOPEFULLY on sale! Any suggestions ?

    SixCats!

    I LOVE this guy!!!

    Tom, don't use Vodka. Vodka is generally more expensive than perfumeurs alcohol, at least any Vodka that is worth buying. I use this perfumers alcohol:

    http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/perfume.html

    I need to start practicing blending more. I have been slacking :-(

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    Julian,

    My young friend...you never cease to AMAZE me! Man...if I had be as SHARP as you at your age lol...I'd be PRESIDENT by now! Thanks for the WONDERFUL link!

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    SixCats - Check this post out for glass bottles and atomizers - http://www.basenotes.net/community/Y...num=1120691038

    I did alot of searching and most of the sites recommended are excellent.

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    I think you will find that you can really come up with some great compilations if you expirement with variour ratios of essential oils to create chords. For example (Amber resin, benzoin , and patchouly ) make a nice warm woody basenote. Ive created many fragrances over the last 10 years . Many of them imo great but many more that didnt work out at all. Sometimes you wont know just how the longevity or the drydown is really going to develope until at least a month after bottling. Also, you will have to use a generous ammount of essential oils to get a truly tenacious scent that doesnt fade after a few hours. Dont be surprized if you initial results smell great out of the bottle but fade rather quickly. There is practically no way to create a fragrance using just essential oils that last like commercial fragrances do. Almost every fragrance created commercially uses synthetic derivatives to give the fragrance longevity. Dont be fooled by looking at the ( note pyramids ) in the basenote directory and think thats all thats in a particular fragrance. There is probablly 3 to 5 x that in aroma chemicals in there that are not readily available to the general public. But not to worry. You can create some truly nice scents using pure essential oils with a small percentage of carrier oils. Remember, thats how almost all fragrances were created up to the point when Chanel #5 was developed, which I believe to be the upitome of an aldehydic woody floral hands down. So get to it EMS and create some winners. It has been said that perfumery is 90% Imagination and 10% uhhhh something else but I forget now. Anyway.... go for it ! P.S Everclear WORKS BETER THAN VODKA [smiley=grin.gif]

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    Hi all,

    Smellitnow...thank you for you excellent comments! You bring up SEVERAL excellent points! I certainly have NO illusions of GRANDEUR attempting to create (re: play/experiment) a wearable fragrance(s). I am QUICKLY begining to see just how INVOLVED this NEW hobby can become! That being said...I plan to start slooooowy and continue to EDUCATED myself in this endeavour. JDTX...thank you for the link! Mad...thanks for you suggestion as well. I have ALREADY learned a LOT of new information in the last twelve hours thanks to all of you!

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    I'm just starting to do this as well. One thing that i've found is quite handy is keeping a spreadsheet of all of the various combinations of scents you try, along with the precise # of drops of each and such.
    My spreadsheet has the following categories

    Oil 1 * #of drops * Oil 2 *#drops *Oil 3 *#drops *Mix method *Perceived tone *Add'l characteristics
    ----- * ----------- * ----- *--------- *----- *------- * ------------- * ---------------- * -----------------------


    Perceived * * * 1-100 rating
    use for this * * for perceived
    blend * * * * * * use
    ------------ * * -----------------



    Mix method defines what kind of oil it was mixed with and the amount of dilution (if any). Also, I occasionally mix oils for aromatherapy uses. When doing so I'll still record the results in my spreadsheet, and just put "water diffuser" for mix method.

    Perceived tone is where I feel the particular combination would fit in a blend. This is not always evident by the ingredients used. A base note may be lifted to a low middle note with the inclusion of a new oil, for instance. It's good to note the perceived tone.

    Add'l Characteristics is where I put all of my subjective notes and opinions regarding the combination.

    Perceived use for this blend is what where I note what I imagine this blend is good for. For instance,for a mix of 1 part cinnamon to 3 parts patchouli I have "a nice round, energizing middle note" in this category.

    Lastly, the 1-100 rating. This isn't necessary but I know it helps me categorize and recall what worked and didn't. Remember the rating is not just how much you like it, but how well you think it would do for it's perceived use. Lets say you have a note who's perceived use is a middle note (as the cinnamon and patchouli combo I noted is). Let's also say that the mix is indistinct and all of the smells blend together. Even if it smells good, you might put a low rating in the 1-100 area because you don't really want an indistinct middle note.

    Just a few thoughts. So far this has worked for me - although I must admit I am just a beginner.

    ~Seth


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    Hi Seth,

    Wow...I think you are approaching this hobby in a GREAT way! I have already figured out that PAPER WORK is a HUGH part of doing this correctly! I am really going to have to take my time and start SIMPLE! I'll keep you posted. Thanks for you help Seth.

