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    Default Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    I've read this so many times, about how benzoin smells like vanilla. Not true! If anything, amber (not ambergris which is totally different than amber) smells sweet like vanilla is sweet, but even it doesn't smell *like* vanilla . Benzoin is resinous and there's nothing else smells like it. I have both distilled pure benzoin essential oil and pure benzoin incense rocks, and if anything it's a slightly medicinal, resinous odor along the lines of copal. Just wanted to clarify this.

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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    Benzoin
    A-EO-BEN


    BENZOIN (STRYAX BENZOIN)


    Description
    * ÊBenzoin is found in Thailand, Java and Sumatra. Resin is taken out of the tree manually, as it does not flow out naturally as it does out of our Maples. It smells like vanilla and is sweet and pleasant. It is a base note.


    Extraction Method
    * ÊTriangular slashes are made into the bark to make the sap ooze out. The resin is then pressed into a solid mass and melted over water before it can be used.
    * ÊSome benzoin can be purchased with ethyl glycol added to make it easier to work with.


    Chemical Properties
    * ÊMost of it is resin alone. Others are vanillin (aldehyde ö thus the aroma), benzyl benzoate (ester), benzoic acid, cinnamic acid, benzoic aldehyde, phenyl, and ethylene and phenyl propylic alcohol.


    But i think in Pi, the Benzoin is mixed with something else that made vanilla stronger, probably vanilla itself, who knows, although it doesn't states that Pi contains vanilla, i think it does somewhat. ;D







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    Hmmm... I was under the impression that benzoin was rather prominent in Fahrenheit, I thought I had pinned down the part in the scent that was benzoin. This doesn«t smell like vanilla at all to my nose, Am i wrong? Could we have more opinions on this elusive note?

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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    While it may contain vanillin as a chemical property, the odor is nothing like vanilla. It's very resinous. Try some distilled Benzoin oil sometime, or get some Benzoin crystal incense, I think you'll be surprised, as it's not really sweet at all!


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    Be very careful with undiluted Benzoin oil though, it's very thick and can get sticky.

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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    thanks, i collect perfume oils, but i cant find the benzoin oil, i will go to the store again and ask them to order some benzoin for me. But i do think that benzoin has to interact with something else to make its vanillic aroma stand out, cant put my finger on it though, i'm no chemist. Thanks for the info, i'm pretty much interested in this perfume-making thing, still in my studying stage. ;D

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    You can also check The Good Scents Company for the various benzoin odor descriptions.

    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/

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    I am VERY glad this topic came up.

    They are very different. I have a large bottle of Benzoin Resinoid.

    Great topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HackerX
    But i think in Pi, the Benzoin is mixed with something else that made vanilla stronger, probably vanilla itself, who knows, although it doesn't states that Pi contains vanilla, i think it does somewhat. ;D





    Pi contains vanilla... lots of it. Vanilla *IS* the dominant note in Pi, not Benzoin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anthem81
    I've read this so many times, about how benzoin smells like vanilla. Not true! If anything, amber (not ambergris which is totally different than amber) smells sweet like vanilla is sweet, but even it doesn't smell *like* vanilla . Benzoin is resinous and there's nothing else smells like it. I have both distilled pure benzoin essential oil and pure benzoin incense rocks, and if anything it's a slightly medicinal, resinous odor along the lines of copal. Just wanted to clarify this.

    I think people associate Benzoin with medicine because of Tincture of Benzoin, which helps tape adhere to the skin. A lot of medical facilities still use this:

    http://www.yuccadune.com/product586.html

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    No it doesnt smell like vanilla extract.
    However, if you smell pure vanilla essential oil there are some similarities but only with the top note.
    The dry down of both is totally different. Benzoin is fairly medicinal smelling at the finish while vanilla is more of a musky spicy sweet fragrance.
    Benzoin is much less expensive than pure vanilla or amergris for that matter, so it is used quite often in the fragrance industry as a sweet warm bottom note to round the scent out.

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    Another cool thing is how positively rancid and raunchy pure ambergris is! It's almost stomach churning. LOL

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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    FYI- Benzoin is also found in Sander Background, Davidoff Relax, Habit Rouge, Hugo Dark Blue, Dupont Signature, Body Kouros, Romeo Gigli and Nino Cerutti.