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    hey Sixcats,

    good for you- I hope all goes well for you. Your thread inspired me to start a new thread about buying aldehydes and synthetic molecules from places like Firmenich and IFF etc. I really want to start doing this myself, but I think the really good stuff lies in synthetics. Although its probably best to start with basics. I don't know if its ever crossed your mind, but you CAN buy specific molecules from these places... look at the websites...they have descriptions of each molecule and its properties. I think it would be cool to add some of these to a natural scent to give it that "lift" that they're always talking about. Any thought on this?

    Indie

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    Hi Indie,

    YIKES! This is getting more complicated ever time I turn around lol.
    Man...I plan to start SIMPLE...and I mean verrrry SIMPLE! First, I've got to get some books on this subject, take my time and do this right! I have been spending HOURS researching ALL types of information. Tonight for instance, I tried to find the BASIC make up (notes) of several of my favorite Colognes. The following : SANDALWOOD, PATCHOULI, VETIVER, CEDARWOOD, LAVENDER, TOBACCO, LEATHER, CITRUS, INCENSE, OAKMOSS, CLOVE, BERGAMOT, GINGER, BLACK PEPPER, CYPRESS, AMBRE ROSEWOOD, AMBERGRIS, NUTMEG, etc. are some of the notes that appear in my top favorites fragrances...TABAROME, ACQUA DI CUBA, KOUROS, LV VETIVER, TAM DAO, TRUSSARDI UOMO, BOIS DU PORTUGAL, etc. So...these NOTES will be SOME of the ESSENTIAL OILS I will experiment with first. I really do NOT want to use synthetics! I want to make my fragrances as PURE as I can.

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    I know your taste in frags Six, and I'm curious to see what you'll come up with. However I'm pretty sure that using synthetics will not make your scent any less pure. I'd wager that Kouros is full of synthetics such as Eugenol and Limonene. New molecules are being discovered all the time. You can actually SMELL SOMETHING NEW FOR THE FIRST TIME. Put this up against vision. You can see something for the first time, but you can't see new colors. All the colors you're capable of seeing...you've already seen. With smells...somebody in a white lab coat can whip up a new molecule that smells like nothing you've ever experienced. I find that pretty darn exciting. The downside is that some of these molecules may be toxic, but that doesn't affect the primary thrill of experiencing something new.

    And when fragrance companies list notes of a pyramid, they want to sound romantic and all. So they might say "fresh cut grass" rather than say cis 3-hexanol (or whatever) and one might get the impression that all the John Deere riding mowers in Grasse are dumping the fresh cut grass into giant distilling machines to extract the essence, when that is not the case. Its a simple , synthetic chemical. I, for one, have embraced the notion that a synthesized chemical in a vial may be more pure than anything crudely drawn laboriously from the sagging teat of nature.

    I've been drinking. [smiley=beer.gif]

    Keep me posted SIX! And good luck!

    Indie

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    Hi Indie,

    Will do my friend...I'll keep ya'll posted. Today, I checked out some E.O.'s and a E.O. Cologne! Man...if the information is to be believed, there were only FOUR Oils and a CARRIER (unknow to me as I forgot my reading glasses). At any rate...FANTASTIC! I thought to myself...DAMN...I CAN do this myself! My God...this E.O. Cologne was EARTHY and....heck....about as good as certain LV's or MPG's! I kid you not! Sure...it's going to cost a bit of money to get STARTED and up and running but....I'll have a EXCELLENT Winter project! Talk to ya soon.

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    I'll bet its a real juggernaut!

    wink wink, nudge nudge say no more!

    KEEP US POSTED

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    LOL..."I told you once".
    "No you didn't".
    "Yes I did!".

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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    Six,

    A few months ago, i went to the library and got some books myself on the subject of frags; the science and the art. It was hard to find some of the stuff and most of it was really old (talking about musk deer and the like). I read Mandy Aftel's book on natural perfumery. It was a very good book. Interesting anecdotes on the the historical perspective of perfumery, sex and all that. A bit limiting in terms of eschewing synthetics, but nevertheless a good primer. I also snagged some books on simple organic chemistry just to refresh myself. In high school, I was TERRIBLE at chemistry, however when we studied organic chemistry, it clicked for me, while the rest of the class struggled. So I tried to catch up a bit on all that stuff.

    There are some good books out there if you go to a library and really dig.

    have fun!

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    Have a look at http://www.perfumersworld.com/ in the software section, they have a great application called The Perfumer's Workbook that is really handy for keeping track of your experiments.
    It has a visual (pie chart) prediction of what will happen to the fragrance over time - you move the slider back and forth and you can watch the top notes dissapearing and the base notes becoming more prominent etc.

    It also has some built in recipes for common fragrances to get you started. I have found it very useful, and I really must find the time to get back into this stuff, it really is good fun.

    good luck and please post any good combinations you come up with.


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    Hi guys,

    Thank you both very much for you suggestions. Indie...I have recently just learned of the AFTEL book you mentioned. I will have to search hard as it is now out of print. Mark...WELCOME TO THE MADNESS! Thank you for providing me with the link! I am NOW going to check it out!

    Regards,
    SixCats!

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