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    i like the benzoin in Prada EDP . . . yummmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuigi
    FYI- Benzoin is also found in Sander Background, Davidoff Relax, Habit Rouge, Hugo Dark Blue, Dupont Signature, Body Kouros, Romeo Gigli and Nino Cerutti.
    And almost all Serge Lutens scents as well.
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    I have a bottle of benzoin oil (or resinoid rather) and to me it smells a little like vanilla, a little of cinnamon and a lot of something else that's quite unique. It has a sharpness to it that is hard to place. Not at all as rich-smelling as balsam of peru for example, which is more of an ambery, resinous vanilla

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    I have both benzoin and vanilla essential oils open right now. The vanilla smells like vanilla extract, a bit sweet and buttery, very slightly nutty, very slightly floral. The benzoin smells a bit heavier, resinous, darker, very slightly earthy. The benzoin almost seems a bit sweeter and stronger. Of course, they no doubt smell different on a person's skin, especially when "cut" with alcohol. Still, they do share some similar properties, to my nose. Bottom line...the benzoin seems more "earthy," the vanilla seems more "floral" in nature.

    I enjoy vanilla in one or two of my frags, but now that I'm starting to experiment with making my own, I'm using more benzoin than vanilla...it's great stuff! Nothing like that resinous quality.

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    Have read all the preceding posts with interest and agreement.
    Benzoin is a scent all its own.
    It's much warmer, heavier, less sweet and candied and somehow a bit crystalline in it's sensuality compared to vanilla.

    But I do notice that alot of people often say pure natural vanilla...
    While the natural vanilla is still used in many perfurmes, and food flavourings, like many other scents, vanilla really only shot to unbelievable heights when a synthetic, more intense 'clone' was created...

    What is one of the 5 great classics in French perfumery...?
    Shalimar for sure...
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    <Shalimar is one of the flagships of French perfumery. Travelling through time as only a classic does, it never dates and remains the epitome of oriental notes. Rumor has it that Jacques Guerlain created this perfume as a tribute to the legendary love story between Mumtaz Mahal and Emperor Chah Djahan in the Shalimar Gardens of Kashmir. In Sanskrit Shalimar means '' the home of love''. When Mumtaz Mahal died, died, the emperor was devastated and had a tomb built for the woman he had vowed to love unconditionally. The ''Taj Mahal'' was finished fourteen years later. Shalimar is also the first perfume to contain vanillin ethyl, an artificial molecule smelling like vanilla and marked by an overwhelming intensity. >

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    I am really excited to find this thread.

    For years, I have been trying to track down that one unique note in Farhenheit that I cannot name. I am hopeful that benzoin is it.

    Does anyone have a recommendation for a source for benzoin that is a good match for that one unique note in Farhenheit?

    I am starting to think I may also need to start collecting aldehydes and ketones. Anyone else getting that crazy idea?
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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    I have a tincture of actual Benzoin Extract.

    It is Resinous with a definite spicy character. The spicy cinnamon type aspect is the part I find missing from most discriptions of this resin.

    I would also say that it has a vanilla type smell, but would also not call it vanilla in any of my own discriptions. I would just say resinous and spicy.

    I also do not find it to be powdery in its pure form.

    I do love speaking for the trees.

    EDIT: While I am at it I will mention that I also have many other pure and natural extracts and oils of many popular notes in perfumery. I am always happy to help any of my friends with questions about these smells. I love to learn and if I can help others to do the same it would please me to do so.
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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    Quote Originally Posted by bettyrubble01730 View Post
    For years, I have been trying to track down that one unique note in Farhenheit that I cannot name. I am hopeful that benzoin is it.
    I'm 99% sure benzoin isn't the note you're smelling. I'd bet you're picking up on an accord - a combination of notes coming together in a unique way - and it could be anything.

    It would be helpful if you described what you're smelling in Fahrenheit so that we can help. Fahrenheit is a tricky one. It's a brilliant and complex scent that has been reformulated countless times in the last 30 years. It's still awesome stuff, even in its current version. Sometimes, when I wear it, I get a ton of gasoline. Other times, it smells very floral t me and I don't get the gasoline accord at all. Fahrenheit truly is a work of art, but it can be hard to pick apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yvan View Post
    I have both benzoin and vanilla essential oils open right now. The vanilla smells like vanilla extract, a bit sweet and buttery, very slightly nutty, very slightly floral. The benzoin smells a bit heavier, resinous, darker, very slightly earthy. The benzoin almost seems a bit sweeter and stronger. Of course, they no doubt smell different on a person's skin, especially when "cut" with alcohol. Still, they do share some similar properties, to my nose. Bottom line...the benzoin seems more "earthy," the vanilla seems more "floral" in nature.

    I enjoy vanilla in one or two of my frags, but now that I'm starting to experiment with making my own, I'm using more benzoin than vanilla...it's great stuff! Nothing like that resinous quality.
    Vanilla beans smell like dirt to some degree. I don't know what benzoine smells like, but from what you're describing, benzoine may be modeled after the smell of vanilla beans, which smells very different than vanilla extract.

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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    To me, benzoin resin smells like red pottery clay with a little spice.
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    Benzoin, along with labdanum and vanilla, are commonly used ingredients in a lot of amber accords found in perfumes.
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    Although most likely not in the slightest scientifically accurate - perceiving most of the fragrances personally tested/experienced which do contain this note as far closer to a very resinous, incense-like leather and if there might be some minimal hint of vanilla, then of a very dark, spicy and rather non sweet kind
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lorax View Post
    I would just say resinous and spicy.
    This is how I think of it also.
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    Default Re: Benzoin does *not* smell like vanilla

    Keep in mind, just because a fragrance lists benzoin as a note, it does not mean the fragrance contains benzoin.

    Notes are not ingredients.
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    I burn benzoin incense , and yes it does NOT smell anything like vanilla, it has some sweet overtones but its largely resinous , ambery and animalic. I would say MFK's APLS is the best example of that scent. Go to Indian grocery shops and looks for loban/sambrani resin or cups, its used extensively in Southern India from what I observed on a trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bettyrubble01730 View Post
    I am really excited to find this thread.

    For years, I have been trying to track down that one unique note in Farhenheit that I cannot name. I am hopeful that benzoin is it.

    Does anyone have a recommendation for a source for benzoin that is a good match for that one unique note in Farhenheit?

    I am starting to think I may also need to start collecting aldehydes and ketones. Anyone else getting that crazy idea?
    I need to start collecting opioids and amphetamines.
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    Hello L'Homme Blanc Individuel,

    Thank you for offering to help. After reading descriptions here of benzoin, it does not seem likely that is it is what I seek.

    I like to be really specific, and use words like citrus, or rose, or lily, or cinnamon, or incense, or cedar, but I am confounded by Fahrenheit. "That note" smells like nothing organic to me: no flower, food, spice, or wood. It is a bit sweet, but not like vanilla or amber. It is fresh but not in the way of oakmoss or other 'soapy' notes. It is almost metallic. It is not a main note/accord. It is like the most wonderful warm laundry smell ever--maybe even ozone is a close smell.

    I have to admit this is a fascination that goes back to 1987, to a little sample bottle of Esprit Sport cologne that my sister received as a freebie with an order of clothing. She took a whiff and tossed it to me. It was composed almost entirely of that one very artificial and slightly metallic note or accord.

    Everyone asked me what I was wearing. I couldn't get enough of it. When the bottle ran out, I wrote to Esprit and they told me it was discontinued, and (of course) they could not tell me where to find something like it.

    "That note" was also a part of one of Donna Karan's very earliest perfumes--I believe it was her earliest version of Cashmere Mist.

    Nowhere else have I encountered this note/accord. I am worried that it some artificial compound that is no longer made.

    I've been reading about how perfumes have changed over the years, due to regulations, expense, safety concerns, and perhaps other reasons. A lot of the fragrances my mother wore--Norell, Tabu, Aliage, and the older formulation of Chanel #5--are just not around anymore, at all.

    This saddens me. If I could get my hands on my mother's old fragrances, Esprit Sport, and a few more I haven't named, I would want to wear them.--maybe even if they were radioactive! So, maybe it is for the best.

